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Offline bigbaldben

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Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« on: October 05, 2015, 09:11:25 PM »
VOTE DAMMIT.

Bonus points for expressing OUTRAGE in either direction!   O:-)

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 09:30:01 PM »
Remove the loopholes in buying a gun (coughgun showscough), and you're set.

No need for restricting gun ownership, just more background checks, tests, etc.
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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 12:45:04 AM »
Remove the loopholes in buying a gun (coughgun showscough), and you're set.

No need for restricting gun ownership, just more background checks, tests, etc.

I saw a pretty graphic about this, all this nonsense on protecting gun rights, all the shootings were done with perfectly legal normally acquired guns. Those background checks are useless and people don't need guns.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1

Watch John Oliver on Mental Health kinda tackles that gun violence doesn't really have to do with mental health.
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGY6DqB1HX8[/yt]

Criminal psychology/sociology uses the term deviant for a reason, everybody, EVERYBODY deviates, having access to guns adds guns to the more serious deviations. Here read some wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deviance_%28sociology%29

Stop wasting time trying to be a conservative and protecting gun rights, fck em guns, you do not ever need them, you need EVERYTHING ELSE that makes guns useless, like proper police, proper education, proper employment, proper social welfare, proper healthcare. "Oh bears in the wilderness" use a torch you coward, or maybe make sure you're leaving bears alone by not invading their territory, still better let someone qualified to deal with bears handle it rather than using your Winchester or Revolver. Don't you have super equipped animal control and sheriffs and national guard? I remember when I was in the US we had a warning there was a mountain lion or w/e it was lurking around that bloody tiny town where I was, people didn't go out to shoot it, grow up.

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 01:58:30 AM »
Then those background checks that whoever bought those guns went through are garbage.  I think that the issue here is about the checks.

The problem is that you're never going to stop people from getting guns (yes, a cliche argument, but still a valid one).  In countries where guns are highly restricted, there is a vibrant black market full of guns.  I don't see why an average person owning a gun is a problem; the problem comes in when you, as BBB stated, mix guns with stupidity.

What we need are comprehensive, secure background checks, better treatment for the mentally sick, and as you said, forces like police, education, employment, etc.  I'm certainly not a conservative when it comes to guns; you should see some of the wackos here in the States that think background checks themselves are a violation of the Second Amendment.
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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 02:40:55 AM »
the problem comes in when you, as BBB stated, mix guns with stupidity.

What we need are comprehensive, secure background checks, better treatment for the mentally sick
You didn't really read through what I posted above, did you?

"Mentally sick" aren't stupid and aren't deviant either, they may coincidentally be all three and even then doesn't mean they are going to murder somebody.

there is no proper background check for "stupidity", and there's plenty of people with degrees that are stupid, so how are you going to do "background checks" for "stupid"?

Here guns aren't highly restricted, you won't get guns because you've cleared yourself from restrictions, it's not normal for people to own guns, period. Yes there is a black market for guns, that doesn't mean every damn person is buying guns from the black market, most people buy guns legally, the ones that are allowed to of course bc they're either certified collectors (to buy collectors items) or pay to have hunter's license. There are still guns, but most of those people with them are usually employed on agriculture/own farm terrains and do occasional hunting, they do not need to commit crimes (besides embezzling with european money for not growing crops or owning grazing terrain). Yes there are some rare crimes that include guns, recently there was one that the robber forgot the gun at the scene yet it was a replica, just to give you an idea that people don't really use real guns lol. The most famous recent robbery of "value trucks" on the inter-state was done with pickaxes and a handgun, known here as the "pickaxe gang robberies". The most famous ATM machine robberies were done with gas-leaking explosions, no guns involved. Yes now and then, specially with drug trafficking, they bust large arsenals of blackmarket guns but gun violence is extremely low, maybe it's because they know the people they deal with don't have guns, who knows.

Point is, mental health can't be the blame for all or even most of the gun violence in USA, and you can't background check for stupidity. Neither mental health or stupidity are requisites for crime and gun violence, study deviance and you'll see it isn't, it's much more often the result of social conditions, which when improved, lower tendency for deviance.

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 06:59:34 AM »
I'm sometimes borderline communist but,

This is where I become shamelessly Texan...

2ND AMMENDMENT IS AS AMERICAN A RIGHT AS FREE SPEECH, RELIGION, ... RIGHT TO INCOME TAXES? REDActed prohibition...no quartering soldierspopular... election of us senators...congress salaries?

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 02:30:10 PM »
I'm sometimes borderline communist but,

This is where I become shamelessly Texan...

2ND AMMENDMENT IS AS AMERICAN A RIGHT AS FREE SPEECH, RELIGION, ... RIGHT TO INCOME TAXES? REDActed prohibition...no quartering soldierspopular... election of us senators...congress salaries?

Strangely, I respect this argument more than most of them.  Jim Jefferies: There's only one valid argument for having a gun:  "Fuck off, I like guns."   ;D

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2015, 05:44:04 PM »
I am guessing some of you haven't been a victim of a robbery, assault, mugging, had your home broken into while home, etc...

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2015, 05:47:17 PM »



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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2015, 06:14:12 PM »
I am guessing some of you haven't been a victim of a robbery, assault, mugging, had your home broken into while home, etc...

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I guess you haven't read my post. Saying there is no crime here is quite stupid.

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2015, 06:34:14 PM »
If you want fewer mass shootings just take guns away from white dudes
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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2015, 06:38:34 PM »
I used to own a gun, it was a .22LR pistol for competitive sports, I sold it a couple of years ago as I came to the conclusion that gun sports isn't my cup of tea.
I'd much rather start a technical history based gun collection with unique and odd and/or generation defining firearms, including fully functional replicas where originals are not avaliable from the 14th Century onwards.

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2015, 06:49:41 PM »
I used to own a gun, it was a .22LR pistol for competitive sports, I sold it a couple of years ago as I came to the conclusion that gun sports isn't my cup of tea.
I'd much rather start a technical history based gun collection with unique and odd and/or generation defining firearms, including fully functional replicas where originals are not avaliable from the 14th Century onwards.

Those old guns are cool, Chiappa makes cool knock-offs. You won't be able to protect your home or against mugging with a percussion rifle :P

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Re: Daily Poll: Gun Nation
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2015, 04:56:35 AM »
I am guessing some of you haven't been a victim of a robbery, assault, mugging, had your home broken into while home, etc...

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I guess you haven't read my post. Saying there is no crime here is quite stupid.

Even though I actually did, my comment didn't single your post out though?  I was including those who voted pro-regulation and against.  In my experience, those who haven't been a victim of a serious crime, are very pro gun legislation.

“Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither,” is my general outlook that I apply when restricting anything.
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