What is Taijitu?

[Delfos]

didn't the Elutest dummies that were like 100 also CTE at that time?

[Funkadelia]

didn't the Elutest dummies that were like 100 also CTE at that time?

The last Elutest puppet nation to CTE was in 2014.

[St Oz]

I made a mistake in assuming I had the power to appoint as many citizen-liasons as I wanted. Whatever.

I realize the delegate doesn't have much power, but it was rather a strong urge to do what I could to make Taijitu better. The Citizen-Liason position was definitely a good idea on paper, but instead of promoting Taijitu's activity and facilitating things to do, it turned into a totally ignored position taken up by over enthusiastic citizens, over-worked citizens, and/or an inactive one.

Whatever the outcome up the position, at least I brought some conversation on the subject.

Don't get me wrong. I strongly urge you all to fix the problems that arise from the Citizen-Liason position. I strongly urge we get rid of the position and just name it as a civic duty to welcome newcomers. At the very least, make it more of a ceremonial position.

I have not been able to be very active as of late because I'm still settling into my new place, and I have extremely weird work hours. I apologize especially to all the people who count on me for the map to be updated. I'm working on getting back to some normalcy but please be patient (I don't have internet yet, let alone a fucking desk.)

I will keep the brand of Taijitu defender if that's what we wish, because I can see the benefit of picking a side, it brings in people, whatever. But wherever you go, we're going to Defend differently. We are not going to offer assistance, we're going to enlist. If you want Taijitu to be a GP player, stop half-assing it. Get people here, offer them positions in our army. If we need a new rank system to entice people, then propose it.

As for RP, let's concentrate on micro-rps and the RP discussions. We need a foundation, we keep thinking big but we're trying to build the pyramids of an RP group for fuck's sake. I'll calm my titties so that we can have more laid back roleplay that's both simple and character based. Like with the major GP player base, bring in people you like at other RP places and have them join there. Tell them that cunt St Oz calmed his tits and maybe that might bring them back.

But you know, otherwise, we'll die the slow death again, with just the close friends that we have. So get off your asses, don't vote for a citizen-liason, become one. I'm just waiting for my stupid comcast box so I can be active again and help make us not just a large region, but an active one once again.

So let's all apologize, whether you did something wrong or not. We've all got assholes for mouths and let's admit that (well except khem/wast, you guys are like chillbros). We all agree on one thing, making Taijitu great again, so if you're not part of that group, then you can get the fuck out, or I'll give you an ejection airline ticket straight to the moon. This is not an Oztatorship. This is democracy. This is Taijitu.

[Dyr Nasad]

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[bigbaldben]

I have not been posting for the past two to four months now, on purpose, to protest the growing sentiment that the 'fossils' are not necessary for Taijitu to function, well let's see about that.

Taijitu has fallen from 500 nations to 337 between August 15th and November 7th.
Taijitu has fallen from 984 posts in August, gradually to nearly half that in October, 557.
Taijitu has fallen from 33 new member in August to just 3 in October.

But no one batted an eyelash.

Bullshit.  I noticed, I said something, and I made efforts to fix it.  The number of new posts in the welcome thread dove noticeably, and I wondered aloud what had changed.  Shouldn't that have been the time to say something? Instead of sabotaging efforts in order to prove a point that I never disagreed with in the first place?

Members like myself and Myroria and Dyr have tried to help and we were met with an attitude like our contributions were not important because we were some old crones who were overbearing or too mired in our own thoughts or something like that. But it appears that we at least had some shred of accuracy to our suggestions. There have been a lot of times in the past six months that Taijitu has had the opportunity to stand out and has simply failed to. Even now, there are discussions about another NS World Fair and no one from Taijitu has offered to submit for a venue or discuss the possibility of Taijitu hosting the World Fair. I get the sense that everything's fallen to a shambles, and now we've elected a Delegate who has expressly told us he's simply going to ignore the laws...

I felt like I found a home here. Flawed and quirky as it may be. I tried to improve it, and I have found little help along the way, though I have asked for it at every turn.  I tried my best to balance moving ahead while being respectful to the past.

That's all well and good and I chose to spend that time here and was prepared to continue.

But with our forefathers, or founders, or whatever you like to be called ACTIVELY undermining my efforts in order to "teach someone a lesson?" 

I'll "waste" time and effort on a community that is struggling but trying to grow, but I won't waste it fighting against a bunch of asshurt, over sensitive control freaks.  Is that what you are?

If not, then what the fuck do you want me to do? In what capacity, your highnesses, can I help the community and please you at the same time?

Please tell me.  You guys come up with the ideas and I'll do precisely what you yell me to.  It's clear to me that I have been terribly, terribly misguided in my efforts to this point, and I seek redemption.

[AwesomeSaucer]

We are never going to become active the current direction we're going in.  The people on-site don't give a rat's ass about us, and that will never change.  The Mentor program won't help either; they'll just ignore the telegram and move on.

The Liaison position has been cancerous to the message of the revolutionary Taijitu.  It needs to be either reformed (severely nerfed) or just outright abolished.  When I was Liaison, I always thought I had the region in my own hands, and I could do anything I want with it.  Newbies are not going to understand the Liaison position, and your proof is literally right in front of you.

As much as we'd all like to be nostalgic and reminiscent of how great things were xxx years or months ago, we need to change.  If we want to move forwards with our community, we need to get people that truly care.  What does this mean?  It means that we need to make our forums known to those outside of NS, and to stop requiring NS membership for Citizenship.  We have the potential to be great, but unless we decide progress is more important that arguing, we're going nowhere.

[Khem]

So many shitty attitudes. I kind of want this thread renamed "Bitching about others". Enough negative BS. Positives, constructive dialogue, ideas about who we can be and how to get there; these are what we should focus on.

I agree with Oz that rather than attempting to build the pyramids of RP we should simply begin with the blocks, MicroRPs and discussions about our nations will definitely bring more spice to worldbuilding. As for community building I also have to agree that we should be seeking out people individually, bring the cool RPers here, bring democracy advocates, militia interested folk with whatever y'all do. Recruiting only does so much for us aside from making our region big, I'm going to instead focus on recruiting to the community rather than the onsite region.

[bigbaldben]

So many shitty attitudes.

Yes, my attitude is now shitty.  I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help.  So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.

You people aren't worth my time.

AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say.  Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk.  So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.

[Khem]

So many shitty attitudes.

Yes, my attitude is now shitty.  I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help.  So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.

You've done quite allot in my opinion and I hold you as one of our most valuable members, if it weren't for your input I think this forum might be ghost town status by this point. This is the first day on this forum that I've seen your attitude shift to a non-positive, know I hadn't been referring to you in particular.  When you've moved beyond feeling hurt by taking such accusations to mean yourself I am sure your contributions will continue to be part of the growth oriented activity which is the lifeblood of this region. I hope your mood improves and that your day is good to you. Looking forward to seeing such from others as well.

[AwesomeSaucer]

You people aren't worth my time.

AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say.  Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk.  So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.

Apologies.  I will take that clause out.

[Of The US]

So many shitty attitudes.

Yes, my attitude is now shitty.  I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help.  So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.

You people aren't worth my time.

BBB I want to say you are probably one of the more valuable members here(take that Oz) as it is some of the people who have been around for a while are set in their ways and nothing will convince them, but if we get in new people that changes things, the new people can be molded, the old people can not.

AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say.  Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk.  So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.

[Red Mones]

Every time we create a new thread something to deal with issues, it turns in to a heated argument,
where everybody is insulting each other. (I specifically blame Funk for this.) We never
get anything done when we propose these things as you can see:

http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/proposal-rewrite-all-officer-positions-then-hold-elections/

http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/a-master-proposal/

http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/let's-deal-with-the-inactivity!/

And now this very thread.

Did we change anything after these were proposed? No.

Yes, I agree with Khem, it should be named "Bitching about others".
Every time someone proposes something, specifically AwesomeSaucer, people just insult them, without even offering an alternative. How the fuck is is that supposed to solve anything?! Everybody needs to cut it the fuck out, and debate in a calm, sensible way. We need to ask ourselves what problems we have, think of a solution, post it, then we consider the other solutions. Point out what's wrong with other solutions, and provide alternatives in a calm, respectful manner. I know I will get attacked for this. If I'm wrong, tell me without insulting me.

[Wast]

So I was late to this, and I'm going to do the thing I hate most in forum discussions - respond to a number of disjoint conversations at once. I have more to say, but I'll post when I have more time.

On the Liaison issue (something we can actually resolve):

We've all got assholes for mouths and let's admit that (well except khem/wast, you guys are like chillbros).

I'm an asshole, too - I just edit my statements before I post them. And watch my signature for hours.

If people feel strongly about removing the Liaison position, that's fine. We can get rid of it - the Liaison was non-essential by design anyway. I was hopeful that it could be useful in giving legitimacy to a community organizer of sorts, but that hasn't worked very well. It's a bit harsh to call it cancerous - the curse that follows it has as much to do with circumstances as it does with the nature of the position itself.

So the Liaison position hasn't done us any good, we don't need it, and there's strong opposition. I think that's settled. There's details to discuss on that point (since the law still exists), but we can do that in another thread.

(Aside: I went back and read the law again, and AwesomeSaucer is right in that it is misleading to new members who wouldn't be aware of the context.)


On tension in the community (something I hope we can resolve):

As much as we'd all like to be nostalgic and reminiscent of how great things were xxx years or months ago, we need to change.  If we want to move forwards with our community, we need to get people that truly care.  What does this mean?  It means that we need to make our forums known to those outside of NS, and to stop requiring NS membership for Citizenship.  We have the potential to be great, but unless we decide progress is more important that arguing, we're going nowhere.

I can assure you that we are not operating in the blissful haze of nostalgia. Maybe in the case of the once-active RP. Taijitu has always had it's problems, and they've been endured more than they have been solved. The goal here is not to rebuild Taijitu in its past image, because that past image was just as fragile (if not more) as the one we have now. What you perceive as nostalgia is not so much clinging to a past ideal as clinging to the sense of community that kept people here in the first place - and if that seems wistful to you, it's because that's how memory is.

AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say.  Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk.  So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.

Apologies.  I will take that clause out.

Rather than just removing the statement, you may want to clarify what you said. The harshest words are gone but the sentiment is still there ('...people that truly care'). We're fishing for a little humility here.

So many shitty attitudes.

Yes, my attitude is now shitty.  I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help.  So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.

[...] When you've moved beyond feeling hurt by taking such accusations to mean yourself I am sure your contributions will continue to be part of the growth oriented activity which is the lifeblood of this region. I hope your mood improves and that your day is good to you. Looking forward to seeing such from others as well.

If I were actually active, I'd probably be incensed too. I appreciate the positivity, but there's substantive conflict behind the emotion here and now may not be the time to sweep that tension away and force a smile like the little sloth in my signature, who is probably terrified and desperately trying to escape its plastic prison.

[Red Mones]

And watch my signature for hours.

Haha, I do that too.

[AwesomeSaucer]

Clarify?  I was in a bad mood.  I know I say that a lot, but my life is in turmoil lately, and honestly, this doesn't help.

I am an extremely volatile person IRL, and I am trying my hardest to fix it.  This is just something that I've accepted, and I need you guys to as well.  Please understand that if I lash out on you for something, I may not be actually angry at you specifically, but instead for something else.

I agree with Red Mones that we need to try to stay sensible.  We all have conflicting ideas, and screaming will do nothing.