The Charter

[Baltija]

@ Oz: how many people were actually exiled? afaik, you left because you wanted to, noone exiled you.

I'll stop criticising now before TGR accuses me for being critical

[Ryazania]

Lawl @ Paul

[Baltija]

Yeah, balt that would probably be a good idea since you aren't even part of the region... eg. you don't have your nation here

Success! Great Baltija is now located in Taijitu.

Now shut your big mouth.

[Stellaris]

Couldn't we say that we are exiles by choice and by principles? That would look good! Also will former senators in the Lexicon be immediately eligible for citizenship before we all have to wait two weeks? Another thing, can we have a specific section laying down the fact that this region is democratic and operates free speech. The Lexiconian charter actually doesn't and the founders are now exploiting this loop hole for excusing the fact that they lied to us all.

[Gulliver]

Stell, have you taken the time to read the actual Constitution? And not that bit of fluff at the top of this thread; that's just there now. The real one we're working on, here. Most of your questions if not all of them should be answered.

[Baltija]

Ah, just forget what I said... I don't know why I become so picky. :shrugs:

[Of The US]

The Founders/Charter Members, as far as I'm aware are as follows...

Sovereign Dixie
The Crazy Monkeymen
The G Rebellion
Myroria
Eluvatar
PoD Gunner (pending actual activity)
Saint Oz

However, the feel of Founder will not be the same as it was previously. We won't be oppressive and we won't cling to complete control, if another government is elected, then fine. We will accept them.

D: why am i not one? i never get any cool titles

[Sovereign Dixie]

 First off, I would like to congratulate, and thank Pragmia, for doing such a wonderful job in penning our founding document. It is well thought out, and splendidly written!

 I do have a serious grievience though, and that's that this is being drawn out WAY too long. There is no reason this could not have been signed yesterday. It is being overly nit picked, and frankly, I'm losing my patience. It cannot and will not be perfect, so stop trying. Let the Senate worry about fine tuning it, if they want. We need to get the goddamn thing signed though, so that we can *have* a bloody senate to fine tune it! Besides, if it were perfect, our new senate won't have anyting to do.

 Stop the nitpicking, we need to get this signed today, so we can move on towards other things. The 6 of us sign it, putting it into effect, then any other former Lex senators who want to, can sign it as a secondary measure. But lets just get it done already, this is becoming almost parody-like.

[Durnia]

This regions only been in existance for about 3 days SD, I would think you could give them some slack.

[Acle]

I think hes got a point though, the nick picking at the moment wont do any good. I think it would be best to get the senate up and going then the senate can make any changes deemed nessacary.

[The G Rebellion]

I agree with Dixie as well. Don't get me wrong, this is a great charter by Pragmia and yes, inevitably, there will be changes to be made but, we should concentrate on getting it signed, then work on fine-tuning, should there be any necessary.

This needs to be in place soon to get things moving along!

[Gulliver]

Well, I've decided that I shall put ratification procedures into motion later today, so don't worry! I just hope that this isn't a total disaster.

[Of Crazed]

The problem is the potential for multies. We assume that the game UN doesn't have multies, therefore our most efficient way to protect against multies is to require divulging UN information. Sorry OC.

Such UN information can probably be submitted to the MoIA in private though.

This post kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  While I understand the reasoning perfectly.  I disagree, and If I am correct, I have just as much of a vote as anyone else here.  I feel that keeping tabs on UN's to get citizenship is unnecessary, but for anything above that it is.  Im not quite sure how this works, as it is in a really confusing format.  But I will not vote for this charter, unless that is amended, in what I find to be, something that lets every one in, but only people who give their un's can stay for tea.

[Zimmerwald]

It's not as if people who don't have UN nations are excluded from citizenship.  They tell that to the <rank> for Internal Affairs and it's over with.  Nations which don't divulge UN information are, perhaps wrongly, perhaps not, assumed to have something to hide.  Assuming that is a dangerous way of thinking, but trusting everybody is perhaps even more dangerous, and in a choice between two evils, inevitably you pick something evil.  I could have said that much better.

[Bustos]

Oh....*goes to citizenship thread*