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Offline Templarios

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2008, 11:14:19 PM »
I would like to point out to the court that as posted by G-C in the official court thread
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Since Govindia was a citizen at the time of his restriction, he retained his citizenship up until the issuance of this verdict.
Therefore upon the verdict being issued by the court Govindia's citizenship was rendered void once the verdict was delivered by the court, because of this Govindia was no longer protected by the code of laws from being banned. Also, according to Justice Eluvatar it is his opinion that violations of the forum's ToS are above the court and cannot be overturned by them.

Finally, as I am not a citizen of this region I am not bound by these laws and cannot be tried under them

Right, let me get this straight - if you are not a citizen you have no rights so you can ban them for any reason, and you are totally free from any prosecution as you are also not a citizen so not bound by the law so can not be tried under them.

Following what you have done - banning a non-citizen because they have no rights i therefore want you to be banned because you said yourself you are not a citizen, just the same as you say Gov is.

Or is it just because you want to?

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2008, 11:37:02 PM »
So I guess you can do whatever you please, huh? If I was to go to France and kill somebody, I guess I'm off the hook, eh?



If you payed for half of france, yes.
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Offline Templarios

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2008, 11:45:32 PM »
So I guess you can do whatever you please, huh? If I was to go to France and kill somebody, I guess I'm off the hook, eh?



If you payed for half of france, yes.

Another reason to move to a forum where it is free?
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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2008, 12:07:05 AM »
hahahaha  :clap: HAHAHAHAHA!  :clap:

Hey Gunner, I'm not the one telling about the wolf.

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2008, 03:13:24 AM »
So I guess you can do whatever you please, huh? If I was to go to France and kill somebody, I guess I'm off the hook, eh?



If you payed for half of france, yes.
Then to avoid the corruption that money causes, it only makes sense to me that we should move the forum to a free and just as functional alternative that Temp mentioned. Why should Limi be pouring money out on our behalves when we don't even need it? It's a win/win situation: he gets to keep his money, we get to eliminate the corruption in our system.


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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2008, 03:25:07 AM »
Okay people. Stop spamming this topic.



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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2008, 05:34:49 AM »
Limi, banning Govindia outright went against the spirit of the Court's sentence and you know it.  Removal of citizenship is the nearest the Court can get to a probation.


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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2008, 02:28:23 AM »
I, Garth Ebner/Myroria, do file a complaint against Delfos due to their violation of Article 1, Section 3 in sending IRC logs to other members against my consent which was to my detriment because my privacy was violated.
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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2008, 08:46:24 AM »
There is no such thing as corruption involved in here. Limitless Events is acting as an administrator not as a forum owner. His or Eluvatar's decisions, as root admins, have nothing to do with NS but with the forum's security, ToS and rules. It was in that capacity that he has acted against Govindia's access over multiple IPs. As far as I am concerned, that's the end of it and the Court has no involvement in it.

Second: moving to a new location is a very serious thing, I doubt that any of those proposing it have ever performed or assisted a forum change. It may affect the region in a positive or a negative way. Members will surely be lost. Structures will be damaged.....and perhaps Osamafune will offer himself to be root admin.  ::)

What really ticks me off is to see the determination of a handful of people to throw dirt on everything they see in Taijitu and that very few Taijituans seem to mind it. The fact that the administration is now accused of being corrupt is for me the cherry on the cake. May I ask the Supreme Court why this is allowed to go on in here? This administration has built and served Taijitu for over a year, it has set up our recruiting tool and helped grow our region and has secured a quiet and efficient management of the forums. Can anybody name a case when this administration should have been accused with anything, like it is the case in so many NS regions? Do we still have a community in here, or all the Osamafune-alikes allowed to speak how they please about anybody in this region?
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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2008, 01:32:58 PM »
For the record, I have been involved in a forum move: The move of The North Pacific from s2 to s13 (as it was then). I would agree that there are inevitable losses involved.

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2008, 04:03:04 AM »
All of this discussion is fascinating, but it seems to me that things have once again stalled. Myroria has just filed a suit against Delfos, which by prior decisions of the court is completely valid. So before that gets lost in completely unrelated spam and nothing gets done I'm going to give the Court a week in which to act on it or I'll have to do something about it once again. I also don't think anything ever happened with Myroria's request concerning Baltija.

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2008, 07:54:19 AM »
please do not also forget my client PoD Gunner's complaint against Osamafune, dated 21st December 2007 and still not heard by the court.

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2008, 07:48:04 PM »
All of this discussion is fascinating, but it seems to me that things have once again stalled. Myroria has just filed a suit against Delfos, which by prior decisions of the court is completely valid. So before that gets lost in completely unrelated spam and nothing gets done I'm going to give the Court a week in which to act on it or I'll have to do something about it once again. I also don't think anything ever happened with Myroria's request concerning Baltija.

Actually it turns out that Balt's ban was overturned at some point by the administration and I don't think there is need for a trial to unban someone who is no longer banned
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Offline Myroria

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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2008, 08:58:37 PM »
Besides, Baltija has left NationStates after losing an RP war. I withdraw the original case, seeing as even if he comes back he's unbanned anyway. It seems a puppet nation was established by those he lost this RP war to, so I'm inquiring about where he is and why he quit.

But the case against Delfos still stands. This is atrocious.
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Re: The Supreme Court Docket
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2008, 12:45:59 AM »
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I, Garth Ebner/Myroria, do file a complaint against Delfos due to their violation of Article 1, Section 3 in sending IRC logs to other members against my consent which was to my detriment because my privacy was violated.

I would like to remind all of Taijitu that the Supreme Court is not the all-purpose policeman of this region. Trials are incredibly time-consuming and wasteful for all involved.

I strongly suggest that Myroria you go away and talk to Delfos, or an administrator or the delegate and try and find an amicable solution between yourselves.

If, and only if this is done, and there are no other options and you still feel that this relatively insignificant event warrants a trial, then I may consider it. I would also like to tell Flemingovia not to hurry the court and perhaps remind him of the time he posted personal IRC logs without my permission.
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