IPO Meeting: Members at War.

[Delfos]

Some members of this PEACE organization are at war. This meeting is to define whether or not they are justified and acceptable by all our members.

Greater Canada is at war with Dysanii. Defending from Dysanii, the aggressor, In my nation's judgment is totally justified and acceptable.

The Empire of Inglo-Scotia is at war with Dysanii. For the known reasons, defending the PI allied, Greater Canada from the claws of Dysanii. I personally think this is justified to end the attacks from Dysanii, that is the aggressor nation, and broke the very small period of peace the continent witnessed.

But the real question is the Democratic States of America, that violated peace attacking C.S.S.Dixie. I do not yet clearly understand the reasons, but we think this is, if ever justifiable, never acceptable by the part of a current member of the International Peace Organization. And we request his appearance to this meeting to explain his reasons, and if the Ipod of DSA doesn't convince me, i want to propose sanctions against DSA.

[Pachamama]

I agree. Let us listen to his reasons.
To me it seems that the DSA is simply trying to cut itself a piece out of the cake while the continent is occupied with Dysanii`s agression. But let us hear him first."

[Cantr]

(OOC: This is being pulled from the other thread)

Expel me! For defending and protecting my people, for doing exactly what the government is supposed to do! You accept me to let Dysanii destroy my nation and kill millions of my people which he is doing. He is killing civilians. I tell you this. I am not a nieghbor who allows those around me to subjagate my people and kill those who have never done nothing wrong. If you think this is how nations should respond to threats and attacks, then may God be with you and your nation because only he will be able to save your nation if this happens to you. I will not bow to tyrannts, dictators or despots.

Peace, friend.  I was merely pointing out that we clearly hold some things more dear than peace, such as the freedoms of the people we have been entrusted with protecting.

As for DSA, if he is able to give a satisfactory justification and can back it up with solid evidence, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  One way or another, however, it appears the American continent is going to war.

[Aquatoria]

The Canadian delegate calmed himself. "I am sorry. This war has many of us on edge. DSA is not trying to retake the southern states which was usually their goal. I believe that they will try to place a more pro-DSA president in the CSSD and force them to leave PI. Thus accomplishing what they have orginally started out to do. He wants to control the CSSD, but not by readminting it back into the Union. Not yet, anyway.

[Osamafune]

<ooc>Out of curiosity, is your "take no prisoner" policy public knowledge ic?</ooc>

[Aquatoria]

ooc: Oh that. That is only happening because the stormtroopers have no place to take the prisoners. But the regualr forces will take prisoners. It isn't the government saying "kill them, they are evil." No, it is just individual soldiers taking that matter into their own hands (military realism).

[Cantr]

OOC: It wouldn't be war without the horrors of war, after all.

IC: Before I can make any conclusions as to what the IPO should do concerning its warring members we must first clearly state our objectives, and it cannot be something as vague and easily abused as "peace".

[Khem]

a rather frayed Bohemian woman stood.

 "after consulting with home it is in bohemia's belief that the DSA is at a wrong yet all the others should be excused. we move for sanctions against the DSA."

[Aquatoria]

I second that.

[Xyrael]

The Xyraeli representative, long quiet and unnoticed, largely uninterested with the petty musings of an international body, found himself forced to speak in the defense of the DSA.

"Perhaps the IPO serves it's own interests, or perhaps it is just a tool of Pax Imperium. Maybe it should note the situation DSA finds herself in. She is surrounded by enemies that have repeatedly taken her sanctity and dignity away at every opportunity. And now you wish to further impoverish her beleaguered besieged people with sanctions?! What other path can a cornered cat take other than to attack it's adversary with tooth and claw? This war in Canada is a matter of Pax Imperium, not a matter of the IPO. The very fact that the IPO has chosen to involve itself so soon after it's conception makes me wonder if this organization is dedicated to peace or to the status quo. The status quo being absolute Pax Imperium dominance."

"I motion that humanitarian aid should be given to assist the victims of the conflict and instability of the American continent. And to this end, I am against sanctions of any nation on the continent. This body should find a more meaningful way to stop war, starving people and destroying their way of life is cultural genocide, not peace."

"As for the DSA's declaration of war, the Illuminate is extremely dissatisfied with the DSA's lack of regard for the welfare of her people. We would like to ask the DSA to reconsider her declaration, and instead work to foster a safer society. Perhaps, to this end, the Illuminate can assist in the reconstruction of the DSA economy."

[Pachamama]

Actually we need not discuss this point.
The International PEACE organization is what it is.
"It's motives and goals are outlined in the founding charter."

To create a safe and nurturing environment for the social, economic, and cultural development of every nation in Taijitu.

"And peace is neither vague nor is it easily abused.
For instance peace is clearly defined as the absence of war.
Absence of war and thus peace does mean that you are not waking up to the sound of bombs rocking your city, that you don't have to fear being shot on your way to the backers by men in uniforms. That you are not living in a city that gets turned into ruble more and more every hour and that people are not dying by the thousands in minutes.
And I believe that the thing most abused in Taijitu is war. Ours is a world were people fight wars without reason.
Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living.
And frankly  EVERY war is a matter of the IPO otherwise if we just pick the wars in the members interests then we might as well dissolve this organization as we will be unable to function anyway.
Also I have no proof that the DSA ever tried to dissolve it's problems with it's neighbors in a diplomatic way.

However I will support the Xyraeli delegates motion that we ask the DSA to reconsider and possibly withdraw it's declaration.
Sanctions at this moment would just give the DSA another reason for this war. Namely to supply it's people with resources by war instead of trade.

However it can not be the mission of this organization to change political systems or fight against political systems.

[Delfos]

Yuri: "Be frank, if DSA had enemies all around him, either be friends with them or join them. Breaking the peace for that excuse is pointless. But yet, i haven't heard DSA Delegate excusing his own country with any motive. If he doesn't show up soon i will propose immediate sanctions.

Xyraeli Delegate, i want to clearly say, we are doing our best to distinguish our neutrality. We might want to blame the fact we have such large number of PIs in our organization, but yet our non-PI peers are holding the neutrality factor."

[Union]

Solving problems with war is the lowliest enterprise undertaken by any nation, no matter what the justifications. It appears the DSA government lacks any real interests or motivation to peacefully solve its issues. They value their national pride over the lives of people. Is the President not promoting the death of his people through initiating a war?

As such, I am asking all IPO members to impose sanctions onto the DSA, limiting all war-related materials to the country until DSA finds the sense to end this pathetic excuse of national revival.

edit: opps :p

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ooc: You guys think we should send Winter Shield to Dixie's border?

[Delfos]

ooc: yes. and Loyan, that's what Canada said, not DSA.

[Cantr]

Your non-PI peers are ignored.  Your reaction to Xyrael is proof of this.  I get the feeling that the IPO may, in fact, just be a tool of the PI to protect their members interests while speaking of such high ideals as world peace and happiness.

I say again, if peace is truly your only objective, why have you not told Canada to step down and submit to Dysanii?  There must be more to this organization than peace.

OOC: Yes, this might be a good chance to make use of our Winter Shield preparations, and we should be able to use them immediately.