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Title: The Charter
Post by: St Oz on January 04, 2007, 01:59:33 AM
We the exiles of the Lexicon, hereby form the Taijitu, as the founders we are all responsible to the unbiased ways unlike our former region. We will create a Utopia of friendship and prosperity. We are all united as one to form the best region we can hope to create, form a union that’s forever, and to look to the future. Taijitu Prosper

Signed by,
Myroria
Saint Oz
Eluvatar
The G Rebellion
Sovereign Dixie
The Crazy Monkeymen
PoD Gunner
Pragmia
Inglo-Scotia

Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Eluvatar on January 04, 2007, 02:01:03 AM
(A formal charter will be made soon)
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: St Oz on January 04, 2007, 02:18:32 AM
Though, this is our historical one :D
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: The G Rebellion on January 04, 2007, 02:40:57 AM
Lol, okay. I can live with this being a founder document, however, I would say - we are not exiles.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Prydania on January 04, 2007, 02:46:05 AM
I'm signing!
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 02:57:10 AM
May I sign? For the sake of history, of course  ;D
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: St Oz on January 04, 2007, 03:03:29 AM
Lol, okay. I can live with this being a founder document, however, I would say - we are not exiles.
I thought it sounded better :D
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 05:01:11 AM
Well, that's about all the writing I can do for now. Here's what I've got so far. As you will note, I've put in a few peculiarities to spark debate, and of course gone lazy and just run with American terminology  ;)

Doubtlessly riddled with silly little mistakes too

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The Constitution of Taijitu

Preamble: We the Undersigned, in the spirit of cooperation and fraternity, with the expressed and deliberate intent to combat tyranny and prejudice and to promote democracy and fair justice, do hereby accept the following as the Supreme Law of Taijitu:

Article I: Citizenship

   
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1. Any nation shall be capable of obtaining citizenship in Taijitu, and shall maintain this citizenship unless they violate   any of the conditions enumerated herein.
      
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i. Citizens shall maintain a nation residing within Taijitu.
      ii. Citizens shall swear by the oath to be provided by the Senate.
      iii. Citizens shall disclose their resident and UN nations.

Article II: The Legislative
   
   
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1. All legislative powers shall hereby be vested in the Senate
      
      
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i. Any nation, having held citizenship for fifteen or more days and having accumulated twenty-five or more posts on the regional forum, may apply for membership.
      ii. All applicants shall submit themselves to a review to be conducted by the current Assembly and not to exceed a week in duration.
      iii. Applicants shall be subject to confirmation by a majority vote of the Senate.
      iv. The Senate shall determine its own internal procedures, excepted where noted otherwise herein.   
      v. The undersigned shall be granted the office of Senator at the time of the ratification of this document.
      vi. Senators shall swear by the oath provided by the Delegate.

   
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2. The Senate shall elect its Speaker every four months in the months of January, May and September.
      
      
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i. The Speaker shall be charged with calling, ending and declaring the results of votes, maintaining the Senate Roster and that the Senate functions properly as enumerated herein.
      ii. Should the Speaker be unable to perform their duties for any reason and the office be left vacant then the Delegate shall begin procedures to elect a new Speaker.
      iii. The Speaker shall swear by the oath provided by the Delegate.

Article III: The Executive
   
   
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1. The Delegate shall be the supreme executive authority of Taijitu.
      
      
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i. The Delegate shall be elected by a simple plurality of votes every third month by the Senate.
      ii. The Delegate shall not be allowed to serve in excess of two consecutive terms.
      iii. Any nation, having held citizenship for nintey or more days, having accumulated three hundred or more posts on the regional forum, in possession of a nation whose population equals or exceeds one billion with which to campaign, and having received the nomination of a member of the Assembly shall be free to run for the office of Delegate, provided that they have not already served two consecutive terms previously.

      iv. The Delegate may hold membership in the Senate, but shall not be permitted to hold the office of Speaker and shall not be permitted to vote except in the event of a tie, wherein they shall cast the deciding vote.
      v. The Delegate shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.

   
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2. Candidates for the office of the Delegate shall when they accept their nomination select a candidate to run as their Vice Delegate
      
      
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i. Candidates for the office of Vice Delegate shall have met all the requirements of the office of the Delegate.
      ii. Should the Delegate be unable to perform their duties and their office be left vacant the Vice Delegate shall assume the duties of the Delegate until a new one has been elected.
      iii. Should the Vice Delegate be unable to perform their duties and their office be left vacant the Delegate shall appoint at their discretion a new Vice Delegate
      iv. Should both the Delegate and the Vice Delegate be unable to perform their duties and both their offices be left vacant then the Speaker shall assume the duties of the Delegate until a new one has been elected.
      v. The Vice Delegate shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
   
   
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3. The Delegates shall appoint at their discretion form a Cabinet to aid them in executing their duties.
      
      
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i. The Delegate shall create and abolish Cabinet positions at their discretion.
      ii. The Delegate shall appoint and dismiss members of the Cabinet at their discretion.
      iii. Members of the Cabinet shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
   
   
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4. The Senate shall have the power to remove from office any member of the executive who in their opinion has violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu or broken their oath by a vote of no confidence.

      
Article IV: The Judiciary

   
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1. The Supreme Court shall consist of a no more than nine justices.
   
      
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i. Justices shall be appointed by the Delegate, but the Delegate shall have no power to remove them.
      ii. Any nation, having held citizenship for ninety or more days and having    
      accumulated 300 or more posts on the forum shall be eligible for appointment to the Supreme Court.
      iii. Justices shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
   
   
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2. The Supreme Court shall have the power to review the actions of the government and to override them by a majority vote of Justices if in their opinion such actions have violated the Constitution or laws of Taijitu.
   
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3. The Supreme Court shall have the power to review, judge and rule on by a majority vote the actions of citizens and to sentence those found guilty.
   
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4. The Delegate shall be bound to execute the verdict of the Supreme Court.
   
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5. The Senate may remove Justices of the Supreme Court from office if in their opinion they have violated their oath of office by a two-thirds majority.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: The G Rebellion on January 04, 2007, 05:29:39 AM
I'll look in depth tomorow but it looks good at a glance! Good job!
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 06:16:50 AM
Ooh, I just realized! I forgot the provision allowing the document to be ammended by a 3/4's vote.

I was also considering a bill of rights of sorts, but hadn't the time to write it.

EDIT: And of course, the part appointing Dixie delegate at the time of ratification.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Amy on January 04, 2007, 08:40:12 AM
I've only glanced over Pragmia's idea....but so far it looks great! ;D
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Sovereign Dixie on January 04, 2007, 09:18:16 AM
 
 I like it, there are a few things we need to work on, i.e. the role of Charter Members (I now utterly hate the word "founders" lol and perhaps a few finer points, but very good job prag, thank you!
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Acle on January 04, 2007, 05:00:26 PM
Who is going to be counted as the founder's Charter Members, it is the people who were kicked out and moved here?
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: The G Rebellion on January 04, 2007, 05:21:06 PM
The Founders/Charter Members, as far as I'm aware are as follows...

Sovereign Dixie
The Crazy Monkeymen
The G Rebellion
Myroria
Eluvatar
PoD Gunner (pending actual activity)
Saint Oz

However, the feel of Founder will not be the same as it was previously. We won't be oppressive and we won't cling to complete control, if another government is elected, then fine. We will accept them.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 06:31:49 PM
Well, I'd think that for the purposes of this document that anyone around to sign it at the time of ratification would become a founder. At the rate we're going, we're going to have quite a few signatures  ;D

But anyway, if you guys aren't gonna edit it or haven't had a chance to I'll go ahead and fix those mistakes of mine I already know and what I missed.

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[align=center]The Constitution of Taijitu[/align]

Preamble: We the Undersigned, in the spirit of cooperation and fraternity, with the expressed and deliberate intent to combat tyranny and prejudice and to promote democracy and fair justice, do hereby accept the following as the Supreme Law of Taijitu:

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Article I: Citizenship
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1. Any nation shall be capable of obtaining citizenship in Taijitu, and shall maintain this citizenship unless they violate   any of the conditions enumerated herein.
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i. Citizens shall maintain a nation residing within Taijitu.
ii. Citizens shall swear by the oath to be provided by the Senate.
iii. Citizens shall disclose their resident and UN nations.

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Article II: The Legislative
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1. All legislative powers shall hereby be vested in the Senate
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i. Any nation, having held citizenship for fifteen or more days and having accumulated twenty-five or more posts on the regional forum, may apply for Senate membership.
      ii. All applicants shall submit themselves to a review to be conducted by the current Senate and not to exceed a week in duration.
      iii. Applicants shall be subject to confirmation by a majority vote of the Senate.
      iv. The Senate shall determine its own internal procedures, excepted where noted otherwise herein.   
      v. The undersigned shall be granted the office of Senator at the time of the ratification of this document.
      vi. Senators shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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2. The Senate shall elect its Speaker every fourth months in the months of January, May and September.
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i. The Speaker shall be charged with calling, ending and declaring the results of votes, maintaining the Senate Roster and that the Senate functions properly as enumerated herein.
ii. Should the Speaker be unable to perform their duties for any reason or their office be left vacant then the Delegate shall begin procedures to elect a new Speaker.
iii. The Speaker shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
iv. The Senate shall have the power to remove from office the Speaker if they in the opinion of the Senate have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu or broken their oath by a vote of no confidence.
v. Eluvatar shall be appointed to the office of the Speaker at the time of the ratification of this document.
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Article III: The Executive
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1. The Delegate shall be the supreme executive authority of Taijitu.
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i. The Delegate shall be elected by a simple plurality of votes every third month by the Senate.
ii. The Delegate shall not be allowed to serve in excess of two consecutive terms.
iii. Any nation, having held citizenship for nintey or more days, having accumulated three hundred or more posts on the regional forum, in possession of a nation whose population equals or exceeds one billion with which to campaign, and having received the nomination of a member of the Assembly shall be free to run for the office of Delegate, provided that they have not already served two consecutive terms previously.
iv. The Delegate may hold membership in the Senate, but shall not be permitted to hold the office of Speaker and shall not be permitted to vote except in the event of a tie, wherein they shall cast the deciding vote.
v. The Delegate shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
vi. Sovereign Dixie shall be appointed to the office of the Delegate at the time of the ratification of this document.
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2. Candidates for the office of the Delegate shall when they accept their nomination select a candidate to run as their Vice Delegate
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i. Candidates for the office of Vice Delegate shall have met all the requirements of the office of the Delegate.
ii. Should the Delegate be unable to perform their duties or their office be left vacant the Vice Delegate shall assume the duties of the Delegate until a new one has been elected.
iii. Should the Vice Delegate be unable to perform their duties or their office be left vacant the Delegate shall appoint at their discretion a new Vice Delegate
iv. Should both the Delegate and the Vice Delegate be unable to perform their duties or both their offices be left vacant then the Speaker shall assume the duties of the Delegate until a new one has been elected.
v. The Vice Delegate shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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3. The Delegates shall appoint at their discretion form a Cabinet to aid them in executing their duties.
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i. The Delegate shall create and abolish Cabinet positions at their discretion.
ii. The Delegate shall appoint and dismiss members of the Cabinet at their discretion.
iii. Members of the Cabinet shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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4. The Senate shall have the power to remove from office any member of the executive who in their opinion has violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu or broken their oath by a vote of no confidence.

     
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Article IV: The Judiciary
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1. The Supreme Court shall consist of a no more than nine justices.
   
     
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i. Justices shall be appointed by the Delegate, but the Delegate shall have no power to remove them.
ii. Any nation, having held citizenship for ninety or more days and having   
      accumulated 300 or more posts on the forum shall be eligible for appointment to the Supreme Court.
 iii. Justices shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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Should a Justice be unable to perform their duties or their office be left vacant the Delegate shall appoint a new Justice to the office.
   
   
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Quote2. The Supreme Court shall have the power to review the actions of the government and to override them by a majority vote of Justices if in their opinion such actions have violated the Constitution or laws of Taijitu.
   
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3. The Supreme Court shall have the power to review, judge and rule on by a majority vote the actions of citizens and to sentence those found guilty.
   
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4. The Delegate shall be bound to execute the verdicts of the Supreme Court.
   
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5. The Senate may remove Justices of the Supreme Court from office if in their opinion they have violated their oath of office by a two-thirds majority.

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Article V: The Rights of the Citizen
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1. The right of any citizen to speak freely shall not be abridged except where it violates the laws of real life.
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2. Citizens shall have the right to seek redress from the Supreme Court if in their opinion executive authority has been unduly exercised against them.
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i. Citizens shall be informed of their right to seek redress in the event that executive authority is exercised against them.
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ii. Citizenship may not be revoked without the due process of law.
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3. The undersigned shall recieve no special privileges or immunities under the laws and Constitution of Taijitu.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Amy on January 04, 2007, 06:35:24 PM
Loosk great!
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Zimmerwald on January 04, 2007, 07:45:01 PM
lovely.  I'd like to have something in there about State and Social Property, but I suppose it really wouldn't have any place there. ;)

Is it too late to sign?
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 08:02:55 PM
No no, of course not. In fact, I wouldn't consider this particular document signed in any which way.

Before we do anything rash now I'd like a few more to look this all over. Namely, Sovereign Dixie and Eluvatar, and anyone else who has idea to offer, improvements, various nitpicking.

Come to think of it, I should probably state that when Dixie takes office he's only in until normal elections begin again Jan 20. Else he'd be there for three months before we get to vote on it, giving him a near five month term in essence  :P

Actually, I also forgot the most important part...again!

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Article VI: Amendments
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The shall be able to amend this document by a three-quarters majority vote.

And of course, there's those little but all important details of what terminology we would like to use for our government institutions.

EDIT: Bleh! And of course, we all ought to be given citizenship, we meaning the undersigned of course.

See why we don't rush things like this  :P
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 09:24:10 PM
The Constitution of Taijitu

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We the Undersigned, in the spirit of cooperation and fraternity, with the expressed and deliberate intent to combat tyranny and prejudice, and to promote democracy and fair justice, do hereby accept the tenets enumerated herein as the Supreme Law of Taijitu:

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Article I: Citizenship
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1. Any nation shall be capable of obtaining citizenship in Taijitu, and shall maintain this citizenship unless they violate   any of the conditions enumerated herein.
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i. Citizens shall maintain a resident nation residing within Taijitu.
ii. Citizens shall swear by the oath of citizenship provided by the Senate.
iii. Citizens shall disclose their resident and UN nations.
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2. The undersigned shall be granted citizenship at the time of the ratification of this document, excepting those who choose to forgo it.

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Article II: The Legislative
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1. All legislative powers shall hereby be vested in the Senate
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i. Any nation, having held citizenship for fifteen or more days and having accumulated twenty-five or more posts on the regional forum, may apply for Senate membership.
      ii. All applicants shall submit themselves to a review to be conducted by the current Senate and not to exceed a week in duration.
      iii. Applicants shall be subject to confirmation by a majority vote of the Senate.
      iv. The Senate shall determine its own internal procedures, except where noted otherwise herein.   
      v. The undersigned shall be granted the office of Senator at the time of the ratification of this document, excepting those who choose to forgo it.
      vi. Senators shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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2. The Senate shall elect one of its own to the office of Speaker of the Senate every fourth month.
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i. The Speaker shall be charged with calling, ending and declaring the results of votes, maintaining the Senate Roster and ensuring that the Senate functions properly as enumerated herein.
ii. Should the Speaker be unable to perform their duties for any reason or their office be left vacant then the Delegate shall begin procedures to elect a new Speaker.
iii. The Speaker shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
iv. The Senate shall have the power to remove from office the Speaker if they in the opinion of the Senate have violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu or broken their oath by a vote of no confidence.
v. Eluvatar shall be appointed to the office of the Speaker at the time of the ratification of this document.
vi. Elections for the Speaker shall be held on the first ____ following the ratification of this document.
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Article III: The Executive
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1. The Delegate shall be the supreme executive authority of Taijitu.
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i. The Delegate shall be elected by a plurality of votes every third month by the Senate.
ii. The Delegate shall not be allowed to serve in excess of two consecutive terms.
iii. Any nation, having held citizenship for nintey or more days, having accumulated three hundred or more posts on the regional forum, in possession of a nation whose population equals or exceeds one billion with which to campaign, and having received the nomination of a member of the Senate shall be free to run for the office of Delegate, provided that they have not already served two consecutive terms previously or hold the office of Speaker.
iv. The Delegate may hold membership in the Senate, but shall not be permitted to hold the office of Speaker and shall not be permitted to vote except in the event of a tie, wherein they shall cast the deciding vote.
v. The Delegate shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
vi. Sovereign Dixie shall be appointed to the office of the Delegate at the time of the ratification of this document.
vii. Procedures for the election of the delegate shall be initiated on the first twentieth of January following the ratification of this document.

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2. Candidates for the office of the Delegate shall when they accept their nomination select a candidate to run as their Vice Delegate
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i. Candidates for the office of Vice Delegate shall have met all the requirements and of the office of the Delegate.
ii. Should the Delegate be unable to perform their duties or their office be left vacant the Vice Delegate shall assume the duties of the Delegate until a new one has been elected.
iii. Should the Vice Delegate be unable to perform their duties or their office be left vacant the Delegate shall appoint at their discretion a new Vice Delegate
iv. Should both the Delegate and the Vice Delegate be unable to perform their duties or both their offices be left vacant then the Speaker shall assume the duties of the Delegate until a new one has been elected.
v. The Vice Delegate shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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3. The Delegates shall at their discretion form a Cabinet to aid them in executing their duties.
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i. The Delegate shall have the power to create and abolish Cabinet positions at their discretion.
ii. The Delegate shall have the power to appoint and dismiss members of the Cabinet at their discretion.
iii. Members of the Cabinet shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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4. The Senate shall have the power to remove from office any member of the executive who in their opinion has violated the Constitution and laws of Taijitu or broken their oath by a vote of no confidence.

     
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Article IV: The Judiciary
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1. The Supreme Court shall consist of a no more than nine justices.
   
     
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i. Justices shall be appointed by the Delegate, but the Delegate shall have no power to remove them.
ii. Any nation, having held citizenship for ninety or more days and having   
      accumulated 300 or more posts on the forum shall be eligible for appointment to the Supreme Court.
 iii. Justices shall swear by the oath provided by the Senate.
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Should a Justice be unable to perform their duties or their office be left vacant the Delegate shall appoint a new Justice to the office.
   
   
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2. The Supreme Court shall have the power to review the actions of the government and to override them by a majority vote of Justices if in their opinion such actions have violated the Constitution or laws of Taijitu.
   
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3. The Supreme Court shall have the power to review, judge and rule on by a majority vote the actions of citizens and to sentence those found guilty at the request of the executive or citizen of Taijitu.
   
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4. The verdicts of the Supreme Court shall be final and binding, and the Delegate shall be bound to execute the verdicts of the Supreme Court.
   
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5. The Senate may remove Justices of the Supreme Court from office if in their opinion they have violated their oath of office by a two-thirds majority.

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Article V: The Rights of the Citizen
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1. The right of any citizen to speak freely shall not be abridged except where it violates the supreme laws of the external world.
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2. Citizens shall have the right to seek redress from the Supreme Court if in their opinion executive authority has been unduly exercised against them.
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i. Citizens shall be informed of their right to seek redress in the event that executive authority is exercised against them.
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ii. Citizenship may not be revoked without the due process of law.
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3. The undersigned shall recieve no special privileges or immunities under the laws and Constitution of Taijitu.

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Article VI: Amendments
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1. The Senate shall have the power to amend this document by a three-quarters majority.

Hate to double post, but I can't stop myself. A bit of editing and tweaking, and I've got myself to Mk III here I believe. Now, one will note I've left the date for the election of the Speaker open; I'm openign Elu will be kind enough to help me there. Other than that, this is about all I can come up with. If there's anything you wish to contribute, do so and I can work it in.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Ryazania on January 04, 2007, 09:45:05 PM
/signed
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 09:51:30 PM
Woah, hang on their! Don't just go about signing willy nilly! This is certainly not ready for anysuch signing, close as it may potentially be  ;)
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Ryazania on January 04, 2007, 09:55:59 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Eluvatar on January 04, 2007, 10:58:41 PM
I like that last clause.

However, the masses of quote tags are really scaring me...  :-X
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 04, 2007, 11:07:58 PM
Heh, me too. Formatting though comes last.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Baltija on January 05, 2007, 01:39:40 AM
*Baltija's eyes bleeds*

Is where a shorter version of it?
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Eluvatar on January 05, 2007, 03:40:55 AM
lol, dont' worry I'll get to work trimming it.

Okay worry. <_<
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Stellaris on January 05, 2007, 05:33:35 PM
Where's recruiting on this board, or can I not see until I sign up to the charter?
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 06, 2007, 01:43:55 AM
Well, a far more pretty and well formatted, and far more complete version of the Constitution of Taijitu is now available here (http://wiki.taijitu.org/index.php?title=The_Constitution_of_Taijitu). Now, despite the signature section, and tempting as it may be...

DO NOT SIGN THIS YET!

Thank you for your cooperation in advance.

EDIT: NO VANDALIZING EITHER!
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Of Crazed on January 06, 2007, 02:29:48 PM
I think the requirements to become a citizen, where you have to disclose UN information is unnecessary, and really only necessary if one plans to join the army or any form of intelligence.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Eluvatar on January 06, 2007, 06:05:26 PM
The problem is the potential for multies. We assume that the game UN doesn't have multies, therefore our most efficient way to protect against multies is to require divulging UN information. Sorry OC.

Such UN information can probably be submitted to the MoIA in private though.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Baltija on January 06, 2007, 07:48:34 PM
@ Oz: how many people were actually exiled? afaik, you left because you wanted to, noone exiled you. :P

I'll stop criticising now before TGR accuses me for being critical :-X
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Ryazania on January 06, 2007, 08:51:07 PM
Lawl @ Paul
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Baltija on January 06, 2007, 09:01:42 PM
Yeah, balt that would probably be a good idea since you aren't even part of the region... eg. you don't have your nation here

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Success! Great Baltija is now located in Taijitu.

Now shut your big mouth.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Stellaris on January 06, 2007, 10:16:52 PM
Couldn't we say that we are exiles by choice and by principles? That would look good! Also will former senators in the Lexicon be immediately eligible for citizenship before we all have to wait two weeks? Another thing, can we have a specific section laying down the fact that this region is democratic and operates free speech. The Lexiconian charter actually doesn't and the founders are now exploiting this loop hole for excusing the fact that they lied to us all.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 06, 2007, 10:24:25 PM
Stell, have you taken the time to read the actual Constitution? And not that bit of fluff at the top of this thread; that's just there now. The real one we're working on, here (http://wiki.taijitu.org/index.php?title=The_Constitution_of_Taijitu). Most of your questions if not all of them should be answered.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Baltija on January 06, 2007, 10:29:35 PM
Ah, just forget what I said... I don't know why I become so picky. :shrugs:
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Of The US on January 07, 2007, 06:38:59 AM
The Founders/Charter Members, as far as I'm aware are as follows...

Sovereign Dixie
The Crazy Monkeymen
The G Rebellion
Myroria
Eluvatar
PoD Gunner (pending actual activity)
Saint Oz

However, the feel of Founder will not be the same as it was previously. We won't be oppressive and we won't cling to complete control, if another government is elected, then fine. We will accept them.

D: why am i not one? i never get any cool titles :(
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Sovereign Dixie on January 07, 2007, 11:16:12 AM

 First off, I would like to congratulate, and thank Pragmia, for doing such a wonderful job in penning our founding document. It is well thought out, and splendidly written!

 I do have a serious grievience though, and that's that this is being drawn out WAY too long. There is no reason this could not have been signed yesterday. It is being overly nit picked, and frankly, I'm losing my patience. It cannot and will not be perfect, so stop trying. Let the Senate worry about fine tuning it, if they want. We need to get the goddamn thing signed though, so that we can *have* a bloody senate to fine tune it! Besides, if it were perfect, our new senate won't have anyting to do.

 Stop the nitpicking, we need to get this signed today, so we can move on towards other things. The 6 of us sign it, putting it into effect, then any other former Lex senators who want to, can sign it as a secondary measure. But lets just get it done already, this is becoming almost parody-like.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Durnia on January 07, 2007, 02:02:40 PM
This regions only been in existance for about 3 days SD, I would think you could give them some slack.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Acle on January 07, 2007, 02:09:18 PM
I think hes got a point though, the nick picking at the moment wont do any good. I think it would be best to get the senate up and going then the senate can make any changes deemed nessacary.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: The G Rebellion on January 07, 2007, 02:31:14 PM
I agree with Dixie as well. Don't get me wrong, this is a great charter by Pragmia and yes, inevitably, there will be changes to be made but, we should concentrate on getting it signed, then work on fine-tuning, should there be any necessary.

This needs to be in place soon to get things moving along!
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Gulliver on January 07, 2007, 03:15:12 PM
Well, I've decided that I shall put ratification procedures into motion later today, so don't worry! I just hope that this isn't a total disaster.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Of Crazed on January 09, 2007, 01:55:29 AM
The problem is the potential for multies. We assume that the game UN doesn't have multies, therefore our most efficient way to protect against multies is to require divulging UN information. Sorry OC.

Such UN information can probably be submitted to the MoIA in private though.

This post kind of rubbed me the wrong way.  While I understand the reasoning perfectly.  I disagree, and If I am correct, I have just as much of a vote as anyone else here.  I feel that keeping tabs on UN's to get citizenship is unnecessary, but for anything above that it is.  Im not quite sure how this works, as it is in a really confusing format.  But I will not vote for this charter, unless that is amended, in what I find to be, something that lets every one in, but only people who give their un's can stay for tea.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Zimmerwald on January 09, 2007, 03:36:44 AM
It's not as if people who don't have UN nations are excluded from citizenship.  They tell that to the <rank> for Internal Affairs and it's over with.  Nations which don't divulge UN information are, perhaps wrongly, perhaps not, assumed to have something to hide.  Assuming that is a dangerous way of thinking, but trusting everybody is perhaps even more dangerous, and in a choice between two evils, inevitably you pick something evil.  I could have said that much better.
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: Bustos on January 09, 2007, 05:59:29 AM
Oh....*goes to citizenship thread*
Title: Re: The Charter
Post by: PoD Gunner on January 09, 2007, 06:37:19 PM
Stop the pending, as I'm active as an electric eel!!! (I understand not all of them are)  :P