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Author Topic: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit  (Read 13701 times)

Offline Myroria

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #135 on: July 11, 2007, 12:39:05 AM »
"Yes, we want it, just as much as the communists want Ryazania. But when the communists invade and lay claim to a legitimately bought territory, it's fine with you?"
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #136 on: July 11, 2007, 12:42:22 AM »
"You knew full well that the territory you bought was involved in an active conflict directly on the side of those responsible for initiating the first act of aggression. You should have known full well that the UASS was intent on securing the area to prevent such aggression in the future. I believe that the phrase is 'caveat emptor'.  Not to mention that a purchase made for the purpose of protecting and defending an aggressive and dangerous state is hardly the sort of behavior that should be rewarded. The UASS's claim to Ryazania is completely valid; the territory was used to launch a war of aggression against them, and it is within their full rights to secure it as a result. With Dysanii and Myroria however, the only reason is that Myroria simply wants Dysanii."
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #137 on: July 11, 2007, 12:47:47 AM »
"It was still a legitimate capitalist transaction. What drove the UASS to invade was the same thing that drove us: greed. They couldn't stand the thought of a capitalist nation actually existing, let alone on the same continent as most of their members. Meneldur, being the generous man he is, decided to let the communists have their land in exchange for some of our own, convieniently about the same size. So tell me: What's the problem with that? We're not getting any more land than we had before, and we're even farther from them. Does Mor'os want Myroria to have no land? Does it see Myroria's people as unworthy of actually not being crushed together out of the simple fact our system of government happens to be at odds with theirs? Does any state which is not a bureaucratic morass - oops, I mean democracy, not need land just as much as them? Do dare call Myroria unforgiving when you do not want our people to actually have some land to own and not be pushed 40 people to a classroom? Is that what Mor'os wants?"
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #138 on: July 11, 2007, 12:59:25 AM »
"The problem? The problem is that none of what you are saying makes sense. You act as if the nation of Myroria has some sort of perverted divine right to do whatever it pleases with the world, its nations and its people. Well, shock you as it might, this is not the case. Myroria cannot go and support nations who aggress others without any cause and expect to feel no repercussions, or simply demand land and expect to be vindicated because it feels like it. Any transaction made to defend and shelter the likes of Dysanii, a country which declares war for no other reason than the sake of war itself, is not legitimate. As I said before, that territory was used to attack the UASS before you ever offered to purchase it. Their claim and justification to secure it occurred before yours and as such takes precedence. That you were stupid enough to pay for the land expecting that you would then have some sort of claim to it is your own fault. I thought you laissez-faire believed in taking responsibility for poor decisions. Apparently, you only preach, not practice. Not to mention that no one else has said a word about democracy, so I really do not see what that has to do with anything."
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"Ul dé mur e nez dí zhìn bu sà."
"Don't trust the rats, they're working for the wolves."
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"Kar-dav on shí dí dor yé. Zat téi he!"
"I really like His Divinity's tail. It tickles!"
Nasme Ūtum, age 5, commenting on imperial policy.

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #139 on: July 11, 2007, 01:30:24 AM »
"so we are resorting to bickery instead of actualy working towards our goal, come children play time is of the essence lets grow up and get some adult time in. anyhow all i am willing to say as far as the Dysanii go is that i do not care if the Myrorians rape their lands, i say let them have at it. unless of course any of you wish to take it for yourselves? For Ozia? For Gallipoli-China? How about for Mor'os?"

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2007, 01:32:39 AM »
"Can we just sign the papers without this becoming a soap box shout? Your rants aren't going to change my opinion."
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2007, 01:38:07 AM »
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1. Myroria will remove their presence from Easteros. They will forfeit their claim to Ryaz as well. 
1a. All Dysanii in the areas of UASS jurisdiction and the territories of Ryazania will be returned to their homeland under the conditions of article 3.
2. Metz Minor will remain a demilitarized zone under supervision by representatives from all Easteros nations.
2.a In the case of inability to secure their livelihood at Mez Minor all Dysanii wishing to return to their homeland will be supported in this decision.
3. Myroria will pay the amounted war expenses, damage costs, and reparations to UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os and Dysanii.
4. The UASS will recognize Myroria's control over Dysanii territories, in the event that Myroria secures them.
5 Myroria will recognize the UASS's claim on areas of all of Ryazani, and will not seek to purposely violate any jurisdiction enforce by UASS members.
6. The lands that were secured by the Mercenaries will be under a combined control of all Easteros Nations.

"sound good to you folks? i am not very good at such wording but it sounds good to me."

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #142 on: July 11, 2007, 01:40:19 AM »
"Sounds good to me. I'd sign something like that."
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #143 on: July 11, 2007, 02:03:25 AM »
Adolf spoke, "As a spectator and hopefully future peacekeeper, I would also sign such a document."
Mikael twisted his face, unsure and clearly debating whether to be angry or agree. Finally he straightened up and spoke, "For the sake of resolving conflict and preventing these areas from further destruction, I will agree as well, on one condition. Although I respect the Uichi Ryan Delegate's terms, as well as those of the other UASS nations, I feel that something should be added:"
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7. The UASS will remove all armed forces as soon as a stable and elected government comes into power and remains in power for the duration of two years.
"Easy enough to do, and it will keep you socialists around long enough to make only a small impression. What say you, my fellow delegates?"
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #144 on: July 11, 2007, 02:11:46 AM »
"also added should be..."
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7.a. at the end of two years the peace conference shall reconvene to set further precident for Ryazania and wheather it is by then fit to govorn itself.
"seems to be a good addition, i thank you for your contributation Mikael. now how does everyone feel about this?"

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #145 on: July 11, 2007, 02:13:16 AM »
"I thought that I would at least dealing with some principled people, and even more importantly, people with an actual backbone to stand up for themselves." Tadom shrugged.  "But that does not seem to be the case. Why the UASS so wants Myroria to expand its influence and power is something which is beyond me, nor why they seem so fearful of Myroria. The UASS combined with Myroria and Mor'os would be more than a match for them. But it's quite obvious that I won't get anywhere with this. I suppose I'll just have to accept it."
"Ul dé mur e nez dí zhìn bu sà."
"Don't trust the rats, they're working for the wolves."
Shauas Tadom, age 6,  commenting on national security.

"Kar-dav on shí dí dor yé. Zat téi he!"
"I really like His Divinity's tail. It tickles!"
Nasme Ūtum, age 5, commenting on imperial policy.

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #146 on: July 11, 2007, 02:15:57 AM »
Adolf: "Wunderbar! Und ein bißchen schlaflich, can we hurry this up? (wonderful, and a bit tired...)"
Mikael: "Sei Ruh. Ich finde es gut. (Be quiet. I think it's ok.)"
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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #147 on: July 11, 2007, 02:17:36 AM »
"Uichi Ryu has no fear of the Pelagian Empire. we just don't care what happens to Dysanii. but i am glad you are coming around." richard smiled perhaps i can go take a good rest soon...

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #148 on: July 11, 2007, 02:29:43 AM »
"I was under the impression that the UASS and its members were more principled than to sell entire nations into the hands of greedy warmongers, certainly from Gallipoli-China, but..." Tadom shrugged again, defeated. "It appears that I was wrong."
"Ul dé mur e nez dí zhìn bu sà."
"Don't trust the rats, they're working for the wolves."
Shauas Tadom, age 6,  commenting on national security.

"Kar-dav on shí dí dor yé. Zat téi he!"
"I really like His Divinity's tail. It tickles!"
Nasme Ūtum, age 5, commenting on imperial policy.

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Re: Southern Ryazania Peace Summit
« Reply #149 on: July 11, 2007, 02:42:36 AM »
"I want to hear what my other allies have to say first. Personally, I believe Dysanii is of no matter to us...but I can understand what Tadom says and further Myrorian expansion indeed is disturbing. Add:"

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Myroria shall grant the people of Dysanii freedom to an autonomous governing body while being formally a part of the Empire. Furthermore shall the security of Dysanyian culture and norms be ensured. There shall be no forms of assimilation to Myrorian lifestyle.[/quite]

"What about this?"