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Forum Meta => May 2008 - Government of Taijitu => Government Archive => Archive => The Supreme Court => Topic started by: Eluvatar on April 29, 2007, 10:06:41 PM
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This is the Supreme Court Docket listing:
If you desire to file a complaint with intent for a suit in Court, post here for proceedings to be initiated.
Please structure your complaint like so:
I, [Insert Forum Name Here], do file a complaint against [Insert Entity Here] due to their violation of [Insert citation(s) to Laws and/or Constitution] in [Insert Action Here] which was to my detriment because [Insert justification for Standing here].
[Either:] In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for [Insert Remedy Here].
[Or:] In this Criminal Proceeding I am accusing the defendant of criminal violations to be sentenced on by the Court.
For Example:
I, Eluvatar, do file a complaint against God due to their violation of The Primary Laws of Taijitu, Section 3 (http://wiki.taijitu.org/index.php?title=The_Primary_Laws_of_Taijitu) in their continuous omniscience which was to my detriment because I am now doomed to eternal damnation for blaspheming in #taijitu.
In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for God to use their Omnipotence to remove their Omniscience.
DO NOT discuss the merits of the case beyond that.
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I, Solnath, do file suit against Myrorian Theocratic Empereum due to their violation of the Primary Laws of Taijitu, Section 10 (http://wiki.taijitu.org/index.php?title=The_Primary_Laws_of_Taijitu) in deleting the thread "Astronomy" which was to my detriment because the removal of the thread in question limited my freedom of speech.
In this Criminal Proceeding I am accusing the defendant of criminal violations to be sentenced on by the Court.
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There's nothing in the laws about cruel and unusual punishment, but...
I move for the unbanning of Baltija, because the crimes he perpetrated (Impersonation, barely-close-to harassment) do not fit his punishment (Permanent banning). Even though there's nothing in the Constitution per se about how long someone may be punished, people who harassed just as much or more as him are repeatedly told to stop it, nothing else. As I see it, Baltija was banned because the just-forming government thought he'd stir up trouble, and "preventive medicine" does not work when you're dealing with banning an individual.
Thank you.
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There's nothing in the laws about cruel and unusual punishment, but...
I move for the unbanning of Baltija, because the crimes he perpetrated (Impersonation, barely-close-to harassment) do not fit his punishment (Permanent banning). Even though there's nothing in the Constitution per se about how long someone may be punished, people who harassed just as much or more as him are repeatedly told to stop it, nothing else. As I see it, Baltija was banned because the just-forming government thought he'd stir up trouble, and "preventive medicine" does not work when you're dealing with banning an individual.
Thank you.
I would like a clarification of your motion according to the form presented above.
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I, Myroria, do file a complaint against The Taijituan Government due to their violation of cruel and unusual punishment (?), unjustness, in the banning of Baltija which was to my detriment because I find it as preventive banning, which is unacceptable.
In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for the unbanning of Baltija.
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Acting as Legal Counsel to Govindia I'd like the submit the following on his behalf. Govinidia wishes to as his legal right to challenge his restricted access to the forums by the Government in Court.
I apologize for no using the stated format, but it does not fit well for this case. To clarify:
Govindia has standing because he was the one whose access was restricted, limiting his use of the forums. He is also a citizen entitled to legal rights.
The remedy he is seeking if proven not guilty is the removal of the restriction.
As per the established procedures I expect a trial to be opened as promptly as possible or one scheduled for something like IRC.
EDIT: Furthermore, Govindia believes that Durnia possesses a strong and partial bias against him and wishes for him to recuse himself from this case and for an interim Justice to be found.
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I ask the court to note that, given the fact it is Sunday and I have very limited time at the computer today, it will be Monday or Tuesday before a prosecutor can be appointed.
Posted on: October 07, 2007, 03:53:52 AM
I thank the court for it's patience, and appoint POD Gunner as prosecutor.
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Acknowledged and accepted.
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I, Tacolicious, do file a complaint against the Internal Procedures of the Senate due to their violation of the Constitution of Taijitu in Item III: Procedures for Elections which was to my detriment because it critically affected the election results.
In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for a reversal of the Speaker Election results of 12/16/07.
I request a forum trial.
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You do, do you?
Well, this will be decided upon sometime next year, busy time of year, Justices inactive etc.
Personally, I recuse myself.
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I, Osamafune, do file a complaint against PoD_Gunner due to their violation of Article I, section 6 of the Taijitan Code of Laws in his insulting signature and continued harassment of Govindia and his defense team which was to my detriment because he is in clear violation of the aforementioned law, and helps prevent justice from being properly served in the Taijitu vs. Govindia trial.
In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for the removal of "Taijituan Kensatsu-Kan Taijitu's line of defense against the worst scum of the NS Universe" from his signature and any other punishment the court may see fit.
I also request a forum trial.
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Have you tried politely PMing him?
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That's unnecessary, as we've already made a polite post about it. And it doesn't change the harassment during the trial.
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Osamafune, I don't believe you have standing to sue for the removal of PoD's signature, as it was not directed at you, nor were you harmed by it. Govindia, if his citizenship is confirmed, would have standing to sue. As for his conduct in the trial of Taijitu v. Govindia, a full-blown trial is neither necessary nor proper; a simple motion to the Court that he be held in Contempt is all that is necessary, and you have provided this.
Justice Allama has indeed said that if he acts disrespectively one more time, he will be held in contempt; in this eventuality, the Government will have to appoint a new Prosecutor.
Tacolicious, no Citizen has the right to sue a law. Citizens may sue other Citizens if they believe that the defendant has used a law in a manner not in accordance with the Constitution, but no citizen may sue laws. The Court has issued prior opininon on this matter.
Please identify a specific defendant or defendants if you wish to have Standing before the Court.
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I remove my request for a trial from this pathetic joke of a court system which has made it clear that it has no capacity to function effectively.
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As you wish.
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I remove my request for a trial from this pathetic joke of a court system which has made it clear that it has no capacity to function effectively.
Good, good.
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Taco, check your PMs
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Osamafune - As I see it, your request is flawed. Mostly because it does not actually state what it is referring to... Therefore, attempting to take action against an ambiguous statement, into which you have read a meaning that you have only assumed. I realise that I am not a justice, other than for the purposes of the Govindia trial, but I would suggest that you don't have a case...
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That's unnecessary, as we've already made a polite post about it. And it doesn't change the harassment during the trial.
No, it's very necessary.
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The request has already been made, so perhaps you can explain why it's needed?
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That's unnecessary, as we've already made a polite post about it. And it doesn't change the harassment during the trial.
No, it's very necessary.
Please keep all posts in this thread germane.
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Incredible. I have accepted Flemingovia as my counsel. He will speak in my behalf.
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I, Osamafune, do file a complaint against PoD_Gunner due to their violation of Article I, section 6 of the Taijitan Code of Laws in his insulting signature and continued harassment of Govindia and his defense team which was to my detriment because he is in clear violation of the aforementioned law, and helps prevent justice from being properly served in the Taijitu vs. Govindia trial.
In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for the removal of "Taijituan Kensatsu-Kan Taijitu's line of defense against the worst scum of the NS Universe" from his signature and any other punishment the court may see fit.
I also request a forum trial.
If it please the court, I have been asked by PoDGunner to represent him in this matter, and to act as defence counsel.
As it is the season of goodwill, we agree to a forum trial, and enter an immediate plea of "not guilty".
Further, my client wishes to enter a countersuit against Osamafune, as follows...
I, Flemingoivian Legal services, on behalf of PoD Gunner, do file a complaint against Osamafune due to their violation of Taijitu Code of Laws article 1, clause 4 and 6. It is our contention that He has libelled my client by calling him a lair in a public thread and has not, despite invitation and opportunity, withdrawn and/or apologised for his comments. We contend that he has also entered into a malicious prosecution against my client with the purpose of further blackening his name in this region.
In this Civil Proceeding my client is petitioning for the following:
1. The withdrawal of all criminal proceedings against my client and
2. A full and public apology to be issued to my client by Osamafune, the wording of which will be agreed by my client, and
3. the publication of the apology in Osamafune's signature for a period not less than one week.
Please note that, should these petitions be met before this comes to trial, this suit will be withdrawn.
To aid speedy resolution of this matter, we ask that this petition be heard on IRC chat.
We would also ask the court not to simply dismiss these suits. My client's good name is important to him, and he is happy to answer all charges. If this is not allowed to come to trial, then there is a danger that the mud that has been scurrilously thrown at my client will stick.
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At this rate, it will be Christmas time next year by the time the court gets around to that trial. I don't have any problems with that though.
I, naturally, also request that the court does not dismiss the trials.
Oh and GMT, check your pms shortly.
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At this rate, it will be Christmas time next year by the time the court gets around to that trial.
It's quicker to either make an effort to resolve it civilly, grow a thicker skin, or ignore it.
Flemingovia's petition has been noted by the Court.
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Simple insults over the internet don't bother me. It's deception and double standards that annoy me.
So Flem's has been noted, what of mine?
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Indeed.
Your request? Why, it has too been noted by the Court of course.
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Both have been noted and both are in my opinion absurd. I'd rather not have Taijitu become a suit-happy region, and granting a writ of certiorari to either Osamafune's suit or PoD Gunner's countersuit seems to me to be just the sort of action that would encourage the development.
Be sure that if the other Justices overrule me and wish to hear this case, I will be recusing myself.
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I will withdraw my suit since I really don't want to go through that many trials. But since I have nothing to apologize for yet, PoD vs. Osa appears to still be on.
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I am sure my client will be relieved that this suit hanging over him has been withdrawn. I will consult with him as to how he wishes to proceed.
Gallipoli-China, I do not see anywhere in the constitution or laws of Taijitu where justices have power to grant or withhold a writ of a certiorari. The closest I can find is this clause:
2. The Supreme Court shall have the power to review the actions of both the government and the citizens of Taijitu, and to hear cases brought before it.
This gives the court the power to hear cases, but not the power to refuse to hear cases. Odd, but there you go.
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Both have been noted and both are in my opinion absurd. I'd rather not have Taijitu become a suit-happy region, and granting a writ of certiorari to either Osamafune's suit or PoD Gunner's countersuit seems to me to be just the sort of action that would encourage the development.
Be sure that if the other Justices overrule me and wish to hear this case, I will be recusing myself.
I will withdraw my suit since I really don't want to go through that many trials.
Finally, a way forward for reason and common-sense. I hope PoD Gunner follows this and we don't set a dangerous precedent here.
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Osafune: Simple insults over the internet don't bother me. It's deception and double standards that annoy me.
That is a very interesting perspective. Instead of behaving like a responsible member of this region you have chosen to throw dirt on me, call me a liar in the face, and then file a suit against my persona, only to appear afterwards in here and whine about what you perceive as double standards. Were such standards in place you wouldn't have been able to perform these actions. You are assuming things you know very little about yet you have no problem in attacking me and others and in identifying as biased and unfair a community I thought you had been a part of and that is protecting itself against a virus.
I couldn't care less about the suit since it was just another mockery from your part. It might be a sad day, but one I had been expecting. What surprises me is that you're going so far with this also in wanting me to believe (also in the PM you are referring to) that you do not understand what this is about. If I were to go through your statements and conclusions in this trial, I could call you a liar and a bullshitter at every post. I decided no to let it go there, but if you think that this region is the French Revolution, where anybody can call his fellow a traitor, I hope that the members of this region will prove you wrong.
To be frank, as far as I am concerned through these actions you have allowed me to form a final opinion upon your character and I personally will do my best to ignore your presence from now on.
PS I am sorry Templarios, what was displayed here was not common-sense but a complete lack thereof. Please invest your hopes next time in your team-mates. I for one am disappointed at this moment. The dangerous precedent has already been set.
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So, are you withdrawing your suit?
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It doesn't look like it.
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Osafune: Simple insults over the internet don't bother me. It's deception and double standards that annoy me.
That is a very interesting perspective. Instead of behaving like a responsible member of this region you have chosen to throw dirt on me, call me a liar in the face, and then file a suit against my persona, only to appear afterwards in here and whine about what you perceive as double standards. Were such standards in place you wouldn't have been able to perform these actions. You are assuming things you know very little about yet you have no problem in attacking me and others and in identifying as biased and unfair a community I thought you had been a part of and that is protecting itself against a virus.
I couldn't care less about the suit since it was just another mockery from your part. It might be a sad day, but one I had been expecting. What surprises me is that you're going so far with this also in wanting me to believe (also in the PM you are referring to) that you do not understand what this is about. If I were to go through your statements and conclusions in this trial, I could call you a liar and a bullshitter at every post. I decided no to let it go there, but if you think that this region is the French Revolution, where anybody can call his fellow a traitor, I hope that the members of this region will prove you wrong.
To be frank, as far as I am concerned through these actions you have allowed me to form a final opinion upon your character and I personally will do my best to ignore your presence from now on.
PS I am sorry Templarios, what was displayed here was not common-sense but a complete lack thereof. Please invest your hopes next time in your team-mates. I for one am disappointed at this moment. The dangerous precedent has already been set.
You posted a statement that we had proven to be false earlier in the trial. You said something about one of our witnesses "mentioning" it in his testimony when he did not. So I assumed that you could have simply misread a post; who hasn't done that before? Whether intentional or not, most would consider a false statement of any kind to be a "lie."
I'm still waiting for the evidence you claim to have proving your statement to be true. Present me with that, and obviously I was in the wrong and deserve to apologize to you. I will not take your word for it though because I haven't seen you do one thing that could make me think I can trust you. In fact, your conduct in Gov's trial proves to me that I cannot trust you.
Telling the truth is not "throwing dirt on one's persona." If anyone is whining here now, I think it would be you. You're taking things waaaaayyyyyy too far out of proportion.
At any rate, I'm done talking about this until either you withdraw the suit or until the trial begins.
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I would like to file a suit against certain people and That Guy for not paying back the money they owe me, totalling four dollars and fifty-nine cents ($4.59). In this Awesome proceeding I want their heads chopped off and handed to me on silver platters.
Reply to Reply #37:
A-ha! This is what being clever is all about! Make that four dollars and sixty-three cents ($4.63)!
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Okaaaaaaaay, only serious, and relevant posts may now be made in this thread. If you want to comment, reply etc to anything else in here, please make a new thread but do not comment here.
Also, this is Taijitu. That just isn't going to happen.
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Okaaaaaaaay, only serious, and relevant posts may now be made in this thread. If you want to comment, reply etc to anything else in here, please make a new thread but do not comment here.
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Please quit misleading everybody and beating around the bush. This is about you behaving like an enemy of this region and calling me a liar and attacking me personally (see your suit above and you calling my affirmation a blatant lie. Again, your subjective and shameless interpretations of clear statements from witnesses were not used by me to shout you in the face what you would deserve to be called) which you then so gracefully dismissed because of "lack of time". You went ahead and attacked respectable members of this region who posted their statements in order to make a case.
If you believe that I am willing to allow such actions and direct insults to go away, you are mistaking. I will decide later if I am going through with the suit against you. You are not trusting me? Think then for a second how I feel about you, then. That is all.
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I just wasted a lot of time trying to follow all of this bickering. Can I file a suit to get those minutes back?
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In any case, Myroria vs. Taijitu in the respect of Baltija needs to go first.
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In any case, Myroria vs. Taijitu in the respect of Baltija needs to go first.
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I, Osamafune, do file a complaint against Limitless Events due to their violation of Article II, Sections 1, 2, , 3, and 10 of the Taijituan Code of Laws and Article VI, sections 1 and 2 of the Constitution of Taijitu in the banning of Govindia which was to my detriment because Article II, section 10 of the Taijituan Code of Laws states that the delegate must act upon the sentences given by the court once the proceedings of a trial has been made public, meaning Govindia was illegaly banned because there has been no public statement, he was not notified via personal message nor telegram, and is unable to contact the Supreme Court directly to seek redress. Because of Article II, section 10, that effectively makes Govindia still a citizen of Taijitu because the sentencing had yet to come into affect, thus the banning was illegal.
In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for the unbanning of Govindia and a monetary compensation to be determined by the court for the time spent being illegally banned (in tai of course).
And I have pmed Limi about the situation, and should he follow by the Code of Laws, I will withdraw this suit.
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I would like to point out to the court that as posted by G-C in the official court thread
Since Govindia was a citizen at the time of his restriction, he retained his citizenship up until the issuance of this verdict.
Therefore upon the verdict being issued by the court Govindia's citizenship was rendered void once the verdict was delivered by the court, because of this Govindia was no longer protected by the code of laws from being banned. Also, according to Justice Eluvatar it is his opinion that violations of the forum's ToS are above the court and cannot be overturned by them.
Finally, as I am not a citizen of this region I am not bound by these laws and cannot be tried under them
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So I guess you can do whatever you please, huh? If I was to go to France and kill somebody, I guess I'm off the hook, eh?
For the record, only the delegate has the power to carry out a verdict or sentence. If Gov's citizenship was indeed revoked at the time the verdict was issued, would be the same as the court carrying out the sentence which would be illegal.
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I would like to point out to the court that as posted by G-C in the official court thread
Since Govindia was a citizen at the time of his restriction, he retained his citizenship up until the issuance of this verdict.
Therefore upon the verdict being issued by the court Govindia's citizenship was rendered void once the verdict was delivered by the court, because of this Govindia was no longer protected by the code of laws from being banned. Also, according to Justice Eluvatar it is his opinion that violations of the forum's ToS are above the court and cannot be overturned by them.
Finally, as I am not a citizen of this region I am not bound by these laws and cannot be tried under them
Right, let me get this straight - if you are not a citizen you have no rights so you can ban them for any reason, and you are totally free from any prosecution as you are also not a citizen so not bound by the law so can not be tried under them.
Following what you have done - banning a non-citizen because they have no rights i therefore want you to be banned because you said yourself you are not a citizen, just the same as you say Gov is.
Or is it just because you want to?
A Utopia for those fleeing oppression, or simply wanting to enjoy the game of NationStates!
Something doesnt fit here...
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So I guess you can do whatever you please, huh? If I was to go to France and kill somebody, I guess I'm off the hook, eh?
If you payed for half of france, yes.
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So I guess you can do whatever you please, huh? If I was to go to France and kill somebody, I guess I'm off the hook, eh?
If you payed for half of france, yes.
Another reason to move to a forum where it is free?
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hahahaha :clap: HAHAHAHAHA! :clap:
Hey Gunner, I'm not the one telling about the wolf.
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So I guess you can do whatever you please, huh? If I was to go to France and kill somebody, I guess I'm off the hook, eh?
If you payed for half of france, yes.
Then to avoid the corruption that money causes, it only makes sense to me that we should move the forum to a free and just as functional alternative that Temp mentioned. Why should Limi be pouring money out on our behalves when we don't even need it? It's a win/win situation: he gets to keep his money, we get to eliminate the corruption in our system.
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Okay people. Stop spamming this topic.
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Limi, banning Govindia outright went against the spirit of the Court's sentence and you know it. Removal of citizenship is the nearest the Court can get to a probation.
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I, Garth Ebner/Myroria, do file a complaint against Delfos due to their violation of Article 1, Section 3 in sending IRC logs to other members against my consent which was to my detriment because my privacy was violated.
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There is no such thing as corruption involved in here. Limitless Events is acting as an administrator not as a forum owner. His or Eluvatar's decisions, as root admins, have nothing to do with NS but with the forum's security, ToS and rules. It was in that capacity that he has acted against Govindia's access over multiple IPs. As far as I am concerned, that's the end of it and the Court has no involvement in it.
Second: moving to a new location is a very serious thing, I doubt that any of those proposing it have ever performed or assisted a forum change. It may affect the region in a positive or a negative way. Members will surely be lost. Structures will be damaged.....and perhaps Osamafune will offer himself to be root admin. ::)
What really ticks me off is to see the determination of a handful of people to throw dirt on everything they see in Taijitu and that very few Taijituans seem to mind it. The fact that the administration is now accused of being corrupt is for me the cherry on the cake. May I ask the Supreme Court why this is allowed to go on in here? This administration has built and served Taijitu for over a year, it has set up our recruiting tool and helped grow our region and has secured a quiet and efficient management of the forums. Can anybody name a case when this administration should have been accused with anything, like it is the case in so many NS regions? Do we still have a community in here, or all the Osamafune-alikes allowed to speak how they please about anybody in this region?
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For the record, I have been involved in a forum move: The move of The North Pacific from s2 to s13 (as it was then). I would agree that there are inevitable losses involved.
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All of this discussion is fascinating, but it seems to me that things have once again stalled. Myroria has just filed a suit against Delfos, which by prior decisions of the court is completely valid. So before that gets lost in completely unrelated spam and nothing gets done I'm going to give the Court a week in which to act on it or I'll have to do something about it once again. I also don't think anything ever happened with Myroria's request concerning Baltija.
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please do not also forget my client PoD Gunner's complaint against Osamafune, dated 21st December 2007 and still not heard by the court.
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All of this discussion is fascinating, but it seems to me that things have once again stalled. Myroria has just filed a suit against Delfos, which by prior decisions of the court is completely valid. So before that gets lost in completely unrelated spam and nothing gets done I'm going to give the Court a week in which to act on it or I'll have to do something about it once again. I also don't think anything ever happened with Myroria's request concerning Baltija.
Actually it turns out that Balt's ban was overturned at some point by the administration and I don't think there is need for a trial to unban someone who is no longer banned
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Besides, Baltija has left NationStates after losing an RP war. I withdraw the original case, seeing as even if he comes back he's unbanned anyway. It seems a puppet nation was established by those he lost this RP war to, so I'm inquiring about where he is and why he quit.
But the case against Delfos still stands. This is atrocious.
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I, Garth Ebner/Myroria, do file a complaint against Delfos due to their violation of Article 1, Section 3 in sending IRC logs to other members against my consent which was to my detriment because my privacy was violated.
I would like to remind all of Taijitu that the Supreme Court is not the all-purpose policeman of this region. Trials are incredibly time-consuming and wasteful for all involved.
I strongly suggest that Myroria you go away and talk to Delfos, or an administrator or the delegate and try and find an amicable solution between yourselves.
If, and only if this is done, and there are no other options and you still feel that this relatively insignificant event warrants a trial, then I may consider it. I would also like to tell Flemingovia not to hurry the court and perhaps remind him of the time he posted personal IRC logs without my permission.
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I was not hurrying the court, just reminding it. This thread is now four pages long, and it is easy for single posts to be overlooked. The court is, of course, at liberty to take as long as it wishes to bring cases to trial.
I am not sure what logs Durnia is referring to, or the relevance to PoD Gunner vs Osamafune.
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I, Darius Kissinger, do file a complaint against Limitless Events due to their violation of limiting my free speech in restricting my message access which was to my detriment because I feel like I should have gotten a warning which I did not get, and furthermore I feel that he did not give a fair punishment for my actions.
In this Civil Proceeding I am petitioning for my access of sending messages back immediately and an apology letter from above entity.
Thank you and i don't have access to IRC from where I am at so group message me on any messenger you guys choose.
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First off you are not a citizen of the region are therefore are not protected by its laws. Your citizenship was legally removed along with many others 1 week after receiving a notification via PM that you needed to have a nation in the region.
Secondly, after looking through the database I have found evidence that you were warned by Pragmia to stop mass PMing people which is precisely what you did with the account "messagebot"
I have also heard from one member that thought the title used at the end of your mass PM made her believe you were a member of the gov't. Therefore if a suit is indeed brought against me I would like to file a countersuit against you for impersonating a government official
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Council of on-line affairs is a Rozarria-based operation, so therefore you have no case. Who is Pragmia by the way?
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Pragmia is an administrator on this forum and the only active justice
as for the title council of on-line affairs when it was used with the account messagebot it was enough to make a new member of the region believe you were part of the gov't
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Let's bring in to account she is a new member and how would she know if it was or wasn't a gov't official saying what the messagebot said. What is Pragmia's name at this point?
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I remove my complaint from the Docket.