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Author Topic: IPO Meeting: Members at War.  (Read 2194 times)

Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO Meeting: Members at War.
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 04:45:20 PM »
So I wonder what Cantrs interest is in Dysanii taking over Canada.
Actually the promotion of peace does not mean that any country will be denied it's right to self defense in the case of an unjustified attack.
And to me it looks that the aggressors here are Dysannii and the DSA simply acting out of a desire to enlarge their territories.
Actually there is a need to  employ some common sense in all these matters.
Maybe Cantr should send a more mature delegate with a bit more reality in his mind.
Not a bureaucrat who is unable to thing outside of the envelope of what is written down or has yet to be written down.
This is about peace and not about changing political systems. We want peace between both nations. Not a victory for anyone.
The DSA attack was uncalled for and to my knowledge no attempt was made by the DSA to solve their differences any other way then by war.
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Offline Delfos

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Re: IPO Meeting: Members at War.
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 05:22:50 PM »
"Your antagonizing speech is very welcomed, but Canada is defending itself from an aggressor, we promote peace, we don't have to subject ourselves to any aggressor. In fact, we wanted to stop this war between Canada and Dysanii, but we didn't have a Peace Keeping force ready for action, now we do, that's why we want to deploy them to CSSD.
I respect your view that, to preserve peace, we must subject ourselves to whoever is stronger, but that will never happen while there's sovereignty in a nation. That's exactly why this organization exists, to unite the civilized world, and to resolve conflicts with diplomacy.
In a side note: I would say democracy too, but some of our member nations do not practice democratic ways.
That is why it is unacceptable that a current member breaks peace to get ride of some unwanted neighbor, but that is why we must discuss about it. Will we ever let this happen again? Will we expel those who do not follow the vow of this organization? Shall we marginalize such marginal nations or members?

If PI is dominant in this organization is not exactly anyone's fault, but probably everyone's fault. I hope that from now on, no nation will be allowed in our organization if the majority is not willing to let him come. But we shouldn't discriminate any nation just because it is member of some other group, as in this example, PI. The current administration is PI, maybe tomorrow will not be PI. You accuse IPOrg of discrimination in favor of PI, but Pandora prooves exactly the opposite, while myself wouldn't like the protection of interests to happen, Pandora stopped the deployment of Peace Forces to Canada, because it wouldn't make any sense. Now we have a new ground to cover, and we are ready, so please vote FOR in the IPO vote: Winter Shield."

Offline Cantr

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Re: IPO Meeting: Members at War.
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 06:15:48 PM »
Are you all deaf?!?  I have said over and over again that peace cannot be our only objective because if it were, it would be Canada's duty to allow itself to be overrun by Dysanii.  At no point did I say that Canada should actually allow this!  I merely stated that peace as our only objective is quite obviously ludicrous as if it were, we would never fight a war under any circumstances!  I call for a charter simply so that we can set, in stone, what exactly we do seek to achieve.  World peace is obviously not our only objective, or at least it is not Canda's.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO Meeting: Members at War.
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2007, 06:34:49 PM »
Then I may state what ma esteemed colleague from Delfos has already said. That we make it our goal to assure peace by helping countries to solve their problems in diplomatic ways as a neutral third party they can come forward to for assistance.
And also as a common ground to reduce the chances for war by helping countries to find common grounds and by battling the reasons for war like poverty and opression. But not by making more wars.
If the DSA delegate would be so kind as to explain his countries actions and we might find a non violent solution.
If he is willing to talk to CSSD than we might assist him in that endeavor.
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Re: IPO Meeting: Members at War.
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 07:05:11 PM »
The problem is that the time for talk was over and done with a while ago. I sent a message to the Dysanii government calling for a peace conference to discuss terms before war happened. I was turned away. So we have seen fit that if Dysanii doesn't want to talk, then we will not talk. We will act. And also we have a hostile nieghbor to the south. If we stand down to Dysanii terms than the DSA will take that for weakness and press another attack and thus enter our nation into his Democratic Union. We will talk again when the Canadian army is camped out in front of the Dysanii Parliament Building.
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Offline Xyrael

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Re: IPO Meeting: Members at War.
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2007, 07:37:41 PM »
The benign Emperor will not cow-toe to authoritarian dictations of the spokeperson for the IPO with concerns to the sanctions imposed upon the DSA. Either hold a democratic election, or the Illuminate will withdraw itself from this fascist, war-mongering organization.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2007, 07:39:24 PM by Xyrael »
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