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Offline Gulliver

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2014, 09:32:14 PM »
It's been less than a day, I don't think there's any rush to get to a vote yet. Some people had also mentioned a community-building role for the delegate, which I'm not sure is covered by the current language of article 2.

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2014, 12:07:52 AM »
With all the discussion, I forgot this was so recently posted.   O:-)
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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2014, 02:24:29 AM »
There seems to be consensus so far that the Delegate should conduct foreign policy and should be able to appoint a number of citizen-diplomats to help them do so, so I'd like to introduce an updated version which instead of a general Cabinet only provides for the appointment of citizen-diplomats to help with foreign policy.

Quote from: Delegacy Act
1. Qualifications and Election
1. Any citizen of Taijitu may stand for election to the office of Citizen-Delegate.
2. An election for Citizen-Delegate will be held if three months have passed since the start of the previous election, the Ecclesia chooses to hold an election by a majority vote, or the office of Citizen-Delegate is vacant.
3. No person may serve as Citizen-Delegate for more than two consecutive terms.
4. The Ecclesia may remove the Citizen-Delegate by a majority vote.

2. Powers and Responsibilities
1. The Citizen-Delegate will serve as head of state and conduct foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate will hold the in-game delegacy of the region of Taijitu with full powers and will exercise them as provided by law.

3. Citizen-Diplomats
1. The Citizen-Delegate may appoint any number of citizens of Taijitu as citizen-diplomats to assist them in conducting foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate may dismiss citizen-diplomats at any time.
3. The Ecclesia may remove any citizen-diplomat by a majority vote.

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2014, 02:56:49 AM »
There seems to be consensus so far that the Delegate should conduct foreign policy and should be able to appoint a number of citizen-diplomats to help them do so, so I'd like to introduce an updated version which instead of a general Cabinet only provides for the appointment of citizen-diplomats to help with foreign policy.

Quote from: Delegacy Act
1. Qualifications and Election
1. Any citizen of Taijitu may stand for election to the office of Citizen-Delegate.
2. An election for Citizen-Delegate will be held if three months have passed since the start of the previous election, the Ecclesia chooses to hold an election by a majority vote, or the office of Citizen-Delegate is vacant.
3. No person may serve as Citizen-Delegate for more than two consecutive terms.
4. The Ecclesia may remove the Citizen-Delegate by a majority vote.

2. Powers and Responsibilities
1. The Citizen-Delegate will serve as head of state and conduct foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate will hold the in-game delegacy of the region of Taijitu with full powers and will exercise them as provided by law.

3. Citizen-Diplomats
1. The Citizen-Delegate may appoint any number of citizens of Taijitu as citizen-diplomats to assist them in conducting foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate may dismiss citizen-diplomats at any time.
3. The Ecclesia may remove any citizen-diplomat by a majority vote.

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2014, 05:08:23 AM »
There seems to be consensus so far that the Delegate should conduct foreign policy and should be able to appoint a number of citizen-diplomats to help them do so, so I'd like to introduce an updated version which instead of a general Cabinet only provides for the appointment of citizen-diplomats to help with foreign policy.

Quote from: Delegacy Act
1. Qualifications and Election
1. Any citizen of Taijitu may stand for election to the office of Citizen-Delegate.
2. An election for Citizen-Delegate will be held if three months have passed since the start of the previous election, the Ecclesia chooses to hold an election by a majority vote, or the office of Citizen-Delegate is vacant.
3. No person may serve as Citizen-Delegate for more than two consecutive terms.
4. The Ecclesia may remove the Citizen-Delegate by a majority vote.

2. Powers and Responsibilities
1. The Citizen-Delegate will serve as head of state and conduct foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate will hold the in-game delegacy of the region of Taijitu with full powers and will exercise them as provided by law.

3. Citizen-Diplomats
1. The Citizen-Delegate may appoint any number of citizens of Taijitu as citizen-diplomats to assist them in conducting foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate may dismiss citizen-diplomats at any time.
3. The Ecclesia may remove any citizen-diplomat by a majority vote.

I like this. We can examine creating some kind of Community department in a separate discussion.
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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2014, 05:21:06 AM »
There seems to be consensus so far that the Delegate should conduct foreign policy and should be able to appoint a number of citizen-diplomats to help them do so, so I'd like to introduce an updated version which instead of a general Cabinet only provides for the appointment of citizen-diplomats to help with foreign policy.

Quote from: Delegacy Act
1. Qualifications and Election
1. Any citizen of Taijitu may stand for election to the office of Citizen-Delegate.
2. An election for Citizen-Delegate will be held if three months have passed since the start of the previous election, the Ecclesia chooses to hold an election by a majority vote, or the office of Citizen-Delegate is vacant.
3. No person may serve as Citizen-Delegate for more than two consecutive terms.
4. The Ecclesia may remove the Citizen-Delegate by a majority vote.

2. Powers and Responsibilities
1. The Citizen-Delegate will serve as head of state and conduct foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate will hold the in-game delegacy of the region of Taijitu with full powers and will exercise them as provided by law.

3. Citizen-Diplomats
1. The Citizen-Delegate may appoint any number of citizens of Taijitu as citizen-diplomats to assist them in conducting foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate may dismiss citizen-diplomats at any time.
3. The Ecclesia may remove any citizen-diplomat by a majority vote.

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2014, 05:28:33 AM »
Due to an unclosed quote tag in Gulliver's post all of our replies were messed up. I went through and fixed it for every reply, but please feel free to edit your post further if I got it wrong.

I move for a vote.
                                 
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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2014, 06:23:41 AM »
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1. Qualifications and Election
1. Any person who is a citizen of Taijitu may stand for election to the office of Citizen-Delegate.
2. An election for Citizen-Delegate will be held if three months have passed since the start of the previous election, the Ecclesia chooses to hold an election by a majority vote, or the office of Citizen-Delegate of is vacant.
3. No person may serve as Citizen-Delegate for more than two consecutive terms.
4. The Ecclesia may remove the Citizen-Delegate by a majority vote.

2. Powers and Responsibilities
1. The Citizen-Delegate will serve as head of state and conduct foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate will hold the in-game delegacy of the region of Taijitu with full powers and will exercise them as provided by law.

In the interests of making progress, based on discussion thus far, I propose a motion to put the above to a vote for approval and addition to our by laws.

In the mean time, to keep open the discussion regarding:

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3. The Prytaneion
1. The Citizen-Delegate may appoint a Prytaneion of deputies to assist them in their duties.
2. All deputies of the Prytaneion will be citizens of Taijitu.
3. The Ecclesia may remove a member of the Prytaneion by a majority vote.

It's been less than a day, I don't think there's any rush to get to a vote yet. Some people had also mentioned a community-building role for the delegate, which I'm not sure is covered by the current language of article 2.

With all the discussion, I forgot this was so recently posted.   O:-)
Due to an unclosed quote tag in Gulliver's post all of our replies were messed up. I went through and fixed it for every reply, but please feel free to edit your post further if I got it wrong.

I move for a vote.


Yeah I already tried that.    :shrug:
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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2014, 07:20:29 AM »
Sorry, I should clarify I didn't mean an immediate vote. I've gotten used, perhaps, to the practice in TNP's Regional Assembly of having a period of 'formal debate' of a few days following a motion to vote.
                                 
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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2014, 08:42:22 AM »
Well in that case, I second your motion.
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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2014, 06:09:25 PM »
I'll move this to a vote if no one objects or points out some terrible mistake within a day.

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2014, 06:15:48 PM »
I move to hold the vote until monday night to allow people who haven't seen this yet the chance to do so.

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2014, 06:22:00 PM »
I have no problems with this

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2014, 06:27:40 PM »
Quote from: Delegacy Act
1. Qualifications and Election
1. Any citizen of Taijitu may stand for election to the office of Citizen-Delegate.
2. An election for Citizen-Delegate will be held if three months have passed since the start of the previous election, the Ecclesia chooses to hold an election by a majority vote, or the office of Citizen-Delegate is vacant.
3. No person may serve as Citizen-Delegate for more than two consecutive terms.
4. The Ecclesia may remove the Citizen-Delegate by a majority vote.

2. Powers and Responsibilities
1. The Citizen-Delegate will serve as head of state and conduct foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate will hold the in-game delegacy of the region of Taijitu with full powers and will exercise them as provided by law.

3. Citizen-Diplomats
1. The Citizen-Delegate may appoint any number of citizens of Taijitu as citizen-diplomats to assist them in conducting foreign policy.
2. The Citizen-Delegate may dismiss citizen-diplomats at any time.
3. The Ecclesia may remove any citizen-diplomat by a majority vote.

Thanks for holding the vote until Monday (today)!

This is fantastic: a great discussion appears to have been had and the end result is an act I can definitely get behind. The one power I truly wished for was appointing/dismissing multiple diplomats at will. Otherwise, the responsibilities of the Citizen-Delegate seem quite well stated.

As far as a cabinet of advisors is concerned, I don't see the need to formalize it. If paranoid people want to see a shadowy cabal, they will. Mostly when I have a question I openly ask in #taijitu, anyway.

Future Citizen-Delegates may feel differently, of course, so I wouldn't oppose an official cabinet. I just won't push for one.

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Re: Office of the Citizen-Delegate
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2014, 07:12:55 PM »
This has been moved to a vote.