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Offline St Oz

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #90 on: July 09, 2007, 05:04:15 PM »
Admivi Melissa only chuckled, despite the fact she was Half Ozian-Half Inglish they could see her Maroon eyes, "What doesn't give me the right to walk in here and throw around letters. Of course you'll listen to them and I'm not here to be Civilized. Being Civilized and coming to means only hurts everyone, I say we hurt only those who are responsible. As to your additional suggestions I do believe a financial compensation for Llanydern and other nations will be a great idea, we can sketch it in the new proposal."

"The fact of the matter is this, those colonies can't govern themselves and if Dysanii People live there they can easily just go back to the control of Dysanii. How is there any possibility that a colony such as Metz Minor with about 50 million people surged at it in a few years can farm enough food, have enough supplies, or have money to do anything. The fact is, they will crumble! The Dysanii infestation has to leave the colonies so we can preserve order on this side of the world. Do you not see? Unless we clear this side of the world of the Imperialist Scumbags such as the nations of Dysanii and Myroria, you all won't find the peace that you all search for! Total Victory my friends! Total Victory."

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #91 on: July 09, 2007, 05:15:35 PM »
Talman Yar turned to face the assembly.
“Honored representatives”. The Foreign Minister said.
“As far as I understand it Myroria has allowed Dyzanii to create a foothold on Easteros by selling them part of their land so as to make a profit.
Then Dyzanii started a war and Myroria again profited from their need for weapons and soldiers.
What if this has been planned  from the start. If they had been successful they could have secured Llanydern and other parts of Easteros with the help, or rather with the sacrifice, of Dysanii lives. If their plan failed then they could get Dysanii,   simply by paying a few buck´s and for the promise of peace for the nations of Easteros. And the repeated statement of the fact that Dysanii has valuable soil for Myrorian crop production points toward this.
Also let  us take a look on the map and compare both. The size and arable land of the area they gave to Dysanii and will loose and what they will gain in comparison from the country of Dysanii itself. To me this looks like a win-win situation for Myroria. With the UASS being the looser and Dysanii twice betrayed.
Also if the Myrorians are such a capitalistic people, as some of you have stated, then they may have taken everything into account, so even trough the compensations  they , compared to their gain they may have little loss.
Also I am here as a mere observer, in the light of the facts given I agree with the Mor`Os and Oznian representatives.
The people of Dysanii have suffered enough under their leadership. Let them not suffer under yours now and turn that suffering into hatred.”
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #92 on: July 09, 2007, 05:21:27 PM »
"Admivi Melissa, i have to say i quite enjoy your idea's the best so far. any idiot could see that they need to be deported from metz minor and that compensation needs to be given. my nation came with only two demands and your proposal meets them both quite well. fuck the myrorians, fuck the dysaniis and keep them out of easteros. those were my orders which fit perfectly with your proposal, i support this."

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #93 on: July 09, 2007, 05:56:34 PM »
OOC: Metz Minor is 100% Dysaniian. It was colonised, not invaded. Deporting the people from there would mean deporting every single person on that island back to Dysanii...a costly project, I would think (and no, I doubt Dysanii would pay for it, as it is far from beaten...it merely surrendered Southern Ryazania, its imperial armies and ecomony are still strong and intact). That would also lead to troubles in Dysanii proper, as comparatively its land mass is tiny (some nations are twice the size and have a few hundred million pop., whereas Dysanii has 2.2 billion) leading to overcrowding. As for Myrorian control of Dysanii, should Myroria take control it was have at its disposal roughly the same population as its own (therefore doubling its population), a large modern and well-trained army (increasing its armed forces) and a modern, rich nation untouched by war. Along with this, you can't expect the Dysanii people, nationalist and full of pride, to let a foreign power, who has stabbed them in the back, to take control and pay-off nations with Dysaniian money...realistically, that would lead to a Dysaniian uprising, which, with such weapons and numbers with them, the Dysaniian people would win. Those are just suggestions though, as formally I am not playing NS and am only/will only be online rarely. 
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #94 on: July 09, 2007, 06:14:32 PM »
"Imperialist scumbags? What about your invasion of Moacia? The people's virtual genocide? Should we really be taking orders from a nation which is clearly ruled by incompetant and insane leaders?"
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #95 on: July 09, 2007, 06:24:00 PM »
ooc: Sorry about that Dysanii, didn't know.

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Her grin turned to a frown, "Do you really know anything about Moacia, they are second worst to the Da'zhi! How dare you insult the Most divine of my People! The Moaci people and the Ozian people have been at war for centuries. It was finally about two years ago that the Ozians overcame the Moaci and we became dominant in the trades of the Ozian Arctic! They raided us when we were still new to the area and so we retaliated by taking over their lands. Soon however there was a bloody trench war which resulted in a line in the dead center of current day St Oz. The Land we took is our land and not of the Moaci for we won it honorably. As of two years ago we finally made great progress in holding the Moaci peoples and killed all those who opposed the Blue Army and Res'shev. Every moment you anger me, puny Myrorian, I'm closer to attacking your armies on this side of Taijitu! Get yourself straight up Myrorian, you are in no way shape or form at the positive end of this agreement. I suggest you rethink your policies for Myroria is not at the winning end of this conflict."

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #96 on: July 09, 2007, 06:43:51 PM »
"Finefinefine. Whatever, we'll sign your agreement. We'll stay out of Metz Minor and Southern Ryazania and pay you your dues if - and only if - we are allowed in Dysanii proper."
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #97 on: July 09, 2007, 06:45:25 PM »
"I could care less about Dysanii Proper."

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #98 on: July 09, 2007, 06:47:37 PM »
"Good. Then it all reality, this isn't much different from what we proposed originally, except the communists don't get their hands on Ryazania; it's free."
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #99 on: July 09, 2007, 07:05:16 PM »
"So Myroria actually wins this war and has his plans go on undisturbed and as a full success"
Yar said turning to the Oznian representative.
He cursed himself for not biting his tongue but it already was to late for that.
"Were is your strong stance now. You were so mighty when you entered, demanding that the Dysanii fall not under control of Myroria"
"In my country the hunters in the jungles say that even so you can not see if you hit your prey you can tell by it`s howl. So here do we have a hit?
I was in support of your proposal and I still am.But not if you are willing to let go of it yourself. Myroria should pay for all war expenses. Even those of the Dysanii and pay for those soldiers crippled in this war.The Dysanii were mere pawns in this game"
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #100 on: July 09, 2007, 07:21:07 PM »
"I could care less about the Dysanii peoples, Myroria is going to pay the penalty and it will be at a costly price, I'm surprised he's even sending any troops at such a cost he's agreed to. Besides we don't have forests where I come from, only vast amounts of Wasteland. Myroria does not achieve full success, I don't find paying so many countries so much money a great success. An agreement as such can cripple the Government of Myroria's Pay check. The costs he has to pay will probably go in the Trillions. The difference between the Ozian proposal and the previous is the Ozian proposal comes at a greater cost for Myroria. I know for sure Myroria will be paying for all the costs to rebuild including the payment of moving all the Dysanii out of Metz Minor. If they can't pay for their deportations I'm sure the Sancta will think of cheaper, deadlier means. As the Myrorian said before about Moacia, I was on the front lines of that war, such a bloody war, Our Staii, missiles, cannons have destroyed whole cities, burned whole islands, and destroyed whole populations. The Death toll is still uncertain in the Ozian-Moacian Wars but throughout the years we're sure it has amounted to at least 100 million last year. We are not afraid to deport the peoples by force and any revolts have always resulted into a city's destruction. We accept nothing but Total Victory of the Dysanii."

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2007, 07:34:15 PM »
OOC: You meant "over" the Dysanii :D


"So be it" Minister Yar said. " As I said I support your previous proposal. And I think I can say that we will offer to help in their return to their homeland. There will be no need in killing those people.
I believe that you are well aware of how easy it is to manipulate the mind of the common men into believing that following the stupid ideas of his government is the right thing to do. And I can only guess that you may have done so in the past too. So I see no need in punishing those who were led into this contraption by their leaders."

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #102 on: July 09, 2007, 08:57:02 PM »
OOC: way to expand a thread.

IC: "The only bit of this proposal that I disagree with is the one that grants the Southern Ryazanians immediate, unconditional independence.  Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with this, but I object to a group of diplomats, none of whom represent the Southern Ryazanians, deciding their fate.  Let them vote in a plebiscite.

"Obviously, Dysanii wouldn't be an option, but they should have the option to choose between an independent existence, incorporation into Llanydern, incorporation into Myroria, or even the dissolusion of their State."


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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #103 on: July 09, 2007, 09:15:21 PM »
OOC: What do you expect from a peace summit of this magnitude. We can be happy if we get out of this thread before we all end up old men in wheelchairs. ;D

"Then they also should vote if they want immediate Independence, or a co-operation with other states until they can stand on their own. Granting them full independence now would be like dropping them into the abyss."
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #104 on: July 09, 2007, 10:19:10 PM »
"Sounds like the most sensible agreement to me."