Oath of Citizenship

[Bustos]

I still have objections to the "sober mind" bit.

it does go against the teachings of the most prominent religion in Taijitu.

...and those who choose to not be sober.

[Musitant]

I don't think the "sober mind" clause is telling people not to drink what they want to drink or smoke what they want to smoke or anything like that. If it said that, I think we'd all want it gone. 

As I understand it, it's just saying that one can't make the oath while drunk or high. The oath is a serious commitment and requires that the oath taker fully understand what it is they're committing to. That's my interpretation, at least.

[Delfos]

  

We need more of these, and they would be sad if you included "sober mind". Save them drunks!

[Bustos]

I don't think the "sober mind" clause is telling people not to drink what they want to drink or smoke what they want to smoke or anything like that. If it said that, I think we'd all want it gone. 

As I understand it, it's just saying that one can't make the oath while drunk or high. The oath is a serious commitment and requires that the oath taker fully understand what it is they're committing to. That's my interpretation, at least.

I do believe the three of us (al 'Khem, Delfos, and I) are just having some fun and poking at the wording.  Ignore us.   

[Khem]

Nope. Not poking fun. I seriously dislike the notion that one can not make rational decisions sans sobriety.

[Delfos]

yeah, and I'm looking out for our religion that forbids long periods of sober.

[Bustos]

You guys...     

[Myroria]

I, [forum name], in able mind and good conscience, hereby declare my loyalty to the Citizens' Democracy of Taijitu and to the principles of the Glorious Revolution. I swear to uphold the Constitution and the laws adopted by the Ecclesia. I recognize that should I break my oath I shall be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and my citizenship may be forfeit.

How does this edit appear to everyone?

[Cormac]

I, [forum name], in able mind and good conscience, hereby declare my loyalty to the Citizens' Democracy of Taijitu and to the principles of the Glorious Revolution. I swear to uphold the Constitution and the laws adopted by the Ecclesia. I recognize that should I break my oath I shall be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and my citizenship may be forfeit.

How does this edit appear to everyone?

I much prefer this language.

[Khem]

works for me.

[Delfos]

works for me.

[Allama]

I, [forum name], in able mind and good conscience, hereby declare my loyalty to the Citizens' Democracy of Taijitu and to the principles of the Glorious Revolution. I swear to uphold the Constitution and the laws adopted by the Ecclesia. I recognize that should I break my oath I shall be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and my citizenship may be forfeit.

How does this edit appear to everyone?

Wondiferous. I move that we put this to a vote.

[Cormac]

I, [forum name], in able mind and good conscience, hereby declare my loyalty to the Citizens' Democracy of Taijitu and to the principles of the Glorious Revolution. I swear to uphold the Constitution and the laws adopted by the Ecclesia. I recognize that should I break my oath I shall be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and my citizenship may be forfeit.

How does this edit appear to everyone?

Wondiferous. I move that we put this to a vote.

Seconded.

[Gulliver]

I like it, but "in able mind" sounds slightly off to me. I think "of able mind and in good conscious would be better:

I, ([forum name)] hereby [st]in sober[/st] [in]of able[/in] mind[st],[/st] and [in]in[/in] good conscious conscience, [in]do[/in] hereby declare my loyalty to the People Citizens' Democracy of Taijitu, and to the principles which our state is founded upon, those being Direct Democracy, and Egalitarianism, of the Glorious Revolution. I promise swear to respect and uphold, as both a Citizen and Member of the Ecclesia, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the Standing Ordinances of the Ecclesia and the Glorious Revolution, and the laws which are currently in effect, adopted by the Ecclesia. and I understand recognize that should I break my oath or any term dictated above I shall be prosecuted within to the fullest extent of the law and that my citizenship may be forfeit., in good conscience do I promise.

"Sound" might read better than "able" as well but I'm on the fence about that since it's nitpicky.

[Delfos]

I like it, but "in able mind" sounds slightly off to me. I think "of able mind and in good conscious would be better:

I, ([forum name)] hereby in sober of able mind, and in good conscious conscience, do hereby declare my loyalty to the People Citizens' Democracy of Taijitu, and to the principles which our state is founded upon, those being Direct Democracy, and Egalitarianism, of the Glorious Revolution. I promise swear to respect and uphold, as both a Citizen and Member of the Ecclesia, the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the Standing Ordinances of the Ecclesia and the Glorious Revolution, and the laws which are currently in effect, adopted by the Ecclesia. and I understand recognize that should I break my oath or any term dictated above I shall be prosecuted within to the fullest extent of the law and that my citizenship may be forfeit., in good conscience do I promise.

"Sound" might read better than "able" as well but I'm on the fence about that since it's nitpicky.

sound sounds good too, since this is clearly an alternative, you can put the alternatives in the vote, reserving a last one to Do not change the Oath of Citizenship, yet I wish there would also be an option to remove the Oath entirely.