First Citiatlan Conference

[Pachamama]

"I agree. Isolation is the dead of any market based economy.
To get back on the Delfian problem I don`t think the people from CL are so gullible. If they get closer to a country like Myroria I believe that it is due to the downward trend in their economy. They probably look to an "Expert" in this matter and believe there is none here on Easteros. Maybe-but that is just speculation on my part- they want to change their economic style. but I don´t think that they would turn into mass murderers because of this.
Our nation has long since been dealing with them. So far they have been sensible people.
I however agree with you that we should find a common position on this problem. Better be prepared than sorry."

[Saletsia]

"Indeed. By the way, may I ask what kind of space program it is that your nation is pursuing?"

[Pachamama]

"I don´t have the details as this project lies with the Ministry of education and science. But as far as I have been told we are planning to develop a rocket to bring communication satellites  into a Near Taijitu Orbit
Later on they propose experimentation in space to develop new materials and other projects. The scientific community is abuzz with ideas. But I believe first we must get the rocket to work.
However the Ministry responsible is going to issue a statement trough my office when everything is decided.
Sometimes money gets diverted as needs arise. But we would really like to see this trough"

[Xyrael]

To: New Delfos

We have noticed the mistreatment and butchery of Delfians across the world, and wish to invite your peoples abroad to stay within Xyrael under a indefinite immigrant workers permit, until the time comes when they wish or must depart for New Delfos. This permit does not imply that they must work, and they may form their own communities and construct Delfian factories, but we'd ask that they report their activites to Internal Affairs as does every Xyraelite within the State, and suffer the same consequences for breaking our laws. We offer your peoples refuge, and will pay for their transportation to our shores.

Mekkal smiled a bit at the Saletsian representative. "No, you can still trade with overseas nations. This treaty would merely be an Eastian Free Trade agreement, lowering tariffs imposed upon Eastian goods sold within Easteros. I also suggest we set up a relief fund for nations whose economies are declining, and use this fund to subsidize Eastian companies that have begun failing. We should be allowed to construct factories in each others nations, provided we abide by said nations economic regulations. The State of Xyrael would be more than willing to contribute to the Eastian cause in all of these capacities."

"On the note of the Delfians, we will not tolerate the slaughter of peoples by an Eastian, for it damages the solidarity and unity of Easteros itself. The Delfians should comply by the laws of PRL, but PRL has no grounds on which to kill them otherwise. The State of Xyrael has already discussed this amongst itself and would intervene militarily in order to extract persecuted Delfians should PRL ignore our first and only warning, with as little damage to the PRL nation as possible."

Mekkal looked at the Terrangar representative as well and smiled. "The State of Xyrael has been researching... rockets... for some time now. We've tested several varieties, and we might be able to contribute to your research. We too are looking for ways of launching rockets into space, but for different purposes. On that note, perhaps we should also focus on a humanitarian relief effort, to assist Eastians in need, which will be drawn from... say 3% of the healthcare budget of member states?"

[Saletsia]

Betshev was pleased by Mekkal's words.
"Such a free trade agreement sounds very sensible, as well as the relief fund. Saletsia would be glad to take part in such ventures."

[Pachamama]

"As would be Terrangar." Minister Yar said.
"We already have a factory exchange program, offering space in our trade port of Yacatecuhtlititlan.
Currently we are setting up shop in another nation and as far as I know Uichi Ryu has already a company in Terrangar.
The relief fund is a good idea too. Are we going to use it for disaster relief during natural disasters if a country cannot cope with them on it´s own?"
"On the Delfian problem we could offer Delfians that reach our shore asylum and transfer them to Xyrael. We are also willing to give them medical treatment.
We may be able to support some people , however to prevent them from forming getthos we would like to integrate them amongst our people. They can keep their traditions and such but would not run the risk to become alienated to the rest of the nation.
I think mostly about families with children and the elderly. I must however discuss this with the parliament. I can not make this decision on my own. We might have to put up a citizens vote on that matter"
He turned toward Mekkal. "I will inform the Ministry of education and Science to put you on the list. However we are somewhat reluctant to develop this project for military use. But I think we can discuss the details with my colleague from the Ministry."

[Xyrael]

"Ah, so Terrangar already has a factory exchange program? I'm sure Saletsia would not mind such a thing, nor Uichi Ryu. The relief fund would be allocated to any nation which finds itself unable to assist it's people. These include natural disaster, nuclear weapons and radiation, uncontrollable firestorms, and more commonly, typhoons. It also assists with supplying refugee camps in case of a war, so that the peoples are not harmed by war. By economic damage, I refer to the people as workers of a country, without workers an economy cannot produce goods nor find a market to sell their goods. Perhaps the humanitarian relief fun and economic fund can be integrated as one, with a slight percentage increase. Of course, I understand there will be no direct obligation for any nation to pay, but as fellow Eastians I'm fairly certain this will not falter."

Mekkal took a sip of tea, which he had noticed the Talmanner wasn't enjoying much, before continuing, "I don't like the term ghetto when referring to the asylum we offer the Delfians. It seems to imply a run down, highly ethnic but inherently poor area. I prefer to call them enclaves, such as Little Ozia which is being allocated to Ozia even now. The Ozians share control over the land with Xyrael, and the people are requested to uphold Xyraeli laws, while adhering to culturally important Ozian laws as well. Little Ozia will also receive food at very low prices, and it will be administrated by the Ozian government, and even contributes to the Ozian economy. I will offer Delfos a similar deal, although not quite so large, and with minimal Delfian military present. It will be directly protected by Xyraeli military, I understand New Delfos is not our military ally, but he will be allowed to station a garrison inside the enclave."

"As for your space program, I wouldn't worry. The rockets we are developing are independent of our military projects for developing uses for them. They're merely intended to fly where you want them. The same rockets used to launch warheads could easily launch satellites instead."

"I'd also like to suggest a non-aggression treaty amongst Eastian nations that commit to this proposal. It would entail that no two member nations may aggress against the other directly. If we also created this union, I'd ask that we keep it open to new additions and revisions at any date. Once the Easteros community begins coming closer together, we may be more inclined to offer each other more."

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PUR you should talk to, this is meant for you too, you're already in the damned room.

[Khem]

OOC: sorry i was at work all until midnight.

IC:

Francis Black had been contmplating the proposals of his fellow Eastian leaders. sipping his coffee and smoking a cigarette he had acknowleged each arrival with a handshake and a nod. he suddenly broke from his introversion.
 
 "My fellow leaders i have to say i do enjoy what most of you have proposed, however Uichi Ryu has no interest in the playground of the Elder Ones. we shall not pay toword any adventures to reach space. yet i am highly interested in free trade and exchanging of companies. Uichi ryu has many of its major industries managed and owned by the govornment that i happen to be the head of. i believe this would benifit us more than it would yourselves but then the prosperity of one nation of Easteros is the prosperity of us all. as for the delfians we are currently not inclined to offer the handful that remain besides a fully paid trip back to New Delfos. as for an Eastian Aide Fund.... we support this many times over and are willing to pay out a total of one trillion dollars towords it (thank god for that law and order budget i barely touch). i also think that a simple non-aggression pact is not good enough, we need a full mutual defense agreement in which if any member nation is attacked then it will be the duty of all others undersigned to come to their full military and economic aide. i hope you will all consider this and remember that no matter what we decide today Uichi ryu is a friend to all Eastians."

he had been doodling as he spoke, currently it looked to be an image of Ryazania proper with the uichi ryan flag as a filler.

[Xyrael]

Mekkal realized that the Terrangar representative Yar and Saletsian Betshev may not keen on the idea of a military alliance, no matter how much he agreed with his comrade. He had been trying to contemplate a way around this, and he thought he might have an idea.

"The space program can simply be summed up as a peaceful co-op between Xyrael and Terrangar. As for the fund, I'd also be willing to allocate a large sum of money, although I'm not quite sure how much as I don't have my budget handy all day." Mekkal chuckled, the whiskers in his goatee concealed lips which always seemed to be smiling. "The question of a military alliance is another one. I agree with my brother Black that, considering the recent fall of the UASS, a new alliance needs to be formed so that Pax Imperium is not free to bully around everyone they want. I realize that some members may have reservations about this idea, however. Perhaps we could create a military alliance as an arm of the Union, an optional body whose goal is to work for the progress of Easteros and the friends of our land? If Saletsia and Terrangar are both opposed to this idea, then I'll allow this to drop. For now I want to see Eastians unite, I don't want this proposal to fail because some nations may disagree with the military alliance operative."

[Delfos]

To: Xyrael (whoever sent that letter)
From: Supreme Council of New Delfos

We thank your kindness and attitude towards this issue. But we are not prepared to support this kind of community. We are facing a possible civil war and we are already creating a community for refugees in the former Utopia. We will have to study a more precise and possible way of creating such protection, however, our emigrants are fully aware of the laws and culture wherever they go. They have educational programs, all of them know the language of the countries they adopt as home. (ooc:using my education card). The problem is that our emigrants are misunderstood by fanatic terrorists that poisoned several delfian communities. Including inside our own territory. Our SIS counted 2million confirmed dead delfians due to anti-delfism last year, more than half happening in Oz. We fear the numbers are a million higher since allot are missing, afraid of exposing themselves. The press is kept away from this.
If you guarantee the safety of our citizens under your state and law, they can fully operate as immigrants, participating and developing your economy and society. We wish that you publish on your press about receiving the mistreated delfians, so they know where's a safe place to be. It's out of our hands, we don't have means to protect or lead all the emigrants. If agreed, we thank you in advance. We will contact you again for more agreements about this community.

Take care,
Supreme Council of New Delfos
Councilor Kein Swotten.

[Khem]

"ah well Mekkal being Prime Minister in Uichi Ryu requires one to know such things at all times. allows me to stimulate the economy properly. anyhow i have to say i quite like your idea but would like to expand on it. i believe we could make it known weather or not a nation wishes to be a defender or to just be defended, it just makes sense to allow your brethren to aide if you are attacked but the ability to defend others may be something that only some of us are willing to lend. i would just like it down on paper who wants to be defended and who is willing to defend. we can categorize this by any signitories being listed in one of two subgroups of this agreement. group A would be in for a full mutual defense treaty while group B would be in on the non- agression pact side. those of group A would defend any of the undersigned while those in group B would agree to be non-violent towords all undersigned. its a fair idea in my book but what say you?"

he grinned as he had sensed Mekkals unwillingness to push for a military agreement but it is what is needed in betwenn all nations of Eastian origins.

[Saletsia]

After thinking about both suggestions from Mekkal and Prime Minister Black, Radu Betshev then started to stalk:
"I know my country is very much in favor of a non-aggression pact. As for a 100% mutual pact though, we still indeed have reservations since you can be pulled into a war very fast nowadays...and that is currently not part of our national agenda: especially when we put at stake the sovereignty of our newly founded Empire. Hence I would be more inclined to join group B. But group B should be given the possibility of voluntary support - either in direct or indirect means. This way, even member nations of group B can side with the other member nations and fight actively against an aggressor. That would be my suggestion."

[Pachamama]

“I agree with both my colleagues.
The nation of Terrangar would sign up for category B. However we should allow changing this at a later date if a nation may wish so.
I talked to our defense minister before I came here and he informed me that we should not sign any agreement at the moment that would expose our nation to category A.
He gave me the following reasons.
First of all our armed forces have always been there for defense of our nation. We are not equipped and trained for offensive action.
We would thus not be an asset but more of a hindrance to any military alliance.
In case of an attack other nations would have to weaken their forces to defend us and in case we are to give support we would lack the ability to do so in a useful manner - due to said lack of material and training-causing unnecessary strain to our allies.
Also this would weaken our own defensive abilities by sending a portion of our forces away from home.
Concerning the space program we respect the religious concern of Uichi Ryu. I must say we had originally planed on inviting you but I will see that you are taken from the list by your request.”


He handed Mekkal  a letter.
“From the Ministry of defence” he said.

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In case of a war Terrangar would like to stay neutral.
As a neutral country that allows damaged vessels and aircraft from  all sides to land. we would take care of the wounded and send personnel back trough their embassy's. Also as a neutral country we could become a meeting ground if peace talks should start.
The only thing that need to be cleared is if we as a sovereign nation have the right for self defense and how far this will go. We naturally can not allow for repairs other than to make a vessel seaworthy. Within our waters we could not allow vessels involved in the war to rearm, refuel and make repairs that would restore their combat readiness. Outside that zone in international waters however we have no jurisdiction.
Also there is the problem of crossing the airspace of a neutral nation with a armed plane to reach a target. This too I think can not been permitted.

OOC: I think about the Swiss and  Uruguay in WW2. A good example would be the movie "Battle at the River Plate" if you can get hold of it.
The Swiss as such even impounded military aircraft that landed on their territory

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"This document should be made available to all assembled here, but I want you to read it first.
Also it should stay within this group.
I also ask for assistance with this document. Constructive criticism and proposals would be welcome."

[Saletsia]

"Why not allow allied Eastian nations only to use your territory?"

[Pachamama]

Because this would void the very meaning of "Neutrality".
We also do not allow these nations involved in a war to use our territory, we simply permit them to make emergency landings to save their lives.
Also this only is applied to aircraft and ships that have no other choice than to come to our territory because of combat damage. We are talking about burning planes and sinking ships.