Southern Ryazania Peace Summit

[Myroria]

OOC: The cost isn't really that high, because there's no set price. Let's assume, just for argument purposes, that each nation spends 50,000 USD per soldier. The real cost would be lower for nations with conscription and other factors, but let's just take that number. Now, Dysanii surrendered quickly, so let's assume, I don't know, one million people on the UASS-Mor'os side died. Mor'os didn't really do any fighting at all, I think, but maybe I'm wrong. So, if you multiply one million by 50,000, you get:

50,000,000,000

Or fifty billion. Two million dead would make 100 billion, and so on. Let's also assume that, since the Kolonialreich mark's exchange rate always hovers at 1.00 KRM=2.10-2.14 USD, we'll just round that down to 2.00. Then, you can divide 50 billion to be 25 billion. 100 billion is 50 billion. So on and so forth. Government waste allows for ~543 billion Kolonialreich marks, so no more than roughly 1 trillion in damages.

[Talmann]

OOC: Oz- as Dys said, Metz Minor is 100% Dysanii. Myro doesn't, and shouldn't have to move them all out, it wouldn't make RP sense to leave an island abandoned.

Adolf spoke up, "I agree with the esteemed diplomat. Too much independence now may cause any radicals left in the country to continue attacks against UASS countries, such as Llandern and the Chinese Loyalist occupied areas. What do you think, Herr Schlangdorf?"

(Mikael) "I think that the Dysanii-Ryazanians should be given Independence and not be watched over by these communist hawks, all too eager to push their propoganda at them. The only help they'll need is enough to get the country back on its feet, in terms of humanitarian needs, and economic needs. I also think, following my original lines, that if Myroria cannot put any soldier upon Southern Ryazanian soil, than neither should any other nation. I say that the Chinese and Saletsians pull out!"

[Saletsia]

"We will pull out as soon as we know what will happen to Southern Ryazania: leaving now without ensurance of stability is not an option."

[Talmann]

"As long as it is soon, I will not care." Mikael sat down, then said under his breath, "Verdammten Kommunists..."

[Aquatoria]

The Canadian represenative had been so quiet till now. "Then what we do is create a joint PI-UASS peacekeeping force. That will have to be an option. That way we are all neutral. We are there to make sure a civil war doesn't break out. We guide the Southern Ryzanian government on it's road to good government. This way we aren't pushing them with our own political ideals. They can make their own decision."

[Talmann]

"No. That will still be forcing our ideals on them. Plus, who's to say that PI and the UASS will agree. Sure, we may come to an agreement, but the soldiers may not. And besides, who are you to speak for the entirety of Pax Imperium? I see no other PI member besides Myroria here, and they have already decided that Myroria may not land one soldier, in peace or war, to land upon those shores. We cannot. We must grant them independence from foreign domination, and let them choose what they wish to do."

OOC: Yes, Mikael is a hot-head.

[Aquatoria]

But we will be there to protect them in case of civil war. Something that will happen no matter what we choose. I can't speak for all of the PI nations, but if this is our plan, they might agree with me.

[Talmann]

"But surely many of Ryazania are tired of war, and tired of military occupation? Komm, mein Freund, surely you don't think there will be a civil war? For the time being, at least, many in Ryazania are tired of war, tired of guns and explosions in the night. And I am sure they are tired of all the communists that have recently been taking over their land. The only civil war I can foresee would be a purge of any who believed these communists, because South Ryazania, as I've heard, is fiercely capitalist and very nationalist, so any person who thinks a foreign communist is right, in my viewpoint, would be reason enough to exile them. But I get caught up in my personal matters. We must get back on topic here, shouldn't we? I still vehemently believe that these people can handle themselves. All they need is some economic boosting. Their main portion of the economy was war products and those were bombed. Therefore, they will need jobs, they will need money. We may be able to provide this, and once they see us in a more favorable light, they may open relations with us in the future, after they have settled into their own government."

Adolf added on to this, "For once, I agree with my friend here. Not in the fact that communists are the cause of strife in Ryazania, but in the fact that these people will be able to govern themselves. If we help them economically, we may train their police forces to instill order, we may help many infant or destroyed industries get back up on their feet. Surely we do not need many troops there, if at all," he added, noting Mikael's angry glare. "Perhaps having peacekeeping organizations in Southern Ryazania instead of soldiers? Organizations that are unarmed but help the nation regroup and reorganize?"

[Union]

occ: The forum should have some dice roll sort of application to decide the plebiscite... 
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"Sigh...there's a saying in our country: "Nationalism killed peace." It seems what we have here is a disagreement between parties on difference in opinion. May I remind some of you, that this is a peace treaty for Easteros, not the world. Hence, I think the point of views of the most affected members should have the most say. I think its important that the non-Easteros nations here should pay attention to the needs of directly-affected nations of this war, namely Llanydern and South Ryaz. Please do not turn this into a international political orgy...

Retribution should be the most pressing point of this agreement, I can care less if it was paid by Myroria or Dysanii. War is not cheap in money or lives, and the aggressor should be the one to repay such debt for their fault.

And with the fate of South Ryaz...perhaps it be best to give these people anonymity in their own affairs. Going with Saletsia's point, the UASS must first take time to stabilize the region first before a move to independence. And there after, I believe that the UASS should become a formal protector and monitor of South Ryaz, to insure that no outside nation tries to force their influence on these people."

 

[Aquatoria]

But whos going to stop the UASS from forcing their influence?

[Talmann]

"Including the UASS, may I remind you. Yes, I understand that Llanydern is also affected by this war, as is the UASS nations that lost so many of their people fighting. However," Mikael paused to sigh and take a breath. "I am of the opinion that any nation that is under the protectorate of any other nation or group of nations will slowly become dependant on that or those nations and become heavily influenced by it or them. Therefore, in order to ensure that no outside nation tries to influence Southern Ryazania, you must include yourselves and keep yourselves out. If you must stay until the newly elected government, whatever government it be, comes into power, so be it. But thereafter you shall remove your armies from the nation of Southern Ryazania. Agreed?"

[Union]

"Well, it well be pretty awkward for a independent nation to house foreigner troops against its will, won't it representative? Of course this will include us. I am merely proposing that since UASS members are the closest neighbor to south Ryaz, we should be the one enforcing the terms. We will be a merely a cooperative partner to the new nation of South Ryaz."

[Mor'os]

"Yes," said Tadom, finally getting in edgewise. "While I do believe that our million soldiers would prove useful to stabilizing Southern Ryzania for the immediate time, once the place has been stabilized and the people have chosen their own path then I would not dream of keeping them stationed there, short of some incredible change in the fundamental situation."

[Delfos]

"Is there monetary refund?"

[Pachamama]

Talman Yar had stood up and walked over to the Saletsian representative.
He had presented a paper and talked to him while the others were arguing.
Now he turned to the assembly.
"Honored representatives, If I may I would like to suggest a new draft, somewhat a union of UASS and Oznian proposals. Mind you gentleman it is only a suggestion, but maybe we can use it as a base and expand upon it to hammer out an agreement."

1. Myroria will remove their presence from Easteros. They will forfeit their claim to Ryaz as well. 
1a. All Dysanii in the areas of UASS jurisdiction and the territories of Ryazania will be returned to their homeland under the conditions of article 3.
2. Metz Minor will remain a demilitarized zone under supervision by representatives from all Easteros nations.
2.a In the case of inability to secure their livelihood at Mez Minor all Dysanii wishing to return to their homeland will be supported in this decision.
3. Myroria will pay the amounted war expenses, damage costs, and reparations to UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os and Dysanii.
4. The UASS will not recognize Myroria's control over Dysanii territories, in the event that Myroria secures them.
5 Myroria will recognize the UASS's claim on areas of all of Ryazani, and will not seek to purposely violate any jurisdiction enforce by UASS members.
6. The lands that were secured by the Mercenaries will be under a combined control of UASS, St Oz, and Mor'os, Until they are seen fit to govern themselves.

OOC: I`m off to work now. Wait with taring and feathering me until I´m back, will you