Taijitu
Government of Taijitu => The Ecclesia => Proposals and Discussion => Topic started by: bigbaldben on September 22, 2015, 08:53:52 PM
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I think the first question we need to address above all others is our...
wait for it ....
MISSION STATEMENT.
Why does Taijitu exist? We're more than a NS region, for sure. But what is our specialty? What are we above all else?
I don't think that we can separate Taijitu from worldbuilding and/or roleplay. We have a definite creative vibe here, which is awesome. But why else do people come here?
More to the point - why do we want people to come here? What are our strengths, or more to the point, what do we want our strengths to be?
It's a simple question, but I think it could help us move forward collectively if we were all working towards the same goal.
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Good thread. I'll get back to this.
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For me personally I really only care for two enduring aspects of our collective. Firstly our creative side is to me the absolute core of our identity, from our high standards to our integrational model of creative output. Secondly is our community, we've had a very strong core of people over the years who have dedicated an immense amount of time and energy not only into the GP or RP aspects of Taijitu but most of all to each other and I value our collective more than I could hope to express.
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For me personally I really only care for two enduring aspects of our collective. Firstly our creative side is to me the absolute core of our identity, from our high standards to our integrational model of creative output. Secondly is our community, we've had a very strong core of people over the years who have dedicated an immense amount of time and energy not only into the GP or RP aspects of Taijitu but most of all to each other and I value our collective more than I could hope to express.
This, could we give less shits about gameplay already, you all have consistently said "gameplay will revive this region" "gameplay will bring in so many people" "gameplay will bring in oldies and newbies!"
What's the truth in that? None. I think most people who are new to Taijitu come here for the reasons above. Creativity and Community.
Fuck Game play. You all have been burned by it and swear against it but then passes three days and you all are sticking the ballgag back in your mouths.
I say we return to our Neutrality origins, tell NS to go fuck themselves, and not get involved in any more bullshit, especially TNP. All the people interested in that shit anyways are abandoning taijitu for other more active gameplay regions anyway. So fuck it, neutrality and concentrate on he homefront.
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For me personally I really only care for two enduring aspects of our collective. Firstly our creative side is to me the absolute core of our identity, from our high standards to our integrational model of creative output. Secondly is our community, we've had a very strong core of people over the years who have dedicated an immense amount of time and energy not only into the GP or RP aspects of Taijitu but most of all to each other and I value our collective more than I could hope to express.
^ This. All of it. :heart:
The only reason I came back when the region was revived after being away for years is because I missed the people of Taijitu. It certainly wasn't for GP.
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You always come back even if your family is dysfunctional, has a drunk uncle, a foul-mouthed Portuguese cousin, hippies, republican-senators-wanna-bees, bigot lawyers and narcotic cream making enthusiasts.
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Such a lovable bunch of misanthropes ^_^
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oh and cat-loving enthusiasts that wear knitted vests with cats on them and are always talking about equations and random math problems.
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You always come back even if your family is dysfunctional, has a drunk uncle, a foul-mouthed Portuguese cousin, hippies, republican-senators-wanna-bees, bigot lawyers and narcotic cream making enthusiasts.
I hope I'm the drunk uncle! ;D
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Ok, so everything here I agree with and is what I thought.
"Taijitu is a creative writing and worldbuilding community that also happens to be a NationStates region."
Any dissension on this statement? Modifications?
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The virulent hatred for anyone participating in other regions isn't making me want to stick around. I have fun in TNP, and I think it's a fun community just like I think Taijitu is a fun community. But being insulted because I think somewhere else is fun too makes me value the fun I have here less. No one in TNP tells me I'm an idiot because I participate in Taijitu too.
EDIT: When I ran for Vice Delegate in TNP someone (I will not name names) said something to the effect of "Taijitu will really hate you for this". Why should a community that says it welcomes everyone spark that kind of comment from someone?
tl;dr if taijitu dies because some of us hang around elsewhere too thats not our damn fault
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Some regionalism can be helpful, but this angry version ... is less useful :P
I am not sure why we want to define ourselves so specifically - are we trying to change the welcome TG text? some other goal?
Taijitu means many things to different people. I am not an RPer, yet I have felt at home here for years. Let me know if that is going to change.
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Ok, so everything here I agree with and is what I thought.
"Taijitu is a creative writing and worldbuilding community that also happens to be a NationStates region."
Any dissension on this statement? Modifications?
Maybe this could work. "Taijitu: The first true online democracy. Propose, discuss, and vote on laws, chat on our IRC about whatever, participate in RP, and also check our NationStates!"
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Ok, so everything here I agree with and is what I thought.
"Taijitu is a creative writing and worldbuilding community that also happens to be a NationStates region."
Any dissension on this statement? Modifications?
Maybe this could work. "Taijitu: The first true online democracy. Propose, discuss, and vote on laws, chat on our IRC about whatever, participate in RP, and also check our NationStates!"
I really disagree with this idea because a lot of the workings of Taijitu, at their root, depend on the Nationstates region. Not only that, but that's the only "point of sale," so to speak, for Taijitu. Social media outreach is great, I guess, but I can't see it being all that fruitful.
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I've always thought of Taijitu as a more relaxed place, but that may just be because I'm familiar with it. I don't understand the hatred towards GP that some people express. It may not be as prominent as RP, but so long as participation in it is optional (which it has always been) there should be no reason why it can't be a part of the region. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with having people who hang around multiple regions. That's pretty common for NS.
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I'm not saying don't get involved in other regions, just don't bring their drama and events in the forum/irc rooms, it discourages other people from speaking and it's BORING. I couldn't care less how omg did you hear whit he say
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I am not so sure we need a mission statment. Different members will have a different view of what Taijitu is, and that is important if we are to stay a democracy. Live and let live!
For me personally I really only care for two enduring aspects of our collective. Firstly our creative side is to me the absolute core of our identity, from our high standards to our integrational model of creative output. Secondly is our community, we've had a very strong core of people over the years who have dedicated an immense amount of time and energy not only into the GP or RP aspects of Taijitu but most of all to each other and I value our collective more than I could hope to express.
I agree with Khem. I am not much into interaction with the other NationStates nations or regions, but that does not mean we can distance ourselves fom NationStates, since we are, after all, a product of that game.
I care for the people in here. You have given me a lot of interesting feedback and I have learned a lot since I joined Taijitu. some of you I disagree with, but I am still very interested in your points of view. Some of you guys are amazingly creative and I just hope to be able to contribute more myself, so you don't see me as some kind of leach. My biggest problem is available time, which will continue to plague me.
Some regionalism can be helpful, but this angry version ... is less useful :P
I am not sure why we want to define ourselves so specifically - are we trying to change the welcome TG text? some other goal?
Taijitu means many things to different people. I am not an RPer, yet I have felt at home here for years. Let me know if that is going to change.
So, I also agree with this. Live and let live!
Good example:
The virulent hatred for anyone participating in other regions isn't making me want to stick around. I have fun in TNP, and I think it's a fun community just like I think Taijitu is a fun community. But being insulted because I think somewhere else is fun too makes me value the fun I have here less. No one in TNP tells me I'm an idiot because I participate in Taijitu too.
There must be space for us all! Live end let live!
Long live the glorious revolution!
Long live Taijitu!
:tai: :tai: :tai: :tai: :tai: :tai: :tai: :tai:
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The virulent hatred for anyone participating in other regions isn't making me want to stick around...
tl;dr if taijitu dies because some of us hang around elsewhere too thats not our damn fault
Some regionalism can be helpful, but this angry version ... is less useful :P
I am not sure why we want to define ourselves so specifically - are we trying to change the welcome TG text? some other goal?
Taijitu means many things to different people. I am not an RPer, yet I have felt at home here for years. Let me know if that is going to change.
Rather than try to put the well-said comments above in my own words: ^ agreed to all!
I don't understand the hatred towards GP that some people express. It may not be as prominent as RP, but so long as participation in it is optional (which it has always been) there should be no reason why it can't be a part of the region. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with having people who hang around multiple regions. That's pretty common for NS.
Yup yup. I may not enjoy GP nor get active in other regions but I see no reason to object to others doing so. In fact, it keeps us connected to the larger NS world and I appreciate that. No one has ever given me a hard time for not GPing, either.
There's every reason to support NSers of all stripes, IMHO. It can only help us recruit new members and promote more activity, which is the main goal of all these related discussions [unless I totally misinterpret some people's comments (which is aways possible)]. Some users are only going to be interested in regions that get involved in a particular activity, GP or RP or whatever, so why not let everyone have fun in the game as they prefer?
I care for the people in here. You have given me a lot of interesting feedback and I have learned a lot since I joined Taijitu. some of you I disagree with, but I am still very interested in your points of view.
EDIT: Whoops, missed a post! I definitely feel the same way. Even if discussions get heated sometimes, it's good to be exposed to opposing ideas. Some of you have changed my mind on more than one occasion.
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Some regionalism can be helpful, but this angry version ... is less useful :P
I am not sure why we want to define ourselves so specifically - are we trying to change the welcome TG text? some other goal?
Taijitu means many things to different people. I am not an RPer, yet I have felt at home here for years. Let me know if that is going to change.
This is exactly how I feel.
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On GP, I'm really sorry, but it needs to stay on the forum. Why? We are the ONLY popular DD in NS. Our system needs some off-site political interaction in some way. NS GP, however? I couldn't care less.
Speaking of which, I don't think we should ever completely separate from NS. We still have a huge in-site community that we couldn't simply let go. However, maybe we could try not making it a requirement, and see where that takes us.
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On GP, I'm really sorry, but it needs to stay on the forum. Why? We are the ONLY popular DD in NS. Our system needs some off-site political interaction in some way. NS GP, however? I couldn't care less.
Why do you view discussing GP outside of the forum as bad, though? How does it actually negatively affect the parts of the region or the game that you wish to promote? Just because you personally don't care doesn't mean we should ban the subject except on the forum. I mean... censorship? Are you really pushing that idea?
People talk about all sorts of stuff on IRC, for example. It's better for newbs to see people chatting about GP than utter silence. GP talk doesn't preclude discussion of other subjects. I've seen 2-3 different conversations going on in the same channel a number of times.
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There's no way to limit what people can talk about and expand activity at the same time.
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On GP, I'm really sorry, but it needs to stay on the forum. Why? We are the ONLY popular DD in NS. Our system needs some off-site political interaction in some way. NS GP, however? I couldn't care less.
Why do you view discussing GP outside of the forum as bad, though? How does it actually negatively affect the parts of the region or the game that you wish to promote? Just because you personally don't care doesn't mean we should ban the subject except on the forum. I mean... censorship? Are you really pushing that idea?
People talk about all sorts of stuff on IRC, for example. It's better for newbs to see people chatting about GP than utter silence. GP talk doesn't preclude discussion of other subjects. I've seen 2-3 different conversations going on in the same channel a number of times.
Oh, I don't. I just don't really care one way or another. I'm just pushing that on-forum GP should continue. :)
Edit: Ah, my wording was off. I didn't mean that GP should ONLY be on the Forum (as I can accept you interpreted), but that forum GP should continue. Pardon my language.
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Ok, awesome responses and conversation! I am bummed that work is all-consuming this week so I can't jump in here during the day. Always happens that way!
My initial question was based around how we want to market ourselves. Yeah, I know, business jargon, but if we don't all have the same idea, then as a community we're going to be less effective in our plans to get people to STAY, I think. What is our hook?
Again, as I've said in other threads, NS is getting people HERE. So it would be suicide to cut off that pipeline. How do we get them to stay? I wholeheartedly embrace this being a place of different people here for different reasons. Hey, remember my "how do you Taijitu?" ad??!? :D
I don't like GP, but I fully support those who do! There should always be a place here for them just like the RPers and WBers and shoot-the-shitters. But that's difficult to market - difficult to sell. It's generic, and I think hard to get excited about unless, like some of us newer folks, you really dive in and commit. But I think we all agree that forum activity here is what we need to increase.
So is there any way GPers can increase activities here on the forum? I honestly don't know the answer to that b/c I don't know GP.
I guess I could just focus on what I like here and try to market it that way some how, but it seems less effective than all of us joining forces.
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I don't have any overt feelings for or against gameplay (I hardly know what it means in this context), but what got me to join Taijitu was always worldbuilding. That and the people in chat could be really swell most times.
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In my head, Taijitu was always supposed to be open and inclusive.
Whether to continue to be such is of course a community decision, but so long as I have a vote it'll be for inclusiveness and against banning gameplay, roleplay, WA play, or any other category of NS play.
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In my head, Taijitu was always supposed to be open and inclusive.
Whether to continue to be such is of course a community decision, but so long as I have a vote it'll be for inclusiveness and against banning gameplay, roleplay, WA play, or any other category of NS play.
This ^^^^
That will be at least two votes then.
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In my head, Taijitu was always supposed to be open and inclusive.
Whether to continue to be such is of course a community decision, but so long as I have a vote it'll be for inclusiveness and against banning gameplay, roleplay, WA play, or any other category of NS play.
Yes, I can get behind this.
Three votes then.
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Perhaps as one of the "old timers" I can shed some light on this.
Taijitu started out as simply.. a place where you can say what you think without a drunken idiot banning you. For real. That's how we started because that was what happened to us.
Now, even at my most autocratic, I never began banning people. I simply played a role that at the time encouraged some people to get off their collective arses and give a shit about something.
Since then, the region has grown, and fallen, and grown again, and fallen again and grown again.. etc. Taijitu has changed. Some of it for the better. Some of it imho.. not so much. But you take the good with the bad. What I had said about a year ago was that if Taijitu were to be something that transcended NS itself, that we not drift away from the friends we make here, that we had to become more than just a region that had a litany of tedious laws and a stack of treaties. We had to be a true and real community.
I think Taijitu is well on its way to that. That being said though, it is -still- a region in NS. And there are going to be those who wish for the region to take a greater part in those types of things. Though I disagree with Elu's take on inter-regional affairs usually, I do agree with him that we should be inclusive of all forms of "gameplay", just while not losing sight that we are more than just a region.
So in short.
Community first.(yes this includes RP)
NS Gameplay second.
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While your post contains a lot of feel-goody platitudes, I think it fails to understand the basis of the entire region as a whole.
I really don't understand why people feel the need to egg on this ludicrous anti-gameplay or even anti-NS vitriol over the past several months.
With all due respect, Sovereign Dixie, you disappeared well over a year ago and hadn't been back since yesterday. I don't think you truly understand the struggles that the Taijitu community has been going through lately. "Community first, NS Gameplay second" truly does not make any sense. This entire regional culture and the in game region and all of its structures and offshoots are part of one Taijitu. You can't pretend that they are two entirely separate universes, because they are both integral aspects of the one Taijitu experience. In fact, how would NS Gameplay, from a Taijitu perspective, exist at all without Taijitu existing? The proposition is just silliness.
I have not been posting for the past two to four months now, on purpose, to protest the growing sentiment that the 'fossils' are not necessary for Taijitu to function, well let's see about that.
Taijitu has fallen from 500 nations to 337 between August 15th and November 7th.
Taijitu has fallen from 984 posts in August, gradually to nearly half that in October, 557.
Taijitu has fallen from 33 new member in August to just 3 in October.
But no one batted an eyelash. Members like myself and Myroria and Dyr have tried to help and we were met with an attitude like our contributions were not important because we were some old crones who were overbearing or too mired in our own thoughts or something like that. But it appears that we at least had some shred of accuracy to our suggestions. There have been a lot of times in the past six months that Taijitu has had the opportunity to stand out and has simply failed to. Even now, there are discussions about another NS World Fair and no one from Taijitu has offered to submit for a venue or discuss the possibility of Taijitu hosting the World Fair. I get the sense that everything's fallen to a shambles, and now we've elected a Delegate who has expressly told us he's simply going to ignore the laws that we fought so hard to overhaul and re-establish over the past year and a sergeant with no knowledge of how NS military works, and a willingness to raid which will most definitely get Taijitu banned and excluded from defender channels, and at the very least lose a trust that has been built up over years with defenders.
Perhaps this post should be split from the thread, and if another admin feels like it's necessary, then very well do so.
I just feel it necessary to finally put my two cents in because I am seeing things come to a head, and I feel it's important that we have a discussion on how we've failed and how to rebound before everything turns into 2012 Taijitu again. If I have to give you a history lesson, go ahead and ask because I know that at least 75% of you were not around when I had to carry the region on my back to help get it where it is today.
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That was an extremely well put together argument Funk. For once I'm easily able to see where GP is one side of our Taijitu. Don't worry about Oz attempting to dictate legal precedent via outdated info.
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While your post contains a lot of feel-goody platitudes, I think it fails to understand the basis of the entire region as a whole.
I really don't understand why people feel the need to egg on this ludicrous anti-gameplay or even anti-NS vitriol over the past several months.
Sometimes a little bit of optimism is a good thing. Also, nothing that I said was anti-NS or vitriolic.
With all due respect, Sovereign Dixie
...That always comes right before someone comes disrespectful....
you disappeared well over a year ago and hadn't been back since yesterday.
Yep. RL happens. Sorry it inconvenienced you.
I don't think you truly understand the struggles that the Taijitu community has been going through lately. "Community first, NS Gameplay second" truly does not make any sense. This entire regional culture and the in game region and all of its structures and offshoots are part of one Taijitu. You can't pretend that they are two entirely separate universes, because they are both integral aspects of the one Taijitu experience. In fact, how would NS Gameplay, from a Taijitu perspective, exist at all without Taijitu existing?
As far as me understanding the issues which the region is currently dealing with... Well, your entire post basically confirms that I do. A shrinking nation count, a lack of activity, conflicting opinions within the region regarding its stance (if any) on inter-regional affairs. Yeah, sounds about normal to me.
To categorise priorities is not a failing to adress the regions issues from a hollistic standpoint. Just like any political entity Taijitu needs to emphasize its strengths while working to overcome its weaknesses.
The proposition is just silliness.
If you views carry their own merit you should not have to assign terms such as "silliness" to opinions with which you disagree.
I have not been posting for the past two to four months now, on purpose, to protest the growing sentiment that the 'fossils' are not necessary for Taijitu to function, well let's see about that.
Ah, so you disappeared to, eh? Besides, the thing about fossils is one sentiment you've expressed that I can agree upon. But I'm far deeper in the strata than you are, for better or worse. *shrugs*
Taijitu has fallen from 500 nations to 337 between August 15th and November 7th.
Taijitu has fallen from 984 posts in August, gradually to nearly half that in October, 557.
Taijitu has fallen from 33 new member in August to just 3 in October.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. When interest falls, so do the numbers.
But no one batted an eyelash. Members like myself and Myroria and Dyr have tried to help and we were met with an attitude like our contributions were not important because we were some old crones who were overbearing or too mired in our own thoughts or something like that.
Yeah. I've been there and done that.
There have been a lot of times in the past six months that Taijitu has had the opportunity to stand out and has simply failed to. Even now, there are discussions about another NS World Fair and no one from Taijitu has offered to submit for a venue or discuss the possibility of Taijitu hosting the World Fair. I get the sense that everything's fallen to a shambles, and now we've elected a Delegate who has expressly told us he's simply going to ignore the laws that we fought so hard to overhaul and re-establish over the past year and a sergeant with no knowledge of how NS military works, and a willingness to raid which will most definitely get Taijitu banned and excluded from defender channels, and at the very least lose a trust that has been built up over years with defenders.
So here's what it seems to come down to. You don't like the methods of the elected delegate, and the views of the military contradict your own ideology. Well, shit happens. What it seems more like here is that you have an interest in keeping the region active on the inter-regional scene, and more importantly, falling in lock step with the organisations that you agree with.
I know that at least 75% of you were not around when I had to carry the region on my back to help get it where it is today.
Your humility is an inspiration to us all.
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the only real answer here is "What is Taijitu?" "Baby don't hurt me"
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That was an extremely well put together argument Funk.
Eh...not quite. Here's the main problem...
...and now we've elected a Delegate who has expressly told us he's simply going to ignore the laws that we fought so hard to overhaul and re-establish over the past year and a sergeant with no knowledge of how NS military works...
It is an impressive feat to both celebrate laws that establish a democratic process while also bemoaning the process itself in the same sentiment.
You're a good guy Funk, I like you a lot. I say that because I don't want this to come off any more harsh then is necessary.
It sounds like you're simply unhappy with who won a round of elections. Tough. You want democracy? Sometimes the people you don't like win.
Look, we've all put something into this region. We've all had a say in how its been run in the past. Taijitu isn't mine. It isn't Oz's. Or SD's. Or Myro's. Or OT's. Or Gulliver's. Or Elu's. Or yours. Or anyone else's. I know this will sound cliched, but it truly belongs to everyone whose ever stayed up late, writing a RP post or piece of regional legislation. It belongs to anyone who ever spent hours BSing with friends made here on IRC or Yahoo IM or AIM or MSN or Skype. It belongs to anyone who ever spent hours conducting a successful defensive campaign. Or, yes, anyone who ever had to wade through PMs and IRC logs to try and navigate an outburst of regional drama.
My point, Funk, is that your vision of Taijitu is not THE vision for Taijitu. No one's is. Everyone whose ever given to this region has a legitimate vision for it. And I suppose that's why we have a democracy. And Oz is the delegate. Again, I'm sorry if he's not who you wanted in that position, but it is what it is.
For all your talk about how certain people vanish (while admitting you've done the same) the fact is we keep coming back. If not for a love for the region we all had a hand in creating, if not to spend time with our friends we made because of it, then why?
:tai:
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I'm not going to muddy this entire thread over and respond line by line in kind, but you've (Sovereign Dixie) totally (unsurprisingly) misrepresented the point of my post.
I don't care if you're here or not, the difference to me is that you've just come back and are speaking from a position of authority on issues that you haven't had to confront yet in the current context.
The waffling about the pointless declaration that 'Taijitu should come first and not GP' still doesn't make any sense. "Nationstates gameplay" which, by definition, is participation in Taijitu, is Taijitu, so there's no way you can separate that. The point doesn't stand.
You totally misrepresented my entire post and instead made a glancing effort at simplifying my argument to something rudimentary. It does not "come down to" the fact that I "disagree with the methods" of the citizen delegate and the citizen sergeant. I do, of course, but I also meant that it is indicative of how we've fallen that that sort of activity is allowed to stand by the community, and also that the abandonment of perfectly functioning law because of one individual's disdain for it is destructive to the very ideals of the Revolution that we all hold dear as a core tenet to Taijitu.
I doubt you could name one "organization" that I agree with, much less explain why I would try to influence Taijitu in that manner. I am advocating following principles that we have held high as a region since the founding of the Revolutionary government, especially that of defending those who cannot defend themselves, which if you don't know (which I will excuse you if you don't, you've never experienced this government after all) has been something we have done for over a year. Your implied disdain for "keeping the region active on the inter-regional scene" is a bit funny especially since that's an important part of keeping any UCR relevant for any extended period of time.
And yes, I'm not shy to tell you that I had to pull the region behind me a few years ago when no one else would. I'm proud of it, and I'm not going to let it all go to waste now because some people don't like the "fossils." I doubt you'll find many people who would disagree with the assessment.
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I'm not going to muddy this entire thread over and respond line by line in kind, but you've (Sovereign Dixie) totally (unsurprisingly) misrepresented the point of my post.
I don't care if you're here or not, the difference to me is that you've just come back and are speaking from a position of authority on issues that you haven't had to confront yet in the current context.
The waffling about the pointless declaration that 'Taijitu should come first and not GP' still doesn't make any sense. "Nationstates gameplay" which, by definition, is participation in Taijitu, is Taijitu, so there's no way you can separate that. The point doesn't stand.
You totally misrepresented my entire post and instead made a glancing effort at simplifying my argument to something rudimentary. It does not "come down to" the fact that I "disagree with the methods" of the citizen delegate and the citizen sergeant. I do, of course, but I also meant that it is indicative of how we've fallen that that sort of activity is allowed to stand by the community, and also that the abandonment of perfectly functioning law because of one individual's disdain for it is destructive to the very ideals of the Revolution that we all hold dear as a core tenet to Taijitu.
I doubt you could name one "organization" that I agree with, much less explain why I would try to influence Taijitu in that manner. I am advocating following principles that we have held high as a region since the founding of the Revolutionary government, especially that of defending those who cannot defend themselves, which if you don't know (which I will excuse you if you don't, you've never experienced this government after all) has been something we have done for over a year. Your implied disdain for "keeping the region active on the inter-regional scene" is a bit funny especially since that's an important part of keeping any UCR relevant for any extended period of time.
And yes, I'm not shy to tell you that I had to pull the region behind me a few years ago when no one else would. I'm proud of it, and I'm not going to let it all go to waste now because some people don't like the "fossils." I doubt you'll find many people who would disagree with the assessment.
Ok. We'll ditch the line by line.
I never proclaimed to have any kind of authority. I was -participating- and then you come in with this patronizing tone that frankly was uninvited by anything that I said. And also, I never, once, expressed "disdain" for game play. I merely said that the community itself should be top priority. that was it.
Now. If you want to continue this discussion, I'll be on IRC.
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I'm not going to muddy this entire thread over and respond line by line in kind, but you've (Sovereign Dixie) totally (unsurprisingly) misrepresented the point of my post.
Perhaps try to be civil.
I don't care if you're here or not, the difference to me is that you've just come back and are speaking from a position of authority on issues that you haven't had to confront yet in the current context.
I've been playing NS since I was in high school. I now teach high school. I've been running with the same group of guys since then too. First in Lex and then here. The problems that seem to face Taijitu today have always been the problems facing Taijitu. Or any other number of regions, to be perfectly honest.
The waffling about the pointless declaration that 'Taijitu should come first and not GP' still doesn't make any sense. "Nationstates gameplay" which, by definition, is participation in Taijitu, is Taijitu, so there's no way you can separate that. The point doesn't stand.
I disagree. RP. Just chatting with friends about life or movies or politics. Or whatever. Be it on the forums or through some IM system.
There are plenty of ways to participate in Taijitu without indulging in NS gameplay.
And I'm not even saying NS gameplay is bad. Or that we shouldn't do it. I'm saying that NS gameplay isn't the reason why all of us joined NS. Or Taijitu for that matter. YOUR way to play the game isn't EVERYONE'S way to play the game.
And yes, I was having this exact same conversation when I was back in high school too.
You totally misrepresented my entire post and instead made a glancing effort at simplifying my argument to something rudimentary. It does not "come down to" the fact that I "disagree with the methods" of the citizen delegate and the citizen sergeant. I do, of course, but I also meant that it is indicative of how we've fallen that that sort of activity is allowed to stand by the community, and also that the abandonment of perfectly functioning law because of one individual's disdain for it is destructive to the very ideals of the Revolution that we all hold dear as a core tenet to Taijitu.
Someone you don't like won an election. Welcome to my world for the past month or so.
That's the thing about democracy Funk. Sometimes the guy you don't want to win wins.
I doubt you could name one "organization" that I agree with, much less explain why I would try to influence Taijitu in that manner. I am advocating following principles that we have held high as a region since the founding of the Revolutionary government...
Isn't one of, if not the, key principals of the revolutionary government respect for the democratic process? Oz won. He's Delegate.
And yes, I'm not shy to tell you that I had to pull the region behind me a few years ago when no one else would. I'm proud of it, and I'm not going to let it all go to waste now because some people don't like the "fossils." I doubt you'll find many people who would disagree with the assessment.
You keep using the term fossils. You don't get any more fossilized then SD :wine:
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I think if we would just like to be practical for a minute we should admit that ignoring a part of the game a lot of people find a lot of fun is going to alienate those people and drive activity down more. I would also just like to say that I have felt unwelcome here due to my activity in other regions, namely The North Pacific, and no matter how many times someone says they welcome everyone that's not going to change without actions to back it up.
No one owes Taijitu anything if it's a shitty community to be in and actively encouraging people into GP to stop talking about an aspect of this game they enjoy makes it a shitty community to be in for people who are into that. I would love to come to Taijitu for RP... if anyone RPed. I would love to come to Taijitu for the social community... if anyone socialized.
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I would love to come to Taijitu for RP... if anyone RPed. I would love to come to Taijitu for the social community... if anyone socialized.
Yo :)
As for NS gameplay? I never said it was bad. Just that it's not why I'm here. Or a few others. As far as alienation goes? Funk's whole "you can't participate in Taijitu without engaging in NS gameplay" sentiment is alienating. From my point of view (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IuGxP4Pa4).
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I would love to come to Taijitu for RP... if anyone RPed. I would love to come to Taijitu for the social community... if anyone socialized.
Yo :)
As for NS gameplay? I never said it was bad. Just that it's not why I'm here. Or a few others. As far as alienation goes? Funk's whole "you can't participate in Taijitu without engaging in NS gameplay" sentiment is alienating. From my point of view (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IuGxP4Pa4).
Another thing. I have a pretty positive opinion of everyone I know here. Myro, Funk, Oz, Delfos, Khem, SD, Dyr, Elu...the whole lot. So it's been kind of interesting to discover a change in sentiment over the last 24-48 hours.
Mostly? I'm just saying I really don't care for high school-level games of "he said/she said." I'd rather people just come out with what's on their minds rather then trying to hide behind phrases like "with all due respect."
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I think if we would just like to be practical for a minute we should admit that ignoring a part of the game a lot of people find a lot of fun is going to alienate those people and drive activity down more. I would also just like to say that I have felt unwelcome here due to my activity in other regions, namely The North Pacific, and no matter how many times someone says they welcome everyone that's not going to change without actions to back it up.
No one owes Taijitu anything if it's a shitty community to be in and actively encouraging people into GP to stop talking about an aspect of this game they enjoy makes it a shitty community to be in for people who are into that. I would love to come to Taijitu for RP... if anyone RPed. I would love to come to Taijitu for the social community... if anyone socialized.
I apologize if at any point my railing against NSGP was alienating for yourself or anyone else, I truly wish for the inclusive rhetoric to become our actual paradigm of cosmopolitan democratic awesome. However part of such an inclusive and cosmopolitan populace is the inclusion of abrasive personalities and ideologies within our fold which might very well undermine said paradigm. /me rambles a bit more.
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However part of such an inclusive and cosmopolitan populace is the inclusion of abrasive personalities and ideologies within our fold which might very well undermine said paradigm. /me rambles a bit more.
This is what I mean :(
Another thing. I have a pretty positive opinion of everyone I know here. Myro, Funk, Oz, Delfos, Khem, SD, Dyr, Elu...the whole lot. So it's been kind of interesting to discover a change in sentiment over the last 24-48 hours.
Mostly? I'm just saying I really don't care for high school-level games of "he said/she said." I'd rather people just come out with what's on their minds rather then trying to hide behind phrases like "with all due respect."
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I think if we would just like to be practical for a minute we should admit that ignoring a part of the game a lot of people find a lot of fun is going to alienate those people and drive activity down more. I would also just like to say that I have felt unwelcome here due to my activity in other regions, namely The North Pacific, and no matter how many times someone says they welcome everyone that's not going to change without actions to back it up.
No one owes Taijitu anything if it's a shitty community to be in and actively encouraging people into GP to stop talking about an aspect of this game they enjoy makes it a shitty community to be in for people who are into that. I would love to come to Taijitu for RP... if anyone RPed. I would love to come to Taijitu for the social community... if anyone socialized.
And I agree with ya, Myro. No one should be made to feel unwelcome because they want to do (insert legal activity here). And to be clear, I am -for- gameplay. But at the same time I've often seen governments get so wrapped up in it that they fail to give a shit about their actual forum communities. And that leads to nothing but trouble.
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Taijitu has fallen from 500 nations to 337 between August 15th and November 7th.
That's mainly because I stopped buying stamps when I started school so that one at least is on me >_>
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Taijitu has fallen from 500 nations to 337 between August 15th and November 7th.
That's mainly because I stopped buying stamps when I started school so that one at least is on me >_>
You arent allowed to take all the blame for things like that :P
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didn't the Elutest dummies that were like 100 also CTE at that time?
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didn't the Elutest dummies that were like 100 also CTE at that time?
The last Elutest puppet nation to CTE was in 2014.
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I made a mistake in assuming I had the power to appoint as many citizen-liasons as I wanted. Whatever.
I realize the delegate doesn't have much power, but it was rather a strong urge to do what I could to make Taijitu better. The Citizen-Liason position was definitely a good idea on paper, but instead of promoting Taijitu's activity and facilitating things to do, it turned into a totally ignored position taken up by over enthusiastic citizens, over-worked citizens, and/or an inactive one.
Whatever the outcome up the position, at least I brought some conversation on the subject.
Don't get me wrong. I strongly urge you all to fix the problems that arise from the Citizen-Liason position. I strongly urge we get rid of the position and just name it as a civic duty to welcome newcomers. At the very least, make it more of a ceremonial position.
I have not been able to be very active as of late because I'm still settling into my new place, and I have extremely weird work hours. I apologize especially to all the people who count on me for the map to be updated. I'm working on getting back to some normalcy but please be patient (I don't have internet yet, let alone a fucking desk.)
I will keep the brand of Taijitu defender if that's what we wish, because I can see the benefit of picking a side, it brings in people, whatever. But wherever you go, we're going to Defend differently. We are not going to offer assistance, we're going to enlist. If you want Taijitu to be a GP player, stop half-assing it. Get people here, offer them positions in our army. If we need a new rank system to entice people, then propose it.
As for RP, let's concentrate on micro-rps and the RP discussions. We need a foundation, we keep thinking big but we're trying to build the pyramids of an RP group for fuck's sake. I'll calm my titties so that we can have more laid back roleplay that's both simple and character based. Like with the major GP player base, bring in people you like at other RP places and have them join there. Tell them that cunt St Oz calmed his tits and maybe that might bring them back.
But you know, otherwise, we'll die the slow death again, with just the close friends that we have. So get off your asses, don't vote for a citizen-liason, become one. I'm just waiting for my stupid comcast box so I can be active again and help make us not just a large region, but an active one once again.
So let's all apologize, whether you did something wrong or not. We've all got assholes for mouths and let's admit that (well except khem/wast, you guys are like chillbros). We all agree on one thing, making Taijitu great again, so if you're not part of that group, then you can get the fuck out, or I'll give you an ejection airline ticket straight to the moon. This is not an Oztatorship. This is democracy. This is Taijitu.
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I have not been posting for the past two to four months now, on purpose, to protest the growing sentiment that the 'fossils' are not necessary for Taijitu to function, well let's see about that.
Taijitu has fallen from 500 nations to 337 between August 15th and November 7th.
Taijitu has fallen from 984 posts in August, gradually to nearly half that in October, 557.
Taijitu has fallen from 33 new member in August to just 3 in October.
But no one batted an eyelash.
Bullshit. I noticed, I said something, and I made efforts to fix it. The number of new posts in the welcome thread dove noticeably, and I wondered aloud what had changed. Shouldn't that have been the time to say something? Instead of sabotaging efforts in order to prove a point that I never disagreed with in the first place?
Members like myself and Myroria and Dyr have tried to help and we were met with an attitude like our contributions were not important because we were some old crones who were overbearing or too mired in our own thoughts or something like that. But it appears that we at least had some shred of accuracy to our suggestions. There have been a lot of times in the past six months that Taijitu has had the opportunity to stand out and has simply failed to. Even now, there are discussions about another NS World Fair and no one from Taijitu has offered to submit for a venue or discuss the possibility of Taijitu hosting the World Fair. I get the sense that everything's fallen to a shambles, and now we've elected a Delegate who has expressly told us he's simply going to ignore the laws...
I felt like I found a home here. Flawed and quirky as it may be. I tried to improve it, and I have found little help along the way, though I have asked for it at every turn. I tried my best to balance moving ahead while being respectful to the past.
That's all well and good and I chose to spend that time here and was prepared to continue.
But with our forefathers, or founders, or whatever you like to be called ACTIVELY undermining my efforts in order to "teach someone a lesson?"
I'll "waste" time and effort on a community that is struggling but trying to grow, but I won't waste it fighting against a bunch of asshurt, over sensitive control freaks. Is that what you are?
If not, then what the fuck do you want me to do? In what capacity, your highnesses, can I help the community and please you at the same time?
Please tell me. You guys come up with the ideas and I'll do precisely what you yell me to. It's clear to me that I have been terribly, terribly misguided in my efforts to this point, and I seek redemption.
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We are never going to become active the current direction we're going in. The people on-site don't give a rat's ass about us, and that will never change. The Mentor program won't help either; they'll just ignore the telegram and move on.
The Liaison position has been cancerous to the message of the revolutionary Taijitu. It needs to be either reformed (severely nerfed) or just outright abolished. When I was Liaison, I always thought I had the region in my own hands, and I could do anything I want with it. Newbies are not going to understand the Liaison position, and your proof is literally right in front of you.
As much as we'd all like to be nostalgic and reminiscent of how great things were xxx years or months ago, we need to change. If we want to move forwards with our community, we need to get people that truly care. What does this mean? It means that we need to make our forums known to those outside of NS, and to stop requiring NS membership for Citizenship. We have the potential to be great, but unless we decide progress is more important that arguing, we're going nowhere.
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(http://wiki.taijitu.org/w/images/f/fb/JacksonPulp.jpg)
So many shitty attitudes. I kind of want this thread renamed "Bitching about others". Enough negative BS. Positives, constructive dialogue, ideas about who we can be and how to get there; these are what we should focus on.
I agree with Oz that rather than attempting to build the pyramids of RP we should simply begin with the blocks, MicroRPs and discussions about our nations will definitely bring more spice to worldbuilding. As for community building I also have to agree that we should be seeking out people individually, bring the cool RPers here, bring democracy advocates, militia interested folk with whatever y'all do. Recruiting only does so much for us aside from making our region big, I'm going to instead focus on recruiting to the community rather than the onsite region.
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So many shitty attitudes.
Yes, my attitude is now shitty. I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help. So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.
You people aren't worth my time.
AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say. Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk. So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.
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So many shitty attitudes.
Yes, my attitude is now shitty. I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help. So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.
You've done quite allot in my opinion and I hold you as one of our most valuable members, if it weren't for your input I think this forum might be ghost town status by this point. This is the first day on this forum that I've seen your attitude shift to a non-positive, know I hadn't been referring to you in particular. When you've moved beyond feeling hurt by taking such accusations to mean yourself I am sure your contributions will continue to be part of the growth oriented activity which is the lifeblood of this region. I hope your mood improves and that your day is good to you. Looking forward to seeing such from others as well.
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You people aren't worth my time.
AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say. Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk. So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.
Apologies. I will take that clause out.
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So many shitty attitudes.
Yes, my attitude is now shitty. I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help. So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.
You people aren't worth my time.
BBB I want to say you are probably one of the more valuable members here(take that Oz) as it is some of the people who have been around for a while are set in their ways and nothing will convince them, but if we get in new people that changes things, the new people can be molded, the old people can not.
AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say. Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk. So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.
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Every time we create a new thread something to deal with issues, it turns in to a heated argument,
where everybody is insulting each other. (I specifically blame Funk for this.) We never
get anything done when we propose these things as you can see:
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/proposal-rewrite-all-officer-positions-then-hold-elections/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/a-master-proposal/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/let's-deal-with-the-inactivity!/
And now this very thread.
Did we change anything after these were proposed? No.
Yes, I agree with Khem, it should be named "Bitching about others".
Every time someone proposes something, specifically AwesomeSaucer, people just insult them, without even offering an alternative. How the fuck is is that supposed to solve anything?! Everybody needs to cut it the fuck out, and debate in a calm, sensible way. We need to ask ourselves what problems we have, think of a solution, post it, then we consider the other solutions. Point out what's wrong with other solutions, and provide alternatives in a calm, respectful manner. I know I will get attacked for this. If I'm wrong, tell me without insulting me.
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So I was late to this, and I'm going to do the thing I hate most in forum discussions - respond to a number of disjoint conversations at once. I have more to say, but I'll post when I have more time.
On the Liaison issue (something we can actually resolve):
We've all got assholes for mouths and let's admit that (well except khem/wast, you guys are like chillbros).
I'm an asshole, too - I just edit my statements before I post them. And watch my signature for hours.
If people feel strongly about removing the Liaison position, that's fine. We can get rid of it - the Liaison was non-essential by design anyway. I was hopeful that it could be useful in giving legitimacy to a community organizer of sorts, but that hasn't worked very well. It's a bit harsh to call it cancerous - the curse that follows it has as much to do with circumstances as it does with the nature of the position itself.
So the Liaison position hasn't done us any good, we don't need it, and there's strong opposition. I think that's settled. There's details to discuss on that point (since the law still exists), but we can do that in another thread. (http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/the-citizen-liaison/)
(Aside: I went back and read the law again, and AwesomeSaucer is right in that it is misleading to new members who wouldn't be aware of the context.)
On tension in the community (something I hope we can resolve):
As much as we'd all like to be nostalgic and reminiscent of how great things were xxx years or months ago, we need to change. If we want to move forwards with our community, we need to get people that truly care. What does this mean? It means that we need to make our forums known to those outside of NS, and to stop requiring NS membership for Citizenship. We have the potential to be great, but unless we decide progress is more important that arguing, we're going nowhere.
I can assure you that we are not operating in the blissful haze of nostalgia. Maybe in the case of the once-active RP. Taijitu has always had it's problems, and they've been endured more than they have been solved. The goal here is not to rebuild Taijitu in its past image, because that past image was just as fragile (if not more) as the one we have now. What you perceive as nostalgia is not so much clinging to a past ideal as clinging to the sense of community that kept people here in the first place - and if that seems wistful to you, it's because that's how memory is.
AS, I've defended your ideas and attempts to get things going many times, but what an asshole thing to say. Frankly, it hasnt been worth the time I've spent defending your bad ideas - because - as it turns out, you never actually do anything except talk. So you just keep prattling on, or dont. It won't make a lick of difference to this community either way.
Apologies. I will take that clause out.
Rather than just removing the statement, you may want to clarify what you said. The harshest words are gone but the sentiment is still there ('...people that truly care'). We're fishing for a little humility here.
So many shitty attitudes.
Yes, my attitude is now shitty. I'm not bitching about others, I'm bitching about being accused of not doing anything to help the region. WTF? I have fucked up so badly when I thought I was trying to help. So yeah, my attitude is very shitty.
[...] When you've moved beyond feeling hurt by taking such accusations to mean yourself I am sure your contributions will continue to be part of the growth oriented activity which is the lifeblood of this region. I hope your mood improves and that your day is good to you. Looking forward to seeing such from others as well.
If I were actually active, I'd probably be incensed too. I appreciate the positivity, but there's substantive conflict behind the emotion here and now may not be the time to sweep that tension away and force a smile like the little sloth in my signature, who is probably terrified and desperately trying to escape its plastic prison.
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And watch my signature for hours.
Haha, I do that too.
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Clarify? I was in a bad mood. I know I say that a lot, but my life is in turmoil lately, and honestly, this doesn't help.
I am an extremely volatile person IRL, and I am trying my hardest to fix it. This is just something that I've accepted, and I need you guys to as well. Please understand that if I lash out on you for something, I may not be actually angry at you specifically, but instead for something else.
I agree with Red Mones that we need to try to stay sensible. We all have conflicting ideas, and screaming will do nothing.
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Every time we create a new thread something to deal with issues, it turns in to a heated argument,
where everybody is insulting each other. (I specifically blame Funk for this.) We never
get anything done when we propose these things as you can see:
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/proposal-rewrite-all-officer-positions-then-hold-elections/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/a-master-proposal/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/let's-deal-with-the-inactivity!/
And now this very thread.
Did we change anything after these were proposed? No.
Yes, I agree with Khem, it should be named "Bitching about others".
Every time someone proposes something, specifically AwesomeSaucer, people just insult them, without even offering an alternative. How the fuck is is that supposed to solve anything?! Everybody needs to cut it the fuck out, and debate in a calm, sensible way. We need to ask ourselves what problems we have, think of a solution, post it, then we consider the other solutions. Point out what's wrong with other solutions, and provide alternatives in a calm, respectful manner. I know I will get attacked for this. If I'm wrong, tell me without insulting me.
Looking at some of those threads - some reasonable points were raised, but it stopped. Not due to the eventual arguments, but no initiative was ever taken to separate good ideas into their own threads, form the ideas into concrete proposals, refine language, move to vote, vote, etc.
One of threads that started out the most positive was also the "broadest" and needed that kind of idea curation to lead to proposals that could be implemented.
Another I completely disagreed with, and others did as well. If I disagree with an idea I reserve the right to make such comments. If the people who proposed those ideas wished to see them move forward/adapted, they should have done so.
Another thread there is not the large discussion that the others were, and perhaps is less indicative of what you are trying to say (namely Funk did not post in that thread, so the funk-as-root-of-all-evil theory falls flat rather quickly)
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I wish I could say that the arguments, name-calling, bickering, and finger-pointing make me motivated to improve this community, but they don't. In fact, it just reminds me there are a thousand communities out there that aren't tearing themselves apart trying to figure out how to get along.
Blaming any one person for fostering hostility will not help, and if anyone really thinks that Funk's attitude is the only thing making this situation so painful for everyone they're not examining the whole picture. I can't blame Funkadoodle or BigBaldBeyonce or anyone else for feeling hurt. Everyone feels like they've contributed a lot and it's hard when people disagree with you.
There have been worries from some people that Taijitu will turn into what it was in 2012. In 2012, I felt that Taijitu had run its course and would exist in extended stasis for a while. Today, I feel like our region has lost sight of itself and aside from a few sensible minds is caught up in blaming others and what looks like hatred. That sort of culture is going to lead to resentment, not fond memories of times past.
Despite my grave disagreements with Oz on almost every aspect of his foreign policy, I think that his ideas on domestic issues are reasonable places to start. There is really no reason to have a Liaison anymore. I think Wast brings a refreshing voice of reason to this debate and I hope people listen to him. I don't really have a horse in this race anymore. Whatever Taijitu decides is the best for it I'll accept, whether it makes me happy or not.
Learn to live with Taijitu's faults instead of trying to iron them out of each other. In the immortal words of Michael Aday:
"You'll never find no gold on a sandy beach/
You'll never drill for oil on a city street/
I know you're looking for a ruby in a pile of rocks/
But there ain't no Coupe de Ville hiding at the bottom of a Cracker Jack box."
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I think the first question we need to address above all others is our...
wait for it ....
MISSION STATEMENT.
Why does Taijitu exist? We're more than a NS region, for sure. But what is our specialty? What are we above all else?
I don't think that we can separate Taijitu from worldbuilding and/or roleplay. We have a definite creative vibe here, which is awesome. But why else do people come here?
More to the point - why do we want people to come here? What are our strengths, or more to the point, what do we want our strengths to be?
It's a simple question, but I think it could help us move forward collectively if we were all working towards the same goal.
We all seem to have the same goal. The betterment of the region. The problem of course is that there are as many differing ideas on how to do that as there are people.
What really saddens me is how much just.. over all anger there is here. It's not the fault of one person. I see a lot of folks doing it. Not just in this thread but elsewhere also. I've never thought of Taijitu as a perfect place, but at least a civil one.
I don't think I can say that anymore.
I see a lot of new faces who look like they have done a lot of good things. I see a lot of people I have known for years who seem to feel they're not welcome or don't have a place here. I've always myself seen Taijitu as an inclusive place. I see that term being thrown around a lot here, and yet very little actual acceptance going on.
I'm not saying this in any kind of confrontational sense. I know I've been away for a while, but i'm still a citizen and that is in the capacity in which I say this.
To me, Taijitu has always been about the people in it. To me and many others it has been the basis of friendships which have expanded past the digital borders and transitioned into RL. Some of the best times of my life have been the result of my involvement here. I want others to have that. I want others to get that feeling of "home" that so many of us have while here.
As far as gameplay goes, of course it is part of the region. Earlier when I said it was secondary it somehow got misconstrued into "we don't need it" or "it shouldn't be a part of the region". When in reality I meant nothing of the sort. What it comes down to though is that a game like this is only as fun as those you play it with, and only as rewarding as the time spent with those people.
And though I'm saddened immensely by how much aggression I'm seeing I am still proud in some way that the region still survives. Blame is irrelevant. Moving forward in a better more respectful spirit towards one another is what matters. Everyone here has something to offer. The old and the new. No matter how long you've been here your opinion should be considered valid. No matter how new you are, your views should not be dismissed.
So. What is Taijitu? Since the term "Mission Statement" was used I'll take a crack at it in like terminology.
Taijitu is a multi cultural political entity that strives to move forward by leveraging its core competencies while using judicious application of holistic leverage to maximise synergy.
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Every time we create a new thread something to deal with issues, it turns in to a heated argument,
where everybody is insulting each other. (I specifically blame Funk for this.) We never
get anything done when we propose these things as you can see:
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/proposal-rewrite-all-officer-positions-then-hold-elections/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/a-master-proposal/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/let's-deal-with-the-inactivity!/
Thanks guy but I didn't even post in the first thread, I was completely respectful in the second (where I offered multiple ideas and made extended efforts to understand the opposing opinions), and in the third thread I actually was apologizing for not trying hard enough.
I appreciate being personally blamed for all of our ailments though.
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Every time we create a new thread something to deal with issues, it turns in to a heated argument,
where everybody is insulting each other. (I specifically blame Funk for this.) We never
get anything done when we propose these things as you can see:
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/proposal-rewrite-all-officer-positions-then-hold-elections/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/a-master-proposal/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/let's-deal-with-the-inactivity!/
Thanks guy but I didn't even post in the first thread, I was completely respectful in the second (where I offered multiple ideas and made extended efforts to understand the opposing opinions), and in the third thread I actually was apologizing for not trying hard enough.
I appreciate being personally blamed for all of our ailments though.
get your shit together you aren't being blamed, you aren't being scapegoated, in fact its people who liked you that feel that you attacked them that are telling you to calm down.
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Every time we create a new thread something to deal with issues, it turns in to a heated argument,
where everybody is insulting each other. (I specifically blame Funk for this.) We never
get anything done when we propose these things as you can see:
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/proposal-rewrite-all-officer-positions-then-hold-elections/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/a-master-proposal/
http://forum.taijitu.org/proposals-and-discussions/let's-deal-with-the-inactivity!/
Thanks guy but I didn't even post in the first thread, I was completely respectful in the second (where I offered multiple ideas and made extended efforts to understand the opposing opinions), and in the third thread I actually was apologizing for not trying hard enough.
I appreciate being personally blamed for all of our ailments though.
get your shit together you aren't being blamed, you aren't being scapegoated, in fact its people who liked you that feel that you attacked them that are telling you to calm down.
(my bold)
OT, I bolded the section of the post where Funk was being blamed. I hope you reconsider your post in light of this new information.
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in the end it's funk's fault we're in this situation. seriously?
I mean, wtf are we talking about?
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I mean, wtf are we talking about?
And now in respect of the OP
I think the first question we need to address above all others is our...
wait for it ....
MISSION STATEMENT.
Why does Taijitu exist? We're more than a NS region, for sure. But what is our specialty? What are we above all else?
I don't think that we can separate Taijitu from worldbuilding and/or roleplay. We have a definite creative vibe here, which is awesome. But why else do people come here?
More to the point - why do we want people to come here? What are our strengths, or more to the point, what do we want our strengths to be?
It's a simple question, but I think it could help us move forward collectively if we were all working towards the same goal.
"...goal... betterment of the region... there are as many differing ideas on how to do that as there are people...
I've always myself seen Taijitu as an inclusive place... Taijitu has always been about the people in it. To me and many others it has been the basis of friendships which have expanded past the digital borders and transitioned into RL. Some of the best times of my life have been the result of my involvement here. I want others to have that. I want others to get that feeling of "home" that so many of us have while here.
...a game like this is only as fun as those you play it with, and only as rewarding as the time spent with those people.
...I am still proud in some way that the region still survives. Blame is irrelevant. Moving forward in a better more respectful spirit towards one another is what matters. Everyone here has something to offer. The old and the new. No matter how long you've been here your opinion should be considered valid. No matter how new you are, your views should not be dismissed.
So. What is Taijitu? Since the term "Mission Statement" was used I'll take a crack at it in like terminology.
Taijitu is a multi cultural political entity that strives to move forward by leveraging its core competencies while using judicious application of holistic leverage to maximize synergy.
I can agree with this and very much look forward to meeting the people who will one day be among those treasured friends, perhaps Myroria is correct with the ideals of internal recruitment to help drive such.
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Funk's comments in this thread about actively sabotaging our efforts here and that no one "batted an eye" are the only issue I have and I'm over being angry about it. It's done, it was said, it's over and I will take Khem's advice about not taking it personally and move on.
For clarity, I have no issue with the old-timers (or anyone else) coming and going as they are able - I've been there myself and know what it is like. I have said and will continue to say that we need "everyone:" not just new blood and not just old timers, but everyone, to keep making this a better community.
As for me, I'm going back to work. Time to figure out polls on the NS site...
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You always come back even if your family is dysfunctional, has a drunk uncle, a foul-mouthed Portuguese cousin, hippies, republican-senators-wanna-bees, bigot lawyers and narcotic cream making enthusiasts.
And you forgot the odd licorice & Salmiak loving Scandinavian cousins with weird interests ;)
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I apologize to anyone if I've hurt them. (I specifically apologize to Funk for blaming him). I was just angry about it and wanted someone to blame, that's all. Being angry=Being irrational. Also, I can understand Myro's point:
Blaming any one person for fostering hostility will not help, and if anyone really thinks that Funk's attitude is the only thing making this situation so painful for everyone they're not examining the whole picture. I can't blame Funkadoodle or BigBaldBeyonce or anyone else for feeling hurt. Everyone feels like they've contributed a lot and it's hard when people disagree with you.
I can especially understand if Funk feels this way because he's contributed so much to the region since its founding.
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This is highly personal, and perhaps uncalled for, but what am I in Taijitu?
What is it about me that everyone seems to find so controversial, and perhaps bad? Is it my ideas, my personality, etc? Has Taijitu changed at all since I joined?