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Title: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 07, 2007, 11:34:54 PM
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To: All nations engaged in peacekeeping or military missions in Southern Ryazania
From: Saletsia

We hereby invite delegates from the nations interested in peace in Eastern Easteros to a conference in a Saletsian base in Llanydern in order to discuss the future of Southern Ryazania and to discuss a roadmap to a long-lasting and stable peace. Other nations willing to send humanitarian or peacekeeping aid are also welcome to attend the summit.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 08, 2007, 01:45:04 AM
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Myroria will not give up any of our land. Our offer to pay the UASS in weapons is still up for grabs. Myroria cannot be taken down like Dysanii. You're dealing with a well-funded, capitalist armed forces of over 350 million.

We offer to give the UASS weapons equal to the monetary value we paid for Southern Ryazania, or 300 billion Kolonialreich marks.

Meneldur Tar-Ilium.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 08, 2007, 01:52:38 AM
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To: All nations engaged in peacekeeping or military missions in Southern Ryazania
From: President Delfos

1st I accept the invitation, as active member of UASS in Southeast of Ryazania. But I want you all to declare diplomatic immunity to anyone in 10km radius around the mentioned Saletsian Base in Llanydern and any diplomat that is going to assist it either in Ryazania or Llanydern.

Here i declare that Delfian forces will never target diplomats or enter the Saletsian Base with offensive intentions, giving all diplomats a diplomatic immunity from Delfian military forces.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 08, 2007, 01:54:40 AM
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To: Mendelur Tar-Ilium.

The UASS will not be bought off by weapons.  Quite apart from the fact that we are an alliance dedicated to peace, we simply do not need them.  We are perfectly capable of defending ourselves.  Moreover, we will not tolerate a Myrorian colony on Easteros, and any settlement in which you keep any territory on that continent will not be agreed to by the UASS.

As to your army, good luck getting it to Easteros.  Dysanii was able to mobilize millions of men in Southern Ryazania, whereas you will require much of your army to stay in Myroria as an insurance that no UASS nation invades in its absence.  Your coastline is long.  Our offer still stands, as you are well aware.

Aram Caros, Foreign Relations Committee chairman, Gallipoli-china

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To: Saletsia

Our forces recently left southern Ryazania, but we claim the right to be represented based on our participation in the war and because Gallipoli-China is a member of the UASS.

Aram Caros Foreign Relations Committee chairman, Gallipoli-china
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 08, 2007, 02:04:47 AM
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To: Aram Caros Foreign Relations Committee chairman, Gallipoli-china
From: General Lawin

Our comrades are of course welcome.

OOC: just RP your guys arriving.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 08, 2007, 02:07:46 AM
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I am feeling generous. I will split Southern Ryazania in half and give a ten kilometer DMV between the sections, and you will pay me 150 billion KRM - or, roughly half of your original offer.

Meneldur Tar-Ilium
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 08, 2007, 02:17:04 AM
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To: Mendelur Tar-Ilium

Perhaps the actual terms could be better discussed in person.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 08, 2007, 02:18:13 AM
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Very well, I will send my sister Emma to attend.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 08, 2007, 02:23:15 AM
ooc: poor sister has to come instead of you?
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 08, 2007, 02:28:34 AM
General Lawin had a room in a military base prepared for the summit. Guards were around to ensure the safety of the foreign diplomats. Vice-President Moshe Elmert arrived minutes ago and was having a short break in his personal room.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 08, 2007, 02:30:39 AM
OOC: What if you try to kill me?

On that thought, I should have sent Ælar. He's like Peté, and Emma is like Fredrika. I'd much rather have some budding mastermind criminal die than a little Fredrika.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 08, 2007, 02:35:30 AM
OOC: I'm not gonna kill your diplomat O:-)  :-P

anyways, good night..I'm off to dreamland..lol
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 08, 2007, 02:46:20 AM
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The Loyalist Republic will send Assistant Maja Rian of the Loyalist General Staff to attend the peace summit. We are determine to restore peace to the region and ensure that the South Ryazzians are provided for. 
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 08, 2007, 05:57:40 AM
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Though the Empire's involvement in this conflict was brief, it existed none the less, and we do now have a significant portion of our military now stationed in the region as a result. Furthermore we are deeply interested in the final resolution and outcome of this conflict. Thus you can expect none other than the Minister of Foreign Affairs Manzhī Tadom in person to address this. I pray that this session of diplomacy will prove productive.

Osmar Anson Dalēn

Minister Tadom shifted uncomfortably in his seat. For all his love and support of his Emperor, the pace at which they were flying into this brave new world was leaving him slightly ill,  now more than ever. The principle that humans could accomplish flight through great big contraptions of iron and steel seemed a bit absurd. If man were to fly, it would be through something light and lofty, something which floated. Metal clearly did not float. Clearly, the stuff sank straight to the bottom if you placed it in the water. But no, it seemed that it was not enough madness that great big ships the size of a village could be built entirely from the stuff and not sink as it should. Now it was lifting of the ground itself and into the sky, free as a bird. It had to be an illusion, one which would eventually give out. And when it did, well, Tadom did want to think about the results of the fall. All he was certain of was that it would be quite messy to say the least. Relief flooded into him as the plane finally touched down, and he nearly tripped over himself rushing out of the plane to set his feet on solid ground.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 08, 2007, 10:01:28 AM
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To: All nations engaged in peacekeeping or military missions in Southern Ryazania
From: Saletsia

We hereby invite delegates from the nations interested in peace in Eastern Easteros to a conference in a Saletsian base in Llanydern in order to discuss the future of Southern Ryazania and to discuss a roadmap to a long-lasting and stable peace. Other nations willing to send humanitarian or peacekeeping aid are also welcome to attend the summit.

Due to the importance of this meeting the Terrangan government would like to attend and send the Foreign Minister Talman Yar in person together with his aide and one adviser as observers for our country.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Acle on July 08, 2007, 11:06:09 AM
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To: Saletsia
From: Samuel frint - Prime Speaker of Acle

I will be sending Adam Sith and several of his aides to this meeting. There will be no weapons as i believe that this would be a bad omen for a peace conference.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 08, 2007, 11:55:08 AM
Maja looks out the window of her train car, the tranquil landscape of Llanydern flying across. She looks back to her watch...it was five hours since she departed from White Hart, and her bottom was sore from the long ride. It be another hour before she reaches the Saletsian base to discuss a unlikely peace with the Imperialists. What a lost cause her superiors has assigned her....pacifying these warmongering foreigners.

Perhaps Heaven will pass on a miracle...
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 08, 2007, 03:25:31 PM
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To: Saletsia
From: König Samuel Gottlieb

As my Capitalist friends have convinced me, the Government of Talstadt will be sending Adolf Schlagt, head of the Royalist Partei, and Mikeal Schlangdorf, head of the Capitalist Partei, as representatives.

Thank you for presenting this opportunity.

König Samuel Gottlieb
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 08, 2007, 05:16:48 PM
Emma carefully opened the manila envelope she was holding, made sure no one was behind her on the plane, and read it.

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Dear Sister,

Do not, under any circumstances, sell all of Southern Ryazania. You may accept one of the following:

Selling half of Ryazania for half of the price the UASS offered.

or

Giving all of Ryazania in exchange for free and unhindered conquest of Dysanii and Metz Minor. Metz Minor will then be given to Ozia in exchange for them to call off their forces and not attempt to stop the future expansion of Dysanii to make it the size of what we originally purchased (i.e., expanding Dysanii Proper to include the amount of land we gave to Ozia).

If the UASS refuses these and wants all of Ryazania for the ~300 billion KRM they offered, refuse and leave the meeting immediately. I do not want to have the House Hanso and Quarrovth coerce me into declaring nuclear war because you've been killed. I will see you soon.

Familial Love,

Meneldur.

Emma slipped the paper back into the envelope and waited for the plane to land.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 08, 2007, 05:38:22 PM
Vice-President Moshe Elmert read all the letters sent to him as a response and also replied welcoming all of the foreign envoys.
He then entered the conference room - that was strictly a weapon-free area - and waited for the delegates to arrive.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 08, 2007, 09:23:07 PM
Ahab Khachaturian had slept through the flight to Southern Ryazania.  After all, there was no point in staying awake to watch the never-changing sea float by below him.  An he had learned from past experience that reading his instructions over and over gave him a migraine.  He had read them once after boarding, and had left them in his case for the rest of the flight.

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Comrade Khachaturian, you are to do your utmost to prevent any Myrorian presence on Easteros.  Do not bother reiterating the original offer of 263 Kolonialriechmarks for the territory.  That offer has been declined and there is no reason it will be accepted now.  If they leave you an opening, take it.

Aram Caros

He was shaken awake by the bumping of the plane on the military runway designed to accomidate far more rugged craft than his small jet.  Straightening his suit, he stepped out of the plane and waited to be guided to the site of the meeting.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 08, 2007, 10:28:23 PM
A Saletsian sergeant hurried to the Gallipoli-Chinese diplomat.

"Welcome sir, please follow me."

He then escorted Ahab Khachaturian to the conference room.

"Here is the conference room, sir. I can't come in because of strict ban of weapons. Have a nice day."

He then opened the door and Vice-President Moshe Elmert saw the diplomat.

"Ah welcome..welcome." He stood up and shook the hand of Ahab Khachaturian. "Please take a seat. Here's a drink..." Then he took a seat.
"So far, you're the first to arrive. I'm glad to see you here and hope we can all finally resolve this conflict..."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Acle on July 08, 2007, 10:34:28 PM
Adam Sith's private jet touched down on the runway and taxied to its allocated position. He was nervous about what was about to happen as he was newly appointed to his position and he had never attended a conference on such a scale before. He walked out of his plane and waited for some guidance to where the meeting is to take place.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 08, 2007, 10:43:01 PM
The A400M transport of the Terrangar defence force touched down at the runway.
The huge aircraft towered over the number of small private jets and fell out of place with it´s  somewhat menacing  camouflage paint.
Too menacing for the taste of Minister Talman Yar . He would have liked to arrive in a more civil manner, but this aircraft was the only one with enough range to make it to the conference.
He was quite anxious. he never before had been out of his country on a mission of such magnitude and never before had he attended such a meeting.
He was fully aware what was at stake here.
He had to do the best he could for his countries interests. And his countries foremost interest was peace in this region.
He took a deep breath and started to walk down the ramp.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 08, 2007, 11:12:24 PM
occ: seems people fancy the A400M.

Birkov Fortress landed on South Ryaz nearby the Delfian zone, after a small parade and few awards and announcements, President Delfos was transported to the Peace Summit by NDRA.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 08, 2007, 11:42:08 PM
The sergeant passing the honor guards that have greeted the Gallipoli-Chinese in the same manner as all other diplomats now went to the other delegates and escorted them to the conference room.
In the room, Vice-President Moshe Elmert greeted everyone personally and showed them their seats.

"I apologize for it but it seems we still have to wait for the other delegates...We have a bar if someone wants a drink and a meals will be served at appropriate times. We also have a suite for everyone in case the summit takes longer than expected."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 12:12:34 AM
The private jet screeched to a slow halt on the runway and extended its stairway. Emma got into a rental car and was driven to the conference building.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 09, 2007, 12:43:39 AM
Richard Black arrived to the conference via a rather beat down looking old yellow cab, he stepped out handing the driver a large wad of cash and walked into the building. he lit a cigarette and passed off his rifle to security.

"richard black, uichi ryan representative. make sure no one else gets anything by you, if you do i'll be killing you myself."

he continued walking into the conference all attitude and hangover...
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 12:52:59 AM
Moshe welcomed the new guests and showed them their seats.

"Gentlemen and ladies, I believe we can start now. Here is a map of Southern Ryazania", he points at a map.
"Now let us start hearing the different views on how to solve this problem. I would like to ask the Myrorian delegate to start."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 01:03:54 AM
"Meneldur gave me two options to tell you: The UASS allows us to take over Dysanii and Metz Minor without incident, and we give you Southern Ryazania. Otherwise, we'll let you buy half of it for half of your original offer."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 09, 2007, 01:26:28 AM
"you can tell your brother to go fuck himself if thats all he is willing to offer. i for one am not going to allow the Pellagian Empire to set its dirty claws on Easteros. but hey thats just my opinion, anyone else?"  he blew smoke directly at Emma.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 01:27:28 AM
"Both of those," said Tadom, speaking up from his seat where he had remained quiet and out of the way since he had first arrived until now, "Are not acceptable in the view of the Empire. When Southern Ryazania was held by Dysanii, it was used to launch a senseless and unprovoked war of aggression. During that war your government was clearly sympathetic to their corrupt cause, by providing them money and soldiers, by taking their land under your protection. If any of it remains in your government's control, nothing has changed. The same... influences and objectives shown to be so wicked by Dysanii are rife with you as well, we can see this from your actions in this war. To allow you to remain would simply allow the endangerment and abuse of those attacked to continue, and nothing will have been resolved. And to allow you to seize control of a sovereign government with no provocation... even Dysanii... that is simply unacceptable for good reasons. For now, I and the Empire will accept nothing less than the complete withdrawal of both Dysanii and Myrorian influences from Ryazania. They have already shown all so well that they cannot be trusted with it."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 01:41:49 AM
"Well I have to agree with them", looking at PUR's and Mor'os's delegates.
"Right now Southern Ryazania is virtually under UASS control and the control of other peacekeeping nations...I cannot understand how the Myrorian crown even thinks it is in the position to state any claims on it...Anyways, let us first hear all possible solutions and then start a discussion. I would like to ask the Mor'osi delegate to state his nation's opinion on how this may be solved."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 09, 2007, 01:42:13 AM
"The Easteros just doesn't belong to the 'dirty claws', hence why we are supporting PUR. We also condemn the discrimination led by Myrorians to Delfians, we can never allow any culture like that owning more land where they can practice more horrible acts."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 01:46:48 AM
"Fine then. We will give Southern Ryazania to UASS control - free of charge no less - in exchange for you not interfering with a Myrorian annexation of Dysanii proper. You get your communist Easteros and your disarmed Dysanii, I get good plantation land, and the people of Dysanii get the lesser of two evils. At least I'd assume they'd prefer not to be annexed by their enemies."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 01:55:06 AM
"At least I can say, Saletsia never planned to annex Dysanii."

OOC: Is Dysanii giving up on NS?
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 01:56:08 AM
OOC: Yes.

IC:

"Then it should be no problem, should it?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 01:57:08 AM
"Well, this may surprise you..." said Tadom slowly, feeling an unusual annoyance and anger building in him, "I think the people of Dysanii would enjoy even more if they were not annexed at all. Especially by the likes of you. Mor'os has had the experience of 2000 years of your brand of governance and rule, and during that period the country and its people suffered greatly. It would be a failure of our duty to Heaven to allow anyone else to be subject to the same when we possess the capability to stop it from occurring. Just look at yourself now... you are shamelessly discussing publicly your plans to stab in the back people who were only seconds ago your friends. Precisely the kind of behavior I would expect from an Ar government, native or foreign. And," continued Tadom, turning to the Salestian representative, "I believe I have already stated our solution. Myroria leaves, simple as that, and relinquishes all claims to Southern Ryazania. I do not think that they are in much of a position to make demands, their hollow threats not withstanding."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 02:02:02 AM
"Thank you, Mr. Tadom for your view. Though this is Myroria offering to leave all of Easteros and in exchange wants Dysanii." Then Moshe turned to the Myrorian representative: "Will Dysanii have an autonomous government or will it directly be under Myrorian control and politics?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:05:18 AM
"Tadom, I am not a very smart woman. But I am not a dumb one either. My mother's relatives - my uncles, my grandparents, her friends - suffered and died under the regime of a man who promised democracy. They fought and died to bring back their way of life against the will of a cunning, but insane man who wanted nothing more than a chokehold on Myroria. This man was Julius Belsen, and he would put Stephen Crofts to shame. By God, I will not allow that to happen to the people of Dysanii! Myroria will withdraw from Southern Ryazania, I will see to that, but it will not relinquish its land, its people, without compensation. My offer still stands."

"And, Moshe, it will be autonomous, much as Southern Ryazania was planned to be. Dysanii will keep its culture and its way of life, but it will simply be ruled by a different monarch."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 02:11:09 AM
Moshe thought a bit about the Myrorian offer...

"I personally think this may be a reasonable solution. I'm sorry to say this, Mr. Tadom but if the autonomy of the people of Dysanii still is guaranteed with the head of state the only thing changing, I do not really see much of a problem...Though let us wait and listen to what others have to say."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:11:09 AM
"Nor am I an idiot madame," said Tadom coolly. "What you just said, it is exactly the kind of talk that I expect to hear from you. This arrogance, this pride...it represents everything that would befall Dysanii or Southern Ryazania and its people were Myroria allowed either one. And for the last time,  we will not, no matter how many times you say it, no matter how much false "autonomy", as if your word were something that could be trusted anyway, which as I have just pointed out  before it cannot be, we will not allow Myroria to spread its influence in any form or fashion. So you can drop that offer now, because it won't be accepted. And Mister Moshe..." said Tadom, speaking with just as much disdain towards him as he had given Emma, "If you think allowing a nation that sympathizes with aggressive invaders who seek only death and destruction, only to betray and stab them in the back at the slightest chance of gain, to run willy nilly and be given anything they want...then Heaven knows what kind of perverted fantasy world you live in."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:13:21 AM
"If getting worked up about my family dying is arrogant and prideful, by all means, call me that. But, I will not drop my offer. Perhaps you are the arrogant one for making sweeping generalizations and refusing any actual negotation?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:16:27 AM
"Oh, I am trying to negotiate. There is  a difference between negotiation though and sacrificing every moral standard and sense of decency that you possess. I will not betray the values of myself or of the Empire, especially not if it involves pandering to you and your interests blindly."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:17:27 AM
"Your negotiation is 'Withdraw from Southern Ryazania or die'. Where I come from, that's not negotiation."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 02:19:51 AM
"Mr. Tadom. The peverted world you call I live in is the system of democracy: a system of compromise. My opinion is not yet the official stance of my government, but our goal is to find a peaceful solution to end this conflict. As for Dysanii, we are officially still at war with the Empire...I will have to hear what my allies say and what the other peacekeeping nations say, since this is not only a Mor'osi-Myrorian-UASS summit."

OOC: off to bed..cya :P

Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:20:45 AM
"Nor do I see where you get off sympathizing with clearly aggressive nations who launch wars without justification or claiming that you have the right to annex whatever nation that you please. Those are just things which any respectable nation just does not do. Am I to believe then that Mor'os should negotiate with its thieves and murderers rather than enforcing the law and seeing that they are not allowed to commit criminal acts?

"And Mister Moshe, I already told you that there are some standards which cannot be compromised."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:24:03 AM
"If it means the horrors of war for neither side, then yes, I sure as hell would."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:26:41 AM
"Horrors of war? That sure didn't seem to be a concern for you when you sent of troops to Dysanii, helping to prolong that conflict and add to the death toll. War apparently is fine and dandy so long as it doesn't involve you. And though war should be avoided, if avoiding it means allowing the likes of you to run rampant and do as they please that is far too high a cost for peace, and it would be a rather poor excuse for peace as well."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 02:30:52 AM
"What is Myroria's reason for Dysanii's annexation? Is this just another move for imperialism's sake or is there a reason we do not know?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 02:32:47 AM
As the Mor and Myro representative argue over their points, Maja leaned towards the Saletsian representative and whisper.
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Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 02:34:54 AM
Moshe whispered back to Maja after considering her idea:
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Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:35:41 AM
"The war was already occuring when we bought Southern Ryazania. Thus, any attempt to stop the horrors of war wouldn't be profitable. If they used the weapons we gave them to start the war, then yes, you'd have a point, I'd be a hypocrite. However, the people of all nations involved were already exposed to war at the time Myroria bought Ryazania. Myroria, being capitalist, always looks for a profit. And this was a profit."

"And Saletsia - Dysanii has been persued because we find the cause of fighting a war in Easteros useless at this point. A peace settlement in which we could buy Dysanii - which is roughly the same size as Southern Ryazania - would provide us with better land for us to grow our crops, and we would avoid conflict in the process."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 02:37:43 AM
"I currently have no objections to Myroria's proposal as long as the safety and welfare of the people of Dysanii are guaranteed."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 02:38:16 AM
"If we were to allow you to have Metz Minor, will you being willing to make it a demilitarized zone? Or are you too trigger-happy to keep the peace in our region?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:38:53 AM
"You're not making any sense. Certainly, you didn't help them start the war, but you certainly helped them to continue it by prolonging the duration for which their forces could operate. And as to the profit... that you would send millions to their deaths, support and prolong the suffering of so many... just to turn a profit and satisfy your own personal greed..." Tadom threw his hands up into the air in exasperation. "This is precisely the sort of twisted and perverted thinking that your government represents, and precisely why you cannot be allowed to have anything. Not to mention," he added, looking at Moshe, "That I am so very troubled that such thinking does not disgust you. It speaks poorly for your character."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:40:08 AM
"Yes, Metz Minor would become a de-militarized zone." Emma now ignored the Mor'osi representative.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 02:42:57 AM
"Hmm, it seems to be an acceptable deal...

Regarding war retribution, if you were to secure Dysanii, perhaps it be possible to use Dysaniian foreign reserves to pay Llanydern for damages caused by the aggression?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:44:20 AM
"Absolutely. Dysanii was wrong in its war, and, as I said, Myroria was just trying to profit from it."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:45:09 AM
Tadom gave a brief laughter, and allowed himself a wry smile.

"So, this is how the great and mighty Myroria handles its problems. Does it face them in all its might and power head on? No, apparently Myroria just ignores it and hopes that it will go away."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 02:46:56 AM
Maja chuckled.

"So I suppose you hit a brick wall head on rather than go around it?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:48:53 AM
"No, Myrorians do not talk things that serve no purpose and do not relate to our subject. Especially not to people of such low blood."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:49:17 AM
"That's not quite the same. That's finding an clever solution to the problem, not ignoring the problem all together, though I am glad to see someone else here appreciates humor." said Tadom to the Loyalist representative. "And as to that low blood comment..." Tadom simply shrugged. "Pride, pride, pride..."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 02:50:46 AM
"Let's stop this rambling on national ideology, we should be working on a peace treaty...do excuse my manners representatives."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:52:16 AM
"Yes. Let's."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:52:23 AM
"No offense taken, you have been very reasonable and kind, unlike some others. Though, I'm afraid that national ideology will invariable play into any final treaty formed."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 02:55:27 AM
Well, I find Myroria's deal rather appealing...they remove their military presence from Easteros and Metz, war retribution to Llanydern from Dysanii counterpart, the UASS decides matters for South Ryaz...not bad for half an hour of rambling." 
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 02:57:28 AM
"Well, that's all good up until the point of just handing of Dysanii to Myroria, if that is indeed involved in this deal."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 03:03:01 AM
"Perhaps you can elaborate on Mo'ro's needs...we can arrive at a compromise."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 03:04:30 AM
"Mor'os' needs are that Myroria doesn't profit at all."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 03:08:34 AM
"Well perhaps Myroria is holding back to much, you did support the Dysanii in the aggression against Llanydern...perhaps Myroria should repaid Mo'ro's cost in mobolizing his forces in aid Llanydern.? Whether Myroria secures Dysanii is none of my concern, we are only interested in the stability of Easteros."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 03:10:01 AM
"Fine, I'll arrange to have Mor'os paid."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 03:30:07 AM
"What Mor'os wants is straightforward enough. We do not want to see the nation of Myroria be allowed to claim and subjugate whatever it wants as if they owned the world. We find their government and ideology very troubling; this meeting they have already shown that they are more than willing to stab former allies in the back and send thousands, even millions, to die and to kill others in the name of profit and greed. They are immensely prideful, something which in my personal experience has always ended disastrously. Mor'os feels that no person should be subjugated and administered by any government of this nature.

"If we must in the end be forced to give on the matter, the farthest I can give is that Myroria is allowed Metz Minor. That already weights greatly on my feeling of right and wrong, and so certainly Dysanii proper would be out of the question."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 03:31:42 AM
"In any case...these are the terms that the Loyalist Republic appeal to:

Quote
1. Myroria will remove their presence from Easteros. They will forfeit their claim to Ryaz as well. 
2. Metz Minor will remain a demilitarized zone when secure by Myroria.
3. Myroria will transfer funds from Dysanii reserves to Llanydern and UASS members for war retributions.
4. Myroria is to pay Mo'ros and other affected national entities for the expense of mobilizing their forces to aid Llanydern.
5. The UASS will recognize Myroria's control over Dysanii territories, in the event that Myroria secures them.
6. Myroria is to conduct the assimilation in a humane and lawful manner, as to not harm the dignity and well-being of the Dysaniians.
7. Myroria will recognize the UASS's claim on areas of South Ryaz, and will not seek to purposely violate any jurisdiction enforce by UASS members.

We will need to discuss these terms with our allies of course...
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 03:33:44 AM
"I agree with these terms."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 09, 2007, 03:35:32 AM
"Well, I don't. Anways, I believe that we've discussed as much as possible and made as much progress as possible among ourselves that we are going to make. Perhaps input from the others present here would be helpful."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 03:41:00 AM
"In that case, let's enjoy some tea and biscuits while my comrades and other fellow representatives discuss among themselves."

Maja signaled a servant boy from the door. "A cup of jasmine tea for me and some hard biscuits. And representative Emma...what will you like? Or are you fearful of a Saletsian servant boy poisoning your cup? "
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 03:57:13 AM
"Heh heh heh. Funny.

I'll have a coffee."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 09, 2007, 04:05:56 AM
"Anything for you representative Tabol?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 09, 2007, 07:08:24 AM
Minister Yar stepped up to the CL representative.
"Honored emissary,may I talk to you in private for a moment?"
He ordered a cup of coffee and stepped aside waiting for the CL emissary to follow him.


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Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 09, 2007, 08:38:00 AM
Richard lifted his head off the table, once the Mor'osian representative started rambling he had tried to nap. he had unfortunately not been able to so he lit a cigarette ordered for coffee and with bloodshot eyes read his comrades proposal.

 "well fuck me if this isn't perfect! myroria stays out of easteros and gives us money. not realy caring for the bits about being humane to those scum the Dysanii. yep i think that'll do well for all involved. so lets sign this beautiful bit of text, or should we run it by some lawyers first?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Acle on July 09, 2007, 09:59:18 AM
After listening to the conversation Adam roused himself to put Acles point of view to the meeting. "Acle wants Southern Ryasania to be free from any other power, to do as THEY wish and not to have some occupying nation controlling them!"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 09, 2007, 11:19:57 AM
Admivi Melissa dev Valoz walked into the room with a sheet of paper, "Sorry I'm late, Just received the approved decision of the Res'shev and Sancta Adara Revia Oz. I assume you will all sign, no questions asked, and I could care less about any previous documents in this occasion.

She looked at the sheet of paper that was on the table and the list of the terms by the Loyalists, "What... a... LOAD of Bullshit! Get your act together conference, this piece of shit won't do for us, We the Ozians haven't made our voice yet and I'd advise everyone to follow it. The Sancta didn't send Queen Admivi Bitch of Ozia for no reason! Chins up, ears open, and close your mouths!"

She smashed a copy of the letter on the table as she took a seat and read it aloud.

Quote from: Sheet of Paper smashed to desk
To nations this concerns,

I, Sancta of Divine Ozia and along with the Res'shev will strictly enforce such conditions in the end of conflicts in the interests of UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os. Here I state the conditions as such, Myroria will leave Easteros and Ryazania holding claims on neither. Myroria will pay the amounted war expenses, damage costs, and reparations to UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os. Myroria will not control any former state that Dysanii has controlled in the Easts and if violated will be swiftly crushed. All former lands that were once under Dysanii control in the Easts will be under a free state that which Native Dysanii will be deported by force to their mother land in order to establish the New Utopias. Those states that are controlled by Dysanii will be invaded by Myrorian Soldiers but such soldiers are Slave Mercenaries to the Blue Army of Divine Ozia and as which will adhere to all rules of the Ozian Military. The soldiers will no longer be in command of the Myrorian government until after the invasion. If such is refused they will die by the Ozian Swords for sure. After all lands of Dysanii are secure such soldiers will go back to Myroria. The lands that were secured by the Mercenaries will be under a combined control of UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os. Those who disagree with such an act directly disagree with the Ozian Res'shev and the direct Speaker for Gaea. I hope such an ordinance can be established and I trust additions and changes with Admivi Melissa.

Sancta Adara Revia Oz

"Does Everyone Agree?"

Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 09, 2007, 12:16:41 PM
Minister Yar was surprised by the appearance of the new delegate. But he had already heard about the Ozian`s   penchant for grand entrances.
He leaned over to read the paper twice.
"Well" he thought to himself, "this sounds like a just and wise decision. It would punish those responsible and spare those who merely were pushed along.
I think one can sign such an agreement with good consciousness"
As a mere observer he took the decision not to say anything and instead leaned back to see what would happen.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Acle on July 09, 2007, 12:36:28 PM
Adam stood up looking outraged "What rights do you have to come in here and demand that all nations follow your demands! You should come here with some terms and discuss them civilly with the other nations attending here. Acle does not agree with you demands either as we think that the old colonies of Dysanii should be allowe3d to govern themselves without any interference from outside country's."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 01:35:39 PM
Looking at the Ozian representattive: "Welcome to the conference." He then took a look at the Ozian proposal.

"Another reasonable proposal I have to say. It keeps Myroria out of Easteros and resolves the issues with Dysanii's territories."

Moshe Elmert then turns to Maja and whispers: "Do you not think this is currently the best solution after all?"

He then turned back to the Ozian delegate: "Is there no mention of financial or any other compensation for nations like Llanydern that have been directly devastated by the conflict?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Acle on July 09, 2007, 01:42:53 PM
"I think that the nation of Dysanii itself should compensate the nations that it devestated in it pointless war."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 02:25:03 PM
"You can't just walk in here, brazenly throw around letters, and then expect we'll listen to them. I, for one, am willing to sign the agreement we came to before."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 09, 2007, 03:13:42 PM
OOC: Sheesh! I'm gone for a bit, and this thing explodes to 6 pages?! Pretend my rep.s have been here already.

Adolf, a tall, brooding man, stood up at the entrance of the Ozian delegate. "Entschuldigung mir, bitte, Frau Admivi. Perhaps you should calm yourself? After all, this is a peace conference. And as a conference, the demands should not be written by one country alone, it should be discussed by all, like the document that was written up before you arrived. Come, I ask you, sit down. Perhaps we can work St Oz's demands into our document before we can sign it?"

Mikael Schlangdorf said nothing, sitting in his chair with an angry look on his face. 'This is perfect, just perfect,' he thought. 'Stuck in a room full of socialist pigs. Listen to them! Forcing great Myroria to give up land it has paid for. That's just disgusting. What would be good for Myroria would be to get more capitalist nations in on this land. Aggh. Why am I here? I should just tell Frau Tar-Ilium this. But I can't without risking a split from Talstadt! Scheiß! I hate these formal discussions!'
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 09, 2007, 04:50:45 PM
"Not another discriminatory culture...the land must be freed from any term of authoritism to be populated"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 09, 2007, 05:04:15 PM
Admivi Melissa only chuckled, despite the fact she was Half Ozian-Half Inglish they could see her Maroon eyes, "What doesn't give me the right to walk in here and throw around letters. Of course you'll listen to them and I'm not here to be Civilized. Being Civilized and coming to means only hurts everyone, I say we hurt only those who are responsible. As to your additional suggestions I do believe a financial compensation for Llanydern and other nations will be a great idea, we can sketch it in the new proposal."

"The fact of the matter is this, those colonies can't govern themselves and if Dysanii People live there they can easily just go back to the control of Dysanii. How is there any possibility that a colony such as Metz Minor with about 50 million people surged at it in a few years can farm enough food, have enough supplies, or have money to do anything. The fact is, they will crumble! The Dysanii infestation has to leave the colonies so we can preserve order on this side of the world. Do you not see? Unless we clear this side of the world of the Imperialist Scumbags such as the nations of Dysanii and Myroria, you all won't find the peace that you all search for! Total Victory my friends! Total Victory."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 09, 2007, 05:15:35 PM
Talman Yar turned to face the assembly.
“Honored representatives”. The Foreign Minister said.
“As far as I understand it Myroria has allowed Dyzanii to create a foothold on Easteros by selling them part of their land so as to make a profit.
Then Dyzanii started a war and Myroria again profited from their need for weapons and soldiers.
What if this has been planned  from the start. If they had been successful they could have secured Llanydern and other parts of Easteros with the help, or rather with the sacrifice, of Dysanii lives. If their plan failed then they could get Dysanii,   simply by paying a few buck´s and for the promise of peace for the nations of Easteros. And the repeated statement of the fact that Dysanii has valuable soil for Myrorian crop production points toward this.
Also let  us take a look on the map and compare both. The size and arable land of the area they gave to Dysanii and will loose and what they will gain in comparison from the country of Dysanii itself. To me this looks like a win-win situation for Myroria. With the UASS being the looser and Dysanii twice betrayed.
Also if the Myrorians are such a capitalistic people, as some of you have stated, then they may have taken everything into account, so even trough the compensations  they , compared to their gain they may have little loss.
Also I am here as a mere observer, in the light of the facts given I agree with the Mor`Os and Oznian representatives.
The people of Dysanii have suffered enough under their leadership. Let them not suffer under yours now and turn that suffering into hatred.”
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 09, 2007, 05:21:27 PM
"Admivi Melissa, i have to say i quite enjoy your idea's the best so far. any idiot could see that they need to be deported from metz minor and that compensation needs to be given. my nation came with only two demands and your proposal meets them both quite well. fuck the myrorians, fuck the dysaniis and keep them out of easteros. those were my orders which fit perfectly with your proposal, i support this."

 he lit another cigarette with the butt of the previous.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Dysanii on July 09, 2007, 05:56:34 PM
OOC: Metz Minor is 100% Dysaniian. It was colonised, not invaded. Deporting the people from there would mean deporting every single person on that island back to Dysanii...a costly project, I would think (and no, I doubt Dysanii would pay for it, as it is far from beaten...it merely surrendered Southern Ryazania, its imperial armies and ecomony are still strong and intact). That would also lead to troubles in Dysanii proper, as comparatively its land mass is tiny (some nations are twice the size and have a few hundred million pop., whereas Dysanii has 2.2 billion) leading to overcrowding. As for Myrorian control of Dysanii, should Myroria take control it was have at its disposal roughly the same population as its own (therefore doubling its population), a large modern and well-trained army (increasing its armed forces) and a modern, rich nation untouched by war. Along with this, you can't expect the Dysanii people, nationalist and full of pride, to let a foreign power, who has stabbed them in the back, to take control and pay-off nations with Dysaniian money...realistically, that would lead to a Dysaniian uprising, which, with such weapons and numbers with them, the Dysaniian people would win. Those are just suggestions though, as formally I am not playing NS and am only/will only be online rarely. 
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 06:14:32 PM
"Imperialist scumbags? What about your invasion of Moacia? The people's virtual genocide? Should we really be taking orders from a nation which is clearly ruled by incompetant and insane leaders?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 09, 2007, 06:24:00 PM
ooc: Sorry about that Dysanii, didn't know.

IC:

Her grin turned to a frown, "Do you really know anything about Moacia, they are second worst to the Da'zhi! How dare you insult the Most divine of my People! The Moaci people and the Ozian people have been at war for centuries. It was finally about two years ago that the Ozians overcame the Moaci and we became dominant in the trades of the Ozian Arctic! They raided us when we were still new to the area and so we retaliated by taking over their lands. Soon however there was a bloody trench war which resulted in a line in the dead center of current day St Oz. The Land we took is our land and not of the Moaci for we won it honorably. As of two years ago we finally made great progress in holding the Moaci peoples and killed all those who opposed the Blue Army and Res'shev. Every moment you anger me, puny Myrorian, I'm closer to attacking your armies on this side of Taijitu! Get yourself straight up Myrorian, you are in no way shape or form at the positive end of this agreement. I suggest you rethink your policies for Myroria is not at the winning end of this conflict."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 06:43:51 PM
"Finefinefine. Whatever, we'll sign your agreement. We'll stay out of Metz Minor and Southern Ryazania and pay you your dues if - and only if - we are allowed in Dysanii proper."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 09, 2007, 06:45:25 PM
"I could care less about Dysanii Proper."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 06:47:37 PM
"Good. Then it all reality, this isn't much different from what we proposed originally, except the communists don't get their hands on Ryazania; it's free."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 09, 2007, 07:05:16 PM
"So Myroria actually wins this war and has his plans go on undisturbed and as a full success"
Yar said turning to the Oznian representative.
He cursed himself for not biting his tongue but it already was to late for that.
"Were is your strong stance now. You were so mighty when you entered, demanding that the Dysanii fall not under control of Myroria"
"In my country the hunters in the jungles say that even so you can not see if you hit your prey you can tell by it`s howl. So here do we have a hit?
I was in support of your proposal and I still am.But not if you are willing to let go of it yourself. Myroria should pay for all war expenses. Even those of the Dysanii and pay for those soldiers crippled in this war.The Dysanii were mere pawns in this game"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 09, 2007, 07:21:07 PM
"I could care less about the Dysanii peoples, Myroria is going to pay the penalty and it will be at a costly price, I'm surprised he's even sending any troops at such a cost he's agreed to. Besides we don't have forests where I come from, only vast amounts of Wasteland. Myroria does not achieve full success, I don't find paying so many countries so much money a great success. An agreement as such can cripple the Government of Myroria's Pay check. The costs he has to pay will probably go in the Trillions. The difference between the Ozian proposal and the previous is the Ozian proposal comes at a greater cost for Myroria. I know for sure Myroria will be paying for all the costs to rebuild including the payment of moving all the Dysanii out of Metz Minor. If they can't pay for their deportations I'm sure the Sancta will think of cheaper, deadlier means. As the Myrorian said before about Moacia, I was on the front lines of that war, such a bloody war, Our Staii, missiles, cannons have destroyed whole cities, burned whole islands, and destroyed whole populations. The Death toll is still uncertain in the Ozian-Moacian Wars but throughout the years we're sure it has amounted to at least 100 million last year. We are not afraid to deport the peoples by force and any revolts have always resulted into a city's destruction. We accept nothing but Total Victory of the Dysanii."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 09, 2007, 07:34:15 PM
OOC: You meant "over" the Dysanii :D


"So be it" Minister Yar said. " As I said I support your previous proposal. And I think I can say that we will offer to help in their return to their homeland. There will be no need in killing those people.
I believe that you are well aware of how easy it is to manipulate the mind of the common men into believing that following the stupid ideas of his government is the right thing to do. And I can only guess that you may have done so in the past too. So I see no need in punishing those who were led into this contraption by their leaders."

Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 09, 2007, 08:57:02 PM
OOC: way to expand a thread.

IC: "The only bit of this proposal that I disagree with is the one that grants the Southern Ryazanians immediate, unconditional independence.  Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with this, but I object to a group of diplomats, none of whom represent the Southern Ryazanians, deciding their fate.  Let them vote in a plebiscite.

"Obviously, Dysanii wouldn't be an option, but they should have the option to choose between an independent existence, incorporation into Llanydern, incorporation into Myroria, or even the dissolusion of their State."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 09, 2007, 09:15:21 PM
OOC: What do you expect from a peace summit of this magnitude. We can be happy if we get out of this thread before we all end up old men in wheelchairs. ;D

"Then they also should vote if they want immediate Independence, or a co-operation with other states until they can stand on their own. Granting them full independence now would be like dropping them into the abyss."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 10:19:10 PM
"Sounds like the most sensible agreement to me."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 09, 2007, 11:13:58 PM
OOC: The cost isn't really that high, because there's no set price. Let's assume, just for argument purposes, that each nation spends 50,000 USD per soldier. The real cost would be lower for nations with conscription and other factors, but let's just take that number. Now, Dysanii surrendered quickly, so let's assume, I don't know, one million people on the UASS-Mor'os side died. Mor'os didn't really do any fighting at all, I think, but maybe I'm wrong. So, if you multiply one million by 50,000, you get:

50,000,000,000

Or fifty billion. Two million dead would make 100 billion, and so on. Let's also assume that, since the Kolonialreich mark's exchange rate always hovers at 1.00 KRM=2.10-2.14 USD, we'll just round that down to 2.00. Then, you can divide 50 billion to be 25 billion. 100 billion is 50 billion. So on and so forth. Government waste allows for ~543 billion Kolonialreich marks, so no more than roughly 1 trillion in damages.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 09, 2007, 11:31:12 PM
OOC: Oz- as Dys said, Metz Minor is 100% Dysanii. Myro doesn't, and shouldn't have to move them all out, it wouldn't make RP sense to leave an island abandoned.

Adolf spoke up, "I agree with the esteemed diplomat. Too much independence now may cause any radicals left in the country to continue attacks against UASS countries, such as Llandern and the Chinese Loyalist occupied areas. What do you think, Herr Schlangdorf?"

(Mikael) "I think that the Dysanii-Ryazanians should be given Independence and not be watched over by these communist hawks, all too eager to push their propoganda at them. The only help they'll need is enough to get the country back on its feet, in terms of humanitarian needs, and economic needs. I also think, following my original lines, that if Myroria cannot put any soldier upon Southern Ryazanian soil, than neither should any other nation. I say that the Chinese and Saletsians pull out!"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 09, 2007, 11:34:11 PM
"We will pull out as soon as we know what will happen to Southern Ryazania: leaving now without ensurance of stability is not an option."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 09, 2007, 11:37:48 PM
"As long as it is soon, I will not care." Mikael sat down, then said under his breath, "Verdammten Kommunists..."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 09, 2007, 11:38:58 PM
The Canadian represenative had been so quiet till now. "Then what we do is create a joint PI-UASS peacekeeping force. That will have to be an option. That way we are all neutral. We are there to make sure a civil war doesn't break out. We guide the Southern Ryzanian government on it's road to good government. This way we aren't pushing them with our own political ideals. They can make their own decision."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 09, 2007, 11:46:03 PM
"No. That will still be forcing our ideals on them. Plus, who's to say that PI and the UASS will agree. Sure, we may come to an agreement, but the soldiers may not. And besides, who are you to speak for the entirety of Pax Imperium? I see no other PI member besides Myroria here, and they have already decided that Myroria may not land one soldier, in peace or war, to land upon those shores. We cannot. We must grant them independence from foreign domination, and let them choose what they wish to do."

OOC: Yes, Mikael is a hot-head.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 09, 2007, 11:49:47 PM
But we will be there to protect them in case of civil war. Something that will happen no matter what we choose. I can't speak for all of the PI nations, but if this is our plan, they might agree with me.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 10, 2007, 12:08:26 AM
"But surely many of Ryazania are tired of war, and tired of military occupation? Komm, mein Freund, surely you don't think there will be a civil war? For the time being, at least, many in Ryazania are tired of war, tired of guns and explosions in the night. And I am sure they are tired of all the communists that have recently been taking over their land. The only civil war I can foresee would be a purge of any who believed these communists, because South Ryazania, as I've heard, is fiercely capitalist and very nationalist, so any person who thinks a foreign communist is right, in my viewpoint, would be reason enough to exile them. But I get caught up in my personal matters. We must get back on topic here, shouldn't we? I still vehemently believe that these people can handle themselves. All they need is some economic boosting. Their main portion of the economy was war products and those were bombed. Therefore, they will need jobs, they will need money. We may be able to provide this, and once they see us in a more favorable light, they may open relations with us in the future, after they have settled into their own government."

Adolf added on to this, "For once, I agree with my friend here. Not in the fact that communists are the cause of strife in Ryazania, but in the fact that these people will be able to govern themselves. If we help them economically, we may train their police forces to instill order, we may help many infant or destroyed industries get back up on their feet. Surely we do not need many troops there, if at all," he added, noting Mikael's angry glare. "Perhaps having peacekeeping organizations in Southern Ryazania instead of soldiers? Organizations that are unarmed but help the nation regroup and reorganize?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 10, 2007, 12:14:59 AM
occ: The forum should have some dice roll sort of application to decide the plebiscite... 
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"Sigh...there's a saying in our country: "Nationalism killed peace." It seems what we have here is a disagreement between parties on difference in opinion. May I remind some of you, that this is a peace treaty for Easteros, not the world. Hence, I think the point of views of the most affected members should have the most say. I think its important that the non-Easteros nations here should pay attention to the needs of directly-affected nations of this war, namely Llanydern and South Ryaz. Please do not turn this into a international political orgy...

Retribution should be the most pressing point of this agreement, I can care less if it was paid by Myroria or Dysanii. War is not cheap in money or lives, and the aggressor should be the one to repay such debt for their fault.

And with the fate of South Ryaz...perhaps it be best to give these people anonymity in their own affairs. Going with Saletsia's point, the UASS must first take time to stabilize the region first before a move to independence. And there after, I believe that the UASS should become a formal protector and monitor of South Ryaz, to insure that no outside nation tries to force their influence on these people."

 
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 10, 2007, 12:17:18 AM
But whos going to stop the UASS from forcing their influence?
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 10, 2007, 12:24:32 AM
"Including the UASS, may I remind you. Yes, I understand that Llanydern is also affected by this war, as is the UASS nations that lost so many of their people fighting. However," Mikael paused to sigh and take a breath. "I am of the opinion that any nation that is under the protectorate of any other nation or group of nations will slowly become dependant on that or those nations and become heavily influenced by it or them. Therefore, in order to ensure that no outside nation tries to influence Southern Ryazania, you must include yourselves and keep yourselves out. If you must stay until the newly elected government, whatever government it be, comes into power, so be it. But thereafter you shall remove your armies from the nation of Southern Ryazania. Agreed?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 10, 2007, 12:34:55 AM
"Well, it well be pretty awkward for a independent nation to house foreigner troops against its will, won't it representative? Of course this will include us. I am merely proposing that since UASS members are the closest neighbor to south Ryaz, we should be the one enforcing the terms. We will be a merely a cooperative partner to the new nation of South Ryaz."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 10, 2007, 12:37:34 AM
"Yes," said Tadom, finally getting in edgewise. "While I do believe that our million soldiers would prove useful to stabilizing Southern Ryzania for the immediate time, once the place has been stabilized and the people have chosen their own path then I would not dream of keeping them stationed there, short of some incredible change in the fundamental situation."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 10, 2007, 02:38:07 AM
"Is there monetary refund?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 10, 2007, 05:23:24 AM
Talman Yar had stood up and walked over to the Saletsian representative.
He had presented a paper and talked to him while the others were arguing.
Now he turned to the assembly.
"Honored representatives, If I may I would like to suggest a new draft, somewhat a union of UASS and Oznian proposals. Mind you gentleman it is only a suggestion, but maybe we can use it as a base and expand upon it to hammer out an agreement."

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1. Myroria will remove their presence from Easteros. They will forfeit their claim to Ryaz as well. 
1a. All Dysanii in the areas of UASS jurisdiction and the territories of Ryazania will be returned to their homeland under the conditions of article 3.
2. Metz Minor will remain a demilitarized zone under supervision by representatives from all Easteros nations.
2.a In the case of inability to secure their livelihood at Mez Minor all Dysanii wishing to return to their homeland will be supported in this decision.
3. Myroria will pay the amounted war expenses, damage costs, and reparations to UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os and Dysanii.
4. The UASS will not recognize Myroria's control over Dysanii territories, in the event that Myroria secures them.
5 Myroria will recognize the UASS's claim on areas of all of Ryazani, and will not seek to purposely violate any jurisdiction enforce by UASS members.
6. The lands that were secured by the Mercenaries will be under a combined control of UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os, Until they are seen fit to govern themselves.

OOC: I`m off to work now. Wait with taring and feathering me until I´m back, will you  O:-)
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 10, 2007, 06:53:17 AM
"Hmm seems to me you talmanners actualy have no say in what gos on here, so kindly shut the fuck up and let those with an actual stake in this decide what is to happen. southern ryazania should remain under control of all nations of Easteros until they put in place a new govornment (basicly put it up for the next country who wants a spot on the map). soryy my Ozian friend but i believe your people would do better to keep their eyes on the decietful Myrorians and let us natives deal with our own continental issues, if you feel you must keep yourself in it i will understand but i feel it unneeded. otherwise i believe we should continue on as otherwise agreed."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: The Empire on July 10, 2007, 11:25:20 AM
OOC: Would those 50k/soldier be annually or monthly Garth? Because anually, each soldier is going to cost a LOT more, besides the paycheck that's maybe 2000$/month there is facility maintenance, food, water, sanitation, laundry, fuel, heating, electricity, ammunition, vehicle maintenance, weapon and equipment maintenance and so on. All that would sum up into an effective cost closer to 100k-150k$/year for each soldier. /OOC
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 10, 2007, 12:39:40 PM
OOC: Not to forget that the costs would include damage costs and reparations.Which would include:
The cost for soldiers and civilians disabled in this war as long as they live and for the families who have lost someone to this war.
The costs will include every book burned in a bombed out library, psychological treatment costs for war victims, rebuilding of every building, road, bridge, and other structure destroyed in this war, no matter who was originally responsible.
Every dozer, it`s fuel, maintenance cost  and the paycheck of it`s driver will be in the equation.
Also every nation that gives humanitarian relief, have they been involved in the war or not
Will have it`s expenses paid as part of the reparation.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 10, 2007, 03:32:24 PM
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"Hmm seems to me you talmanners actualy have no say in what gos on here, so kindly shut the fuck up and let those with an actual stake in this decide what is to happen. southern ryazania should remain under control of all nations of Easteros until they put in place a new govornment (basicly put it up for the next country who wants a spot on the map). soryy my Ozian friend but i believe your people would do better to keep their eyes on the decietful Myrorians and let us natives deal with our own continental issues, if you feel you must keep yourself in it i will understand but i feel it unneeded. otherwise i believe we should continue on as otherwise agreed."

If I remember correctly, the UASS had no stake in the Canadian Civil War on Arda. So why should we have no stake on a war on Easteros.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 10, 2007, 03:34:58 PM
OOC: Delfos is part of UASS... right?
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 10, 2007, 03:57:45 PM
OOC: I mean buying all of their equipment and things, not their paychecks. I don't see why I would have to pay their paychecks if they're not my soldiers.

"If Myroria does not get Dysanii, this peace summit serves no further purpose."

"Prime Minister Black, if you cannot act in a civilized manner I don't see why you should be here. Now put out your cigarette, some of us would rather not secondhand smoke six packs here."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 10, 2007, 04:16:48 PM
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OOC: Delfos is part of UASS... right?

They are part of UASS, but the Civil War was too far away from them.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 10, 2007, 05:43:22 PM
OOC: prime ministers brother not the prime minister himself.

"i am here as my siters in arms died in a war which spawned this conference, not to mention for the interest of solidarity in Easteros. also comment on my smoking again bitch and i will put a bullet between your eyes, my rifle is right outside this room and don't you doubt that i can get it. theres a reason i commanded the first strikes on carcossa were led by myself and a few good women who are now dead. but back to buisness i am saying that even my fellow UASS members should stay out of this and leave it to a federation of the nations of Easteros."
Richard lit up another cigarette. (this guy is most definately going to die of lung cancer)
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 10, 2007, 07:07:05 PM
I agree. A federation of Easteros nations should decide the fate of Southern Ryzania. That would be more appropriate than having a communist allaince decide what should be done.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 10, 2007, 10:00:49 PM
"Before this turns into a shootout at high noon we should put the proposal from Uichi Ryu to vote.
Why not any in favor just say so and all others not in favor do the same"
Minister Yar was trough his eighth cup of coffee and his second set of nerves.
He had loosened his tie and sunk a bit into his chair.
"I agree to it"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 10, 2007, 10:50:31 PM
"To come back to what the Talmänner said: our forces are already helping local officials to regain control over their areas and we are even helping through humanitarian aid. Southern Ryazania is not a piece of land destined to be a "communist colony"....We are there to guarantee peace and to come back to normality...", he paused and thought about the proposal from PUR , then said: "I agree."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 12:11:12 AM
"I'll sign any proposal in which Myroria gets Dysanii."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 12:29:55 AM
"On what grounds does Myroria consider itself entitled to Dysanii? I can see none personally besides greed and a desire for power, which, unfortunately, do not quite justify such a claim."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 12:34:08 AM
"The grounds of peace. The UASS will give us Dysanii peacefully, and they get to colonize - uh, liberate, Southern Ryazania. Does Mor'os really want a world war so that they can say 'Yeah, we kept Myroria out of Dysanii'?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 12:36:34 AM
"In short, you feel entitled to it because you simply want it, even if it isn't rightfully yours. And if you don't get it, you threaten to throw the international equivalent of a tantrum like some ill behaved child."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 12:39:05 AM
"Yes, we want it, just as much as the communists want Ryazania. But when the communists invade and lay claim to a legitimately bought territory, it's fine with you?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 12:42:22 AM
"You knew full well that the territory you bought was involved in an active conflict directly on the side of those responsible for initiating the first act of aggression. You should have known full well that the UASS was intent on securing the area to prevent such aggression in the future. I believe that the phrase is 'caveat emptor'.  Not to mention that a purchase made for the purpose of protecting and defending an aggressive and dangerous state is hardly the sort of behavior that should be rewarded. The UASS's claim to Ryazania is completely valid; the territory was used to launch a war of aggression against them, and it is within their full rights to secure it as a result. With Dysanii and Myroria however, the only reason is that Myroria simply wants Dysanii."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 12:47:47 AM
"It was still a legitimate capitalist transaction. What drove the UASS to invade was the same thing that drove us: greed. They couldn't stand the thought of a capitalist nation actually existing, let alone on the same continent as most of their members. Meneldur, being the generous man he is, decided to let the communists have their land in exchange for some of our own, convieniently about the same size. So tell me: What's the problem with that? We're not getting any more land than we had before, and we're even farther from them. Does Mor'os want Myroria to have no land? Does it see Myroria's people as unworthy of actually not being crushed together out of the simple fact our system of government happens to be at odds with theirs? Does any state which is not a bureaucratic morass - oops, I mean democracy, not need land just as much as them? Do dare call Myroria unforgiving when you do not want our people to actually have some land to own and not be pushed 40 people to a classroom? Is that what Mor'os wants?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 12:59:25 AM
"The problem? The problem is that none of what you are saying makes sense. You act as if the nation of Myroria has some sort of perverted divine right to do whatever it pleases with the world, its nations and its people. Well, shock you as it might, this is not the case. Myroria cannot go and support nations who aggress others without any cause and expect to feel no repercussions, or simply demand land and expect to be vindicated because it feels like it. Any transaction made to defend and shelter the likes of Dysanii, a country which declares war for no other reason than the sake of war itself, is not legitimate. As I said before, that territory was used to attack the UASS before you ever offered to purchase it. Their claim and justification to secure it occurred before yours and as such takes precedence. That you were stupid enough to pay for the land expecting that you would then have some sort of claim to it is your own fault. I thought you laissez-faire believed in taking responsibility for poor decisions. Apparently, you only preach, not practice. Not to mention that no one else has said a word about democracy, so I really do not see what that has to do with anything."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 11, 2007, 01:30:24 AM
"so we are resorting to bickery instead of actualy working towards our goal, come children play time is of the essence lets grow up and get some adult time in. anyhow all i am willing to say as far as the Dysanii go is that i do not care if the Myrorians rape their lands, i say let them have at it. unless of course any of you wish to take it for yourselves? For Ozia? For Gallipoli-China? How about for Mor'os?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 01:32:39 AM
"Can we just sign the papers without this becoming a soap box shout? Your rants aren't going to change my opinion."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 11, 2007, 01:38:07 AM
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1. Myroria will remove their presence from Easteros. They will forfeit their claim to Ryaz as well. 
1a. All Dysanii in the areas of UASS jurisdiction and the territories of Ryazania will be returned to their homeland under the conditions of article 3.
2. Metz Minor will remain a demilitarized zone under supervision by representatives from all Easteros nations.
2.a In the case of inability to secure their livelihood at Mez Minor all Dysanii wishing to return to their homeland will be supported in this decision.
3. Myroria will pay the amounted war expenses, damage costs, and reparations to UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os and Dysanii.
4. The UASS will recognize Myroria's control over Dysanii territories, in the event that Myroria secures them.
5 Myroria will recognize the UASS's claim on areas of all of Ryazani, and will not seek to purposely violate any jurisdiction enforce by UASS members.
6. The lands that were secured by the Mercenaries will be under a combined control of all Easteros Nations.

"sound good to you folks? i am not very good at such wording but it sounds good to me."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 01:40:19 AM
"Sounds good to me. I'd sign something like that."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 11, 2007, 02:03:25 AM
Adolf spoke, "As a spectator and hopefully future peacekeeper, I would also sign such a document."
Mikael twisted his face, unsure and clearly debating whether to be angry or agree. Finally he straightened up and spoke, "For the sake of resolving conflict and preventing these areas from further destruction, I will agree as well, on one condition. Although I respect the Uichi Ryan Delegate's terms, as well as those of the other UASS nations, I feel that something should be added:"
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7. The UASS will remove all armed forces as soon as a stable and elected government comes into power and remains in power for the duration of two years.
"Easy enough to do, and it will keep you socialists around long enough to make only a small impression. What say you, my fellow delegates?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 11, 2007, 02:11:46 AM
"also added should be..."
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7.a. at the end of two years the peace conference shall reconvene to set further precident for Ryazania and wheather it is by then fit to govorn itself.
"seems to be a good addition, i thank you for your contributation Mikael. now how does everyone feel about this?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 02:13:16 AM
"I thought that I would at least dealing with some principled people, and even more importantly, people with an actual backbone to stand up for themselves." Tadom shrugged.  "But that does not seem to be the case. Why the UASS so wants Myroria to expand its influence and power is something which is beyond me, nor why they seem so fearful of Myroria. The UASS combined with Myroria and Mor'os would be more than a match for them. But it's quite obvious that I won't get anywhere with this. I suppose I'll just have to accept it."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 11, 2007, 02:15:57 AM
Adolf: "Wunderbar! Und ein bißchen schlaflich, can we hurry this up? (wonderful, and a bit tired...)"
Mikael: "Sei Ruh. Ich finde es gut. (Be quiet. I think it's ok.)"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 11, 2007, 02:17:36 AM
"Uichi Ryu has no fear of the Pelagian Empire. we just don't care what happens to Dysanii. but i am glad you are coming around." richard smiled perhaps i can go take a good rest soon...
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 02:29:43 AM
"I was under the impression that the UASS and its members were more principled than to sell entire nations into the hands of greedy warmongers, certainly from Gallipoli-China, but..." Tadom shrugged again, defeated. "It appears that I was wrong."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 11, 2007, 02:42:36 AM
"I want to hear what my other allies have to say first. Personally, I believe Dysanii is of no matter to us...but I can understand what Tadom says and further Myrorian expansion indeed is disturbing. Add:"

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Myroria shall grant the people of Dysanii freedom to an autonomous governing body while being formally a part of the Empire. Furthermore shall the security of Dysanyian culture and norms be ensured. There shall be no forms of assimilation to Myrorian lifestyle.[/quite]

"What about this?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 11, 2007, 03:09:01 AM
I accept the revised terms propose by Uichi Ryu. Can we get a draft and good copy done?
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 03:22:17 AM
"The Saletsian proposal would be accepted, and we planned to make Dysanii autonomous anyway."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 11, 2007, 08:48:24 AM
"Finally" with a sigh of relief the Terrangan ambassador sat up in his seat.
"This sounds good and fair. However on point 4  I would like to address what the representative of Mor`os has brought up. We should not act blindly out of revenge against Dysanii and hand over such a powerful and wealthy nation to Myroria. This will just increase their position and power. That is what I meant when I said it may have been their plan from the start to get their hands on the Dysanii lands. Mind you of several times when they had talked about the “Rich Dyssani” soil. I think we can find these words in the sumit protocols on pages 3 and 4. To me this sounds like an “aggressive takeover” in the language of big buissness.
.

So may I suggest we  rephrase this point

4. The UASS will recognize the status of Myroria and Dysanii as independent nations and will not interfere in their relations except were they go against the interests of peace in Easteros.


2.a In the case of inability to secure their livelihood at Mez Minor all Dysanii wishing to return to their homeland will be supported in this decision under article 3.


Myroria will pay for their repatriation to their homeland.


OOC: Sorry but I fumbled with the last point. I forgot to replace “secured by the Mercenaries ” with “ formerly held by Dysanii and Myroria”. That`s what you get by using the “copy and paste” function.

Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 01:47:07 PM
"I told you, without Dysanii we're not signing anything. You can't expect to steal my land from under my nose without something in return."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Dysanii on July 11, 2007, 02:32:08 PM
A message bearing the imperial Dysanii seal is delivered to the meeting. It reads;

Nations of the Southern Ryazania Peace Summit,

Unfortunately a representative can not make it to the meeting. However, this message should more than clear up any illusions some nations at this peace summit might hold.

The Empire of Dysanii formally surrenders any claim to the lands known as Southern/Dysanii-Ryazania. Our banks are in the process of reimbursing Myroria the money it used to purchase Southern/Dysanii-Ryazania, as well as extra money to compensate Myrorian families who lost loved ones as a result of this transaction.

An order sent to Metz Minor to demilitarise has been accepted, although law enforcement authorities will remain. The demilitarisation process of Metz Minor will take several weeks, and can, if needed, be overseen by any UASS member nations.

The imperial armies have stood down in Dysanii, and reservists have been released from military service. Enclosed with this letter is an official, signed document detailing that Dysanii will not move forces to any other territory for at least 8 years (OOC: 8 weeks - the time I am away).

Some war reparations, or at which Dysanii can manage, will be made in the form money, food and medical supplies to Llanydern.

In addition to this, it is at the request of this government that Dysanii retain its Independence from the control of any foreign power. However, it also states that Dysanii wishes to become a protectorate of the Empire of Mor'os, as it believes an empire in kind will be sympathetic to its needs. This status will remain until Dysanii is once again participate in international affairs, we hope in the next few years after new elections have taken place.

Any other power who wishes control of Dysanii will not be tolerated, in which case the armies, nay the people, of Dysanii will fight against politically and militarily to the end.   

Signed,
[official seals made here]
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 02:37:24 PM
"Fine. I suppose a letter from Dysanii cannot be ignored. Now just to see if Mor'os jumps into a double standard by actually taking Dysanii up on its offer."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 11, 2007, 02:37:56 PM
After the letter was read aloud, Adolf said, "Well. That pretty much settles everything now, doesn't it? Sorry Fraulein Tar-Ilium, it looks as though Myroria will not get any land after all."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 11, 2007, 03:01:52 PM
"Quite the ice breaker...now can we get a good draft up? I'm sure all of us have important business to attend to later on."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 11, 2007, 03:49:20 PM
"I say we make the proposed changes to points number 2a and especially number 4 - which should be in the interest of Dyzanii- and draw up a draft so we can get things started.
I also can not see any double standards by Mor`Os taking up Dysanii`s offer. After all they themselves asked for it."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 06:30:18 PM
"Myroria will reluctantly sign a document if the UASS promises not to interfere or condemn any colonizations we attempt. Otherwise, we're leaving."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 11, 2007, 06:38:26 PM
"I think the rephrasing of point 4 covers that ambassador."
"May I reread: 4. The UASS will recognize the status of Myroria and Dysanii as independent nations and will not interfere in their relations except were they go against the interests of peace in Easteros.

"However we can not relinquish our ability to formaly protest should you attack another country"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 11, 2007, 06:39:31 PM
"Oh, OK."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 11, 2007, 07:35:45 PM
"hmm sounds like things are looking quite good. however as i said before i am terrible at wording so ifwe could get a lawyer in here to word this peace treaty properly that would be quite to everyones benefit."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 11, 2007, 09:13:38 PM
OOC:
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"I was under the impression that the UASS and its members were more principled than to sell entire nations into the hands of greedy warmongers, certainly from Gallipoli-China, but..." Tadom shrugged again, defeated. "It appears that I was wrong."

give me a break, Prag; I've posted once!

IC:
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1. The Myrorian Empire shall remove all military and civilian presence from the continent of Easteros, and will forfeit any claim upon any territory of that continent, including the territory of Southern (formerly Dysaniian) Ryazania.
1.1 All Dysanii citizens in areas claimed by a member state of the United Axis of Socialist States shall be speedily returned to their homeland unless they wish to remain, following the laws of the claimant of the territory.
2. Metz Minor shall be demilitarized.  Though Dysanii shall retain sovereignty over the island, as well as any adjacent isles, islets and keys, Metz Minor shall be demilitarized and be placed under the supervision of a league of all nations with claims or territory upon Easteros.
2.1 All Dysanii citizens in the areas under the custodian of the Easteros powers shall have the right to return to Dysanii unrestricted, unless they have somehow violated the laws of the colony.
3. Myroria will pay the appropriate war expenses, damage costs, and reparations to the nations whose infrastructure or military it has damaged by its actions.  These include St Oz, Mor'os, Saletsia, Chinese Loyalist, Uichi Ryu, Llanydern, the Union of Free Men, and Dysanii.
4. The member nations of the United Axis of Socialist States reaffirm their recognition of Dysanii and Myroria as separate and independent states and will not interfere with their relations with each other or with other powers, except as it relates to the peace of Easteros or the direct security of the UASS member states.
5. Myroria recognizes as legitimate the claims of member nations of the United Axis of Socialist States on all areas of Southern (formerly Dysanii) Ryazania and agrees to follow any rules and regulations enforced by the member nations of the UASS.
6. Any lands that have been claimed and secured by Non-State Actors shall be administered in a similar manner to Metz Minor.

"Will this draft serve?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 11, 2007, 09:27:44 PM
"we of uichi ryu would prefer if southern ryazania was given right to a vote on what they wish their future to be. it is cruel for us to impose upon them as it is not our own sovereign land and we were not elected by them to be their representatives. i want there to be something in this for them to be able to chose their own destiny."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 09:43:42 PM
OOC: Sorry G-C, Tadom's in a bit of a touchy mood :P

IC: "Well..." said Tadom,  slightly stunned as he read over the message from Dysanii. "This is quite the turn of events. But, if this it the case, I see no double standard if Mor'os were to accept. If we had demanded the land ourselves previously, that would have been a double standard. But if they are themselves asking for protection I think the truly improper thing to do would be to refuse that request. We would be more than happy to have the treaty stipulate that in a certain number of years that a plebiscite shall be held to determine Dysanii's fate after that. Until then it can enjoy an Autonomous Region status like Hīsat.

"And monetary compensation from Myroria to Mor'os is not necessary. You can strike that from the terms of the treaty, and we would in fact prefer it."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 11, 2007, 09:48:45 PM
" I am in support of the Uichi Ryu and Mor`Os proposals" Minister Yar said.
All of a sudden he was wide awake. Finally there was progress.
And even better than he had hoped. The anger the delegates had brought with them seemed to blow over.
At a point during the summit he had feared for it to fail and his heart had dropped into a bottomless pit, but now
it seemed to be on an upward slope.
"Don`t get your hopes up yet old boy" he reminded himself. "It ain`t over until it`s over" he tought.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 11, 2007, 11:26:05 PM
"Well, I was working off your draft proposal, which did not mandate a plebiscite," grumbled Ahab, turning to edit the offending article.  "As for the Dysanii request for a Mor'osi protectorate, that is their own affair, and should be decided quite separately from this particular settlement, which I was under the impression dealt primarily with Southern Ryazania."

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1. The Myrorian Empire shall remove all military and civilian presence from the continent of Easteros, and will forfeit any claim upon any territory of that continent, including the territory of Southern (formerly Dysaniian) Ryazania.
1.1 All Dysanii citizens in areas claimed by a member state of the United Axis of Socialist States shall be speedily returned to their homeland unless they wish to remain, following the laws of the claimant of the territory.
2. Metz Minor shall be demilitarized.  Though Dysanii shall retain sovereignty over the island, as well as any adjacent isles, islets and keys, Metz Minor shall be demilitarized and be placed under the supervision of a league of all nations with claims or territory upon Easteros.
2.1 All Dysanii citizens in the areas under the custodian of the Easteros powers shall have the right to return to Dysanii unrestricted, unless they have somehow violated the laws of the colony.
3. Myroria will pay the appropriate war expenses, damage costs, and reparations to the nations whose infrastructure or military it has damaged by its actions.  These include St Oz, Mor'os, Saletsia, Chinese Loyalist, Uichi Ryu, Llanydern, the Union of Free Men, and Dysanii.
4. The member nations of the United Axis of Socialist States reaffirm their recognition of Dysanii, Mor'os, and Myroria as separate and independent states and will not interfere with their relations with each other or with other powers, except as it relates to the peace of Easteros or the direct security of the UASS member states.
5. Myroria recognizes as legitimate the claims of member nations of the United Axis of Socialist States on all areas of Southern (formerly Dysanii) Ryazania and agrees to follow any rules and regulations enforced by the member nations of the UASS. 
5.1 The UASS member nations that maintain claims to territory in Southern Ryazania shall maintain custodianship over their claims for a period of two years, after which the people of Southern Ryazania shall decide their destiny in a plebiscite.
5.2 During the two year period before the plebiscite, the UASS nations shall exercise sovereign rights over their claims in Southern Ryazania.
6. Any lands that have been claimed and secured by Non-State Actors shall be administered in a similar manner to Metz Minor.

"Is this more reasonable?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Saletsia on July 11, 2007, 11:35:49 PM
"It is."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 11, 2007, 11:50:33 PM
Tadom nodded in agreement. "This is something that I can sign. And you are right, the matter of Dysanii's request  that Mor'os take some form of protective stewardship of the nation is something that shall be discussed separately and finalized at a different time. Metz Minor of course would fall under this sphere of influence, but we will respect the treaty's term and not militarize the island or construct any sort of military base on it. Still, the UASS should expect to potentially hear more from Mor'os."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 11, 2007, 11:55:21 PM
"Of course.  Mor'os has behaved reasonably and honorably throughout this crisis, and not only do we feel obligated to hear from Mor'os, we welcome it."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 12, 2007, 01:14:05 AM
"I also accept these terms, now where do we sign?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 12, 2007, 01:34:30 AM
I'll have to accept...where's my pen?
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 12, 2007, 02:12:36 AM
"The Union of Free Men did not contribute to the war effort. We will not pay them."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 12, 2007, 03:34:02 AM
"The Union lost many of their troops during the engagement. I can vouch for them, as my brother of Division A fought alongside a Union regiment during the opening days of the war."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 12, 2007, 03:58:45 AM
Richard pulled the document to himself and signed it...
RICHARD BLACK, UICHI RYU
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 12, 2007, 04:01:37 AM
occ: ^ :DI guess that we assume that I and Delfos sign as well.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 12, 2007, 06:25:34 AM
Minister Yar took the document with a sigh of relief.

As representative of the gouvernment of Terrangar.

Signed

Talman Yar

Minister of foreign affairs.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 12, 2007, 03:07:42 PM
The Ozian Admivi checked her cell phone, she said to them, "I must be going."

She immediately got out of the door and hopped on the nearest plane to her carrier.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 12, 2007, 03:25:04 PM
Both the Talmänner signed the document as future peacekeepers. "Danken Sie für this wonderful treaty, Herr," said Adolf. "It has been a pleasure working with you all. May peace and prosperity shine on your nations." After Mikael signed, he looked up and said, "Ach... What he said..." After a few slight chuckles, he noticed the Ozian leaving. "Wait! Will you not sign...?" It was too late, she had gone. "That was wierd. What would prompt that? Especially right as we were signing?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 12, 2007, 03:37:10 PM
"Well, I wish I could follow suit with the Ozian, but I don't think I'd get away with it." Emma laughed.

She took out her pen and signed the document, with a slight pause between her first and last name as if she was thinking if what she was doing was right.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 12, 2007, 03:40:17 PM
"I have an uneasy feeling" Minister Yar said.
"That was a bit too sudden"
He looked after the Oznian delegate.
Then his eyes moved across the room as if he was searching for something, something amiss in all the turbulence that had set in.
Somewhat helpless he looked up to the Saletsian delegate.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 12, 2007, 06:50:01 PM
Francis looked about nervously and then headed for the door.
"I'll be needing my gun, Ozians leaving suddenly is never a good sign."
He grabbed his gun from the guards and lit a cigar. someone might need to be killed and he was going to be ready for that possability...
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 12, 2007, 07:44:22 PM
Minister Yar looked around. Suddenly he felt like an idiot as he began to search the place were the Ozian emissary had been placed for things lying around. Things big enough to cause trouble.
Then he followed the Uichi Ryu delegate.
"Wait up, don`t do anything rushed" he called out.
While walking up to the door he turned around calling "Have the place searched, I may be seeing ghosts but just to be sure"
To the guards he said "And watch that woman from Myroria. If anything happens to her we will be in hell"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 12, 2007, 08:50:26 PM
ooc: CL what do you mean? I can't find the pen to sign it..gives you time to explain
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 12, 2007, 09:01:52 PM
"sure thing Yar. it may be wise if you come with me, these Ozians have been known to destroy entire cities when they are displeased. we will go to my ship in the harbor, from there we can video link with the conference."
as he passed a small regiment of Uichi Ryan Soldiers he said the following.
"You there go search the conference room, i want this entire region on high alert, that Ozian left way to fast for anyone to be comfortable with. I SAID MOVE IT SOLDIER!!!!"
he continued walking to the harbor shouting orders at soldiers.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 12, 2007, 09:08:33 PM
Emma looked around and took a Luger from her beltline, putting it on the table. She then took out her cell phone and hit "3".

"Meneldur, this is Emma. The Ozians left suddenly, and some of the delegates are worried they might be trying something. I hope they just didn't want to sign the document, but you always have got to be sure. Excuse me for a moment."

"Guards! I want to to be alert and ready."

"I'll see you soon Meneldur."

"Emma, if you want to leave, just do so. I've heard the terms, tell them I myself say it's fine if you don't have time to sign."

"I've signed already, Meneldur, and I'm not worried. I'll have the guards lead me to the car."

"Good, good. I'll see you soon."

"You too, Meneldur."

Emma hung up.

"I'm sorry to be leaving so soon, but it must be the hype that's going on. Meneldur wants me back in Myroria. Thank you for everything. Goodbye."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Mor'os on July 12, 2007, 09:10:32 PM
"Well, if we are finished here..." said Tadom, slightly mystified by the panic that had gripped the other representatives, "Then I suppose I will lend my final approval to this document. I hope that a seal will perform the same as a written signature?" Without waiting for an answer to this rhetorical question he produced two seals and a container of, as was revealed when it was opened, black and red ink. One seal went into the red, the other the black,and both were stamped down neatly, one on top of the other, onto the paper.

"It has been an honor to work with you. Please, I will take my leave now," Tadom concluded with a stiff bow to the others present, before taking his leave.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 12, 2007, 09:18:07 PM
"I wouldn't simply assign dark ulterior motives behind the actions of the Ozian diplomat.  After all, the agreement's concluded, we've begun to sign, and there's no real reason for them to maintain a representative here.  After all, St Oz is not directly treated or mentioned in this treaty.  Speaking of which..."

He pulled out his fountain pen and signed.

"I'll take my leave though, as this meeting seems to be breaking up."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 12, 2007, 09:27:27 PM
Minister Yar found out that having been a conscripted soldier a long time ago did not compensate for being a diplomat for so many years.
He had some troubles following the man from Uichi Ryu.

"Wait up, what are you going to do?"
He cursed himself for spending more time with the reading of files and less with some exercise.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 12, 2007, 09:39:53 PM
"we are going to make sure this city can withstand an Ozian assault. this is a job not just for diplomats but for soldiers and workers, those who are willing to do what needs to be done."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Talmann on July 12, 2007, 10:02:25 PM
OOC: I guess my two delegates will go, too, as they're the last ones in the room...
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 13, 2007, 03:13:39 AM
OOC: LOL! you people are unnecessarily paranoid, There's only 60 Staii fighters in the area and there's only 1 fleet there and there's only 80,000 Ozian Troops in the area

You can't do much with that! rofl!!!
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Zimmerwald on July 13, 2007, 03:18:57 AM
OOC: in other words, listen to this:

Quote from: G-C
I wouldn't simply assign dark ulterior motives behind the actions of the Ozian diplomat.  After all, the agreement's concluded, we've begun to sign, and there's no real reason for them to maintain a representative here.  After all, St Oz is not directly treated or mentioned in this treaty.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 13, 2007, 03:46:19 AM
Maja felt nervous at the others' reaction to the sudden exit of Oz's representative. She heard stories about these Ozians...

"Representatives, I'm sure there's nothing to be alarmed. By the way, I have bought along a little trinket form the State research programs."

Maja pulled out what look like a long and narrow thermo bottle in bronze silver.

"This container is made out of several thick layers of tungsten high alloy and boron carbide matrix. It was design to protect and preserve treaty documents, like the one we wrote for this peace summit. In combination with a oil shock layer and airtight lock seal, any document store inside can resist explosive blast and high temperature up to 4500 degrees Celsius. We were hoping to test this with the original copy of this treaty...with your permission fellow Representatives."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 13, 2007, 04:02:52 AM
"I would put my hands on fire for the Loyalists! But shouldn't we sign it first?"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 13, 2007, 04:26:20 AM
Maja takes the document.

"There I sign it... your turn, Representative."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Delfos on July 13, 2007, 02:33:35 PM
«Lex Kazi Delfos
Council President
New Delfos»
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 14, 2007, 11:58:12 AM
Richard made it to the Bay of Light and immediately headed for his Yacht. it was easily seen as it was purchased with riches far beyond those of the area where ownership was not known. he sat down at his control panel and opened a conference call to his brother Prime Minister Francis Black.

"Francis, we might have a situation here."

"Richard did you shoot someone again?"

"NO! fuck you! everytime i say somethings wrong you automaticly assume i shot someone...."

"well thats because you shoot alot of people Richard. anyhow whats the problem?"

"the Ozian delegate left way to quickly for my liking. we should put this area on high alert and complete lockdown! have Xyrael lockdown the Straight of Atl. we don't want any cities turning to sh on us!"

"okay richard just go do something while i make the proper calls."
-call ended-

richard started pacing and chain smoking.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 14, 2007, 12:28:59 PM
Minister Yar had followed the Uichi Ryan emissary on his ship.
He had remained silent during the transmission.
"Well, the idea just came to me. What if that`s what the Oznians wanted. When they saw that not everything was going according to their plan they wished to create a panic so the conference would fall apart."

"However that plan seemed to have failed. Everybody already signed before leaving, except for the Oznians."

He turned toward the smoking man.

"I don`t want to impose on you ambassador, but could I get a cup of coffee, maybe with a shot of rum. My nerves are a bit on edge. Also I would like to contact the crew of my plane. Thank you"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: St Oz on July 14, 2007, 02:29:42 PM
Quote
"the Ozian delegate left way to quickly for my liking. we should put this area on high alert and complete lockdown! have Xyrael lockdown the Straight of Atl. we don't want any cities turning to sh on us!"

OOC: Not a good idea Uichi Ryu. Besides I'm not doing anything. The reason Ozians came to help UASS is because St Oz has trade relations with Xyrael (and possibly other members of UASS) and felt their commerce would be threatened. There are reasons the Ozians didn't sign

1) This Ozian Government doesn't like to be bounded (explains the Nerdic Issue)
2) Some ideas in the treaty wasn't favorable
3) St Oz only played a minor role in this conflict, basically protecting the Sea from Dysanii and other invaders
4) St Oz was barely mentioned
5) We don't need money, we've got Moacian Laborers to mine Gold and a 67% Tax Rate

Besides if you looked at the Ozian stats lately I capped the population so we weren't such a HyperPower. Now we're more of a Superpower....

Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 16, 2007, 07:17:58 PM
OOC: just Richard being paranoid, its in his character.his brother isn't taking him seriously don't worry.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 18, 2007, 04:46:10 PM
Richard looked to Yar with wild eyes. "hmm yes indeed, you can use the communication array on the wall over there for contact. and i will be able to summon you your order..."
he went to a small computer screen and punched in the order for himself and Yar.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 18, 2007, 05:04:53 PM
Talman Yar walked to the comm console.
"Captain Xolotl? This is Minister Yar. Please excuse me for not showing up. Return to Terrangar and await further orders. Quetzalcoatl has not arrived"
"understood, we will comply" answered a voice.
He turned around to his host.
"Well it looks like the city is still there" He took a pause "And maybe it will stay that way.
Now that I can find time to think about it I still don`t understand why the Oznian delegate left in such a hurry. But this is a base inside Llanydern. If they planned an attack as you suggested they would have to go over several countries. And if they are not magicians and ride on dragons the radar should spot any missile or attack force from the air. Besides weren't you allies? "
He looked at the Uichi Ryan delegate. "I was mistrusting him too, but I tought more along the lines of a planted bomb. Besides I was somewhat taken by surprise by the scene he made. Are they always like that? I always had the picture of a wise and enlightened people in mind when I tought about them. Well you never stop to learn"
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 18, 2007, 07:42:44 PM
"i never underestimate the ozians, they may be allies of ours but it is as having a rabid wolf sleep in your bed. Ozia is a dangerous and bloodthirsty nation. they practice a religion which states they are the chosen people and are to inheret the whole of the world. but they would have attacked by now if they were going to."
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 18, 2007, 08:32:15 PM
"Then we should maybe return to the conference and see how things have settled. And while I am here with you anyway I would like to propose an embassy exchange between our nations. I was about to send you a letter when I was called over here. But you will get the letter. After all bureaucracy must be served" Minister Yar smiled.
"I also would like to extend this exchange to the other UASS nations and their supporters. I would be glad if I could have your help with that. I want to contact the Dyzanii about offering our aid in returning their soldiers home.
The faster this is over the faster peace is restored."
"And thank you for the coffee. It was very good" he said putting down the empty cup.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 18, 2007, 09:36:47 PM
"i agree with what you say, the Diplomatic Corps will take care of everything on  our end especialy with a communication from me. the best way however for the rest of the member countries is to talk directly to the UASS council. i could set up a video conference for you or we could fly you out there. but yes let us return to the council and figure out who else signed."
he made for the door with a more calm and confident stride.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 18, 2007, 09:44:21 PM
Minister Yar followed suit in the tradition of his country not wanting to leave after the host.
This had gone better than he had hoped.
"Maybe I can return with good news" he thought,
"Thank you for the offer. If possible I would like to talk to the council directly. I will bring a treaty of peace we wish to sign with your nations." he said while they returned to the building.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Ryazania on July 24, 2007, 01:37:47 AM
OOC: There will not be peace now that I am here.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 24, 2007, 01:59:58 AM
OOC: aww fuck.....
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 24, 2007, 02:53:39 AM
ooc: uhh ya'll fucked now.  ;D :-P
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Union on July 24, 2007, 02:58:39 AM
occ: Didn't Ryaz forfeit all ownership of his lands to Myroria? He's pretty much a hermit government now...
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Aquatoria on July 24, 2007, 03:00:55 AM
ooc: So he's a government-in-exile. That could make a great RP. Trying to reestabish his rule in Ryzania. That would be awesome. I would recognize him as the legitmate government.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Ranholn on July 24, 2007, 11:33:06 AM
ooc:ryazania has no claim to this land any more he know runs novus parco
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 24, 2007, 01:53:36 PM
He decided to stop using that. You can't tell someone he has no control over his own fucking nation.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 24, 2007, 02:02:00 PM
OOC Actually most people have no control over their own fucking nation in RL ;D

Besides what`s so bad about him coming back. So Ryazania gets a government that has a Player behind it.
Sounds good to me.

Or did I once again miss something O:-)
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 24, 2007, 02:04:59 PM
I don't think the communists like it because his nation and mine just happen to be allies and have virtually the same political ideology.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: The Empire on July 24, 2007, 02:28:32 PM
No, it has more to do with something called PRINCIPLES of FAIRNESS that is something important to use in a game.
If someone gives it all up *he can't expect to just waltz back in and expect to be able to pick up where *he left off.

If Ryaz wants back in RP he can start over from scratch and play along with the same rules as everyone else. And that goes for you too Garth, quit trying to convince people to alloe exceptions from fairness and just principles for you and your friends. I for one thinks those repeated attempts are a perfectly good excuse for pretending Myroria never existed on Taijitu.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 24, 2007, 02:49:59 PM
What are you talking about?

IT'S HIS NATION.

You're proposing taking Ryazania's nation from him. Depriving him of being able to play how he wants. How does being gone immediately make your opinion about wanting your nation back irrelevant? How is that "fairness"? If forcibly disallowing a returning person to use their nation is "fair", I don't know what you've come to.

And go ahead, pretend - and I mean "pretend" - I don't exist. You'll be the only one.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: The Empire on July 24, 2007, 03:17:22 PM
I am not talking about the NS nation, I am talking about the RP nation on the MAP, that was RESIGNED BY HIM and is thus no longer his.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 24, 2007, 03:19:10 PM
He should be able to take it back. Even if he resigned it, he still has an advance claim should he come back, which he did.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: The Empire on July 24, 2007, 03:20:43 PM
NO, resigning means to FORFEIT all and any claims one may have had.

Anything else is godmoding
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 24, 2007, 04:03:41 PM
Well I agree that you can`t take away his NS nation.
And about his RP nation why not stick with the "Government in exile" idea. If he wants his RP nation back why not let him RP the return of his government. Happens often enough in real live. Once the land is free the Dissidents return. O:-)
(However I don`t know if he simply "Gave it all away" or he didn't want to play his nation anymore and staged a coup against his government?)
In the latter case RP-ing his return would be interessting.
Would that be be okay with you Empire?
I mean it`s a role play and as long as he makes up a good story about it. :shrug:

 :2c:
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 24, 2007, 04:51:09 PM
wait he has Novus Parco now so his claim to Ryazania is complete bunk unless he gives that up. he gave up Ryazania so he could have Novus Parco. anyhow this is useless arguing it comes down to what Ryaz wants to try and then it comes down to a mod decision.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Pachamama on July 24, 2007, 04:57:42 PM
Ah that´s how it was.
Thanks for clearing that up PUR. ;)

Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 24, 2007, 05:12:16 PM
no problem.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 24, 2007, 05:42:15 PM
He did give up NP. I don't think he's using it anymore.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 24, 2007, 06:11:47 PM
did he? mind sending me a link to where he said it? because this is news to me.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 24, 2007, 06:16:08 PM
IRC. He never said "Novus Parco", but he implied he was going to do a revolution and never mentioned reRPing NP.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Khem on July 24, 2007, 06:17:10 PM
it should be stated the one which he intends to keep and the other should be a NPN.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Myroria on July 24, 2007, 06:31:24 PM
Alright, let's wait for him to post.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Ryazania on July 24, 2007, 07:41:25 PM
OOC: Actually, I was kidding, so it doesn't really matter. KR, you're still being a bit of a prick anyway, thought you ought to know.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: The Empire on July 24, 2007, 08:32:24 PM
Well I am always a bit of a prick when it comes to things I percive as unfair, and just for the records, I think the government in exile idea has an absolutely GREAT RP potential and thus would be perfectly fine by me.
In this case, and in most of the other cases I act like a complete ass is when I detect a hint of anyone wanting to skip around actually RPing to get at something in RP.
Title: Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
Post by: Xyrael on July 27, 2007, 05:54:20 AM
ooc: several things. #1 take all these ooc comments and make a new thread please
#2 who owns/controls what exactly?
#3 is this peace summit a failure?
#4 if there is no peace, i'm gonna wriggle my way into this, if you don't want me to PM me
Quote
NO YOU IDIOT DON"T JOIN
something like that
#5 Can G-C or another personally PM me a brief summary of the recent events? I don't feel like having a long read right now