Party Congress Logs

[Eluvatar]

The first and second Congresses are attached.

[Eluvatar]

The third Congress.

[Gulliver]

I don't know what Congress number this was, but, here it goes.

(5:29:35 PM) Gulliver: HEY
(5:29:40 PM) Gulliver: Eluvatar is technically in the room
(5:29:44 PM) Dyr: you look familiar
(5:29:45 PM) Gulliver: We have quorum I beliee >_>
(5:29:52 PM) Myroria: beliee
(5:30:06 PM) Myroria: I still want to wait for more people
(5:30:08 PM) Myroria: like wast and towlie
(5:30:16 PM) Myroria: and I don't think Elu is really here
(5:30:20 PM) Dyr: and friartuck
(5:30:20 PM) Gulliver: SHHH
(5:30:29 PM) Dyr: bots are people too
(5:30:36 PM) Gulliver: Well we have 6 people so 4 is an absolute majority
(5:33:48 PM) Gulliver: I am going to go prod the congresses section
(5:35:26 PM) Gulliver: "If a majority of the Party's membership is on #prop, they may convoke an immediate Party Congress by a majority vote."
(5:36:42 PM) Dyr: the majority of the people present, or a majority of the party?
(5:36:52 PM) Dyr: because Elu probably isnt going to vote
(5:37:21 PM) Gulliver: Majority of the people present
(5:37:46 PM) Gulliver: Since they're the only ones mentioned as the subject of that sentence
(5:37:52 PM) Gulliver: Majority of everyone would be an absolute majority
(5:37:58 PM) Gulliver: Anyway that's my proposal, it's not in affect
(5:38:14 PM) Gulliver: Eluvatar wants to require 72 hours notice for proposals that alter the charter
(5:38:18 PM) Gulliver: How do people feel about this?
(5:40:24 PM) Dyr: if the party gets bigger, I can see why we have the current rules..but right now they're just irritating
(5:40:42 PM) Gulliver: Well I'd like to have 72 hours be an option but
(5:40:57 PM) Gulliver: If we get THAT big I'd suggest then we form a standing committee
(5:41:02 PM) Gulliver: Which can draft proposals for a general party vote
(5:41:12 PM) Gulliver: And is essentially our minilegislature
(5:42:49 PM) Gulliver: "If a majority of party members are in #prop, they may convoke an immediate Party Congress by a majority vote. Else, any member may convoke a Party Congress with at least 72 hours warning."
(5:45:06 PM) Myroria: I like that.
(5:45:40 PM) Dyr: yes
(5:45:55 PM) Dyr: but now we have to wait 72 hours
(5:46:39 PM) Gulliver: NO
(5:46:46 PM) Gulliver: This is the same congress as the one convoked for new years
(5:46:49 PM) Gulliver: It was never ended
(5:47:18 PM) Myroria: ^^
(5:47:25 PM) Dyr: ah
(5:47:58 PM) Dyr: then it passes?
(5:48:15 PM) Dyr: and we dont have to deal with the time restriction anymore?
(5:48:17 PM) Myroria: motion to pass Gulliver's resolution
(5:48:22 PM) Gulliver: It has to pass with an absolute majority
(5:48:24 PM) Gulliver: Which is 4
(5:48:28 PM) Gulliver: We need one more person >__>
(5:48:47 PM) Gulliver: And Eluvatar will want to require 72 hours for charter amendments
(5:49:02 PM) Gulliver: And I might want to touch up the rest of the seciton while we're at it BUT OF COURSE
(5:49:08 PM) Gulliver: If we pass this then we can do that whenever
(5:49:19 PM) Gulliver: So yeah I'd be for passing this as soon as possible <_<
(5:49:49 PM) Myroria: what's worse than finding a worm in your apple
(5:50:19 PM) Gulliver: A worm in your penis
(5:50:23 PM) Myroria: The holocaust
(5:50:31 PM) wast [~wast@ip72-211-237-185.oc.oc.cox.net] entered the room.
(5:50:33 PM) Gulliver: GOOD
(5:50:34 PM) Gulliver: There we go
(5:50:35 PM) wast: O
(5:50:36 PM) Myroria: WAST
(5:50:36 PM) wast: M
(5:50:36 PM) wast: F
(5:50:38 PM) wast: G
(5:50:43 PM) Myroria: "If a majority of party members are in #prop, they may convoke an immediate Party Congress by a majority vote. Else, any member may convoke a Party Congress with at least 72 hours warning."
(5:50:47 PM) Myroria: motion to pass this resolution
(5:50:52 PM) Gulliver: Wait it needs to be more specific
(5:50:56 PM) Myroria: GODDAMMIT
(5:51:01 PM) Myroria: WAST DOESN'T HAVE ALL DAY
(5:51:05 PM) Gulliver: Motion to amend Article 3, Clause 1 of the Charter to read
(5:51:08 PM) Gulliver: What Myroria quoted
(5:51:09 PM) Gulliver: THERE
(5:51:17 PM) Myroria: SECONDED
(5:51:19 PM) Gulliver: AYE
(5:51:20 PM) wast: AYE
(5:51:21 PM) Myroria: AYE
(5:51:26 PM) Myroria: Dyer
(5:51:27 PM) Myroria: Dyr
(5:51:28 PM) Myroria: DYR
(5:51:51 PM) Gulliver: DYR
(5:52:13 PM) wast: DYR'
(5:52:27 PM) wast: <Dyr> AYE
(5:52:50 PM) wast is now known as ArchdukeWastOfTheMoles
(5:53:07 PM) Myroria: IS TAIJITU'S MINECRAFT SERVER EVER GOING TO BE BACK UP
(5:53:25 PM) Myroria: I WENT ON YESTERDAY
(5:53:27 PM) Myroria: AND IT WAS DOWN
(5:53:30 PM) Myroria: AND THEN I WENT ON TODAY
(5:53:32 PM) Myroria: AND IT WAS STILL DOWN
(5:53:52 PM) Myroria: THAT'S LIKE 12 HOURS WHERE I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO A SERVER I WASN'T PLAYING ON FOR WEEKS
(5:53:58 PM) Gulliver: TOWLIE'S MOVING
(5:54:26 PM) Myroria: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet#Precursors
(5:55:37 PM) Gulliver:
(5:55:46 PM) Gulliver: Wast, I finished Let's Play Spy Fiction.
(5:55:55 PM) Gulliver: It's plot was very deep and satisfying.
(5:55:57 PM) Dyr: O yeah, I said yes sorry
(5:56:25 PM) Myroria: MOTION CARRIES
(5:57:49 PM) Gulliver: YAY
(5:57:59 PM) Gulliver: Motion to adjourn this congress
(5:58:23 PM) Myroria: second
(5:58:24 PM) Myroria: aye
(5:58:46 PM) Gulliver: Aye
(6:00:24 PM) Gulliver: WAST
(6:00:33 PM) Gulliver: ARCHDUKEWASTOFTHEMOLES
(6:00:34 PM) Gulliver: DYR
(6:00:55 PM) ArchdukeWastOfTheMoles: AFK
(6:00:58 PM) ArchdukeWastOfTheMoles: AYE
(6:02:01 PM) Gulliver:
(6:02:26 PM) Dyr: yes
(6:02:43 PM) Gulliver: Kay
(6:02:44 PM) Gulliver: Congress over

[Eluvatar]

Today we held the Nth ProP congress to end all ProP congresses. The congress voted 5:0 to adopt an amendment to the Party Charter.

[20:47:29] * Now talking on #prop
[20:47:35] * You've invited Gulliver to #prop (portlane.esper.net)
[20:47:37] * You've invited Vivec to #prop (portlane.esper.net)
[20:47:38] * Gulliver has joined #prop
[20:47:39] * You've invited Dyr to #prop (portlane.esper.net)
[20:47:47] <Gulliver> I haven't drafted it yet D:
[20:47:49] <Gulliver> No time like the present
[20:49:55] <Gulliver> http://wiki.taijitu.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_Charter#Article_3:_Party_Congresses for reference
[20:51:09] * Dyr has joined #prop
[20:51:49] <Gulliver> Hello Dyr
[20:51:51] <Gulliver> http://wiki.taijitu.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_Charter#Article_3:_Party_Congresses for reference
[20:52:16] * MyroPhone has joined #prop
[20:53:09] <Dyr> someone register the channel
[20:54:03] -ChanServ- #prop is now registered to Eluvatar.
[20:54:04] <@Eluvatar> done
[20:54:08] * Eluvatar gives channel operator status to Gulliver Dyr MyroPhone
[20:54:15] <@Eluvatar> waiting for Vivec or are we all set already?
[20:54:50] <@Gulliver> We have enough
[20:54:52] <@Gulliver> We only need 4
[20:54:58] <@Gulliver> Because current membership is 7
[20:55:11] <@Eluvatar> ok
[20:55:23] <@Gulliver> I hereby move we convene a congress on the settings for holding congresses
[20:55:40] <@Eluvatar> I second that motion
[20:55:47] <@Gulliver> Aye
[20:55:50] <@Eluvatar> Aye
[20:55:51] <@Dyr> Aye
[20:56:04] <@Eluvatar> motion carries, Nth party congress opened
[20:56:18] <@Gulliver> I think we need to replace hte curren clause with something like
[20:56:23] <@Gulliver> "Any member may convoke a Party Congress by posting a thread on the Party boards."
[20:56:39] <@Gulliver> http://wiki.taijitu.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_Charter#Article_3:_Party_Congresses is the current language
[20:57:28] <@Gulliver> Actually I guess it's more the second clause that's a problem
[20:57:38] <@Gulliver> "Party Congresses must be held in the official party channel, #prop, on the same server as the official Taijitu channel."
[20:57:44] <@Eluvatar> Yes
[20:58:02] <@Gulliver> "Party Congresses must be held in the official party channel, #prop, on the same server as the official Taijitu channel, or in a thread on the Party boards on the official Taijitu forum. "
[20:58:04] <@Gulliver> Does that work
[20:58:19] <@Eluvatar> Alternatively we could dispense with Congresses entirely
[20:58:27] <@Eluvatar> and just allow proposal threads
[20:58:40] <@Dyr> but that lessens the red tape
[20:58:54] <@Gulliver> That was the other option
[20:59:09] <@Gulliver> How about
[21:00:06] <@Dyr> Proposal threads would work if theres a similar measurement of activity of the party membership. seconds/thirds for the motions, timelines, etc
[21:00:15] <@Gulliver> " Any member may convoke a Party Congress whose business will be the adoption of a resolution on a subject. " replace with "Any member may propose the adoption of a resolution." and "Any member may propose an amendment to this charter."
[21:00:28] <@Gulliver> Well, we can work out procedure later
[21:00:35] <@Gulliver> Right now i mostly just want us to be able to hold things on the forum
[21:00:43] <@Gulliver> And remove Article 3
[21:01:00] <@Eluvatar> That'd work
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[21:01:12] <Vivec> um hi
[21:01:16] <@Dyr> o/
[21:01:26] <@Eluvatar> I'll copy Vivec on what we have so far
[21:02:04] <@Eluvatar> done
[21:02:24] <@Eluvatar> So, as written the Charter expects absolute majorities for everything
[21:02:40] <@Gulliver> Only for immediate affect I thought
[21:02:45] <Vivec> I doubt that'd be hard
[21:02:50] * Dyr is now known as DN|BRB
[21:02:50] <@Eluvatar> We could keep that, and add some sort of activity requirement, or we could require a second and set a vote duration
[21:03:09] <@Eluvatar> >  Any member who loses their citizenship, is convicted of a criminal offense by the Court of Taijitu, or violates this charter will cease to be a member.
[21:03:14] <@Eluvatar> ^ is the current loss of membership rule
[21:03:34] <@Eluvatar> well, I guess that's good enough for now
[21:03:42] <@Eluvatar> we can adjust things if we get inactive members later
[21:03:44] <@Gulliver> For now yes
[21:04:00] <@MyroPhone> I'm fine with this
[21:04:04] <@Gulliver> Article 6 and 7 don't specify absolute majorities
[21:04:12] <@Gulliver> I think absolute isonly for immediate affect during a congress
[21:04:21] <@Eluvatar> we can add "of party membership"
[21:04:54] <@Eluvatar> well we don't specify vote durations
[21:04:59] <@Eluvatar> outside of a congress
[21:05:19] <@Gulliver> Hm
[21:05:39] <@Eluvatar> I prefer absolute majorities to having vote lengths and seconds and whatnot
[21:06:02] <@Eluvatar> It's not like we need to adopt charter amendments or resolutions very often
[21:07:06] <@Gulliver> This is true
[21:07:12] <@Gulliver> Okay
[21:07:17] <@Eluvatar> so...
[21:07:44] <@Eluvatar> 1. Replace " Any member may convoke a Party Congress whose business will be the adoption of a resolution on a subject. " with ""Any member may propose the adoption of a resolution." and "Any member may propose an amendment to this charter."
[21:07:51] <@Eluvatar> 2. Repeal Article 3
[21:08:18] <@Eluvatar> 3. Add "of party membership" to "Any resolution will require a simple majority." and "An amendment to this charter will require a two-thirds majority."
[21:08:23] <@Eluvatar> --
[21:08:27] <@Eluvatar> that cover it?
[21:09:16] * DN|BRB is now known as Dyr
[21:09:20] <Vivec> ok
[21:09:22] <@MyroPhone> Yes
[21:09:50] * Eluvatar makes a wiki thing
[21:10:51] <@Gulliver> Yes
[21:10:53] <@Gulliver> That works
[21:11:04] <@MyroPhone> Motion to adopt
[21:11:22] <@Eluvatar> http://wiki.taijitu.org/w/index.php?title=Charter_of_the_Progressive_Party&diff=10562&oldid=7498
[21:11:30] <@MyroPhone>  This is like Taijitu's Senate all over again
[21:11:46] <@MyroPhone> Sorry omit that from the public log
[21:11:49] <@Eluvatar> lol
[21:11:57] <@Eluvatar> well this will be the last Congress
[21:11:57] <@Dyr> >_>
[21:12:15] <@MyroPhone>  Motion to adopt
[21:12:18] <@Eluvatar> Second
[21:12:20] <@MyroPhone> Aye
[21:12:22] <@Eluvatar> Aye
[21:12:37] <@Dyr> Aye
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[21:12:50] * Eluvatar gives channel operator status to Vivec
[21:12:55] <@Eluvatar> .c 5/7
[21:12:55] <FriarTuck> 5 / 7 = 0.714285714
[21:13:02] <@Gulliver> Aye
[21:13:13] <@Eluvatar> one more vote...
[21:13:27] <@Gulliver> I thought it was just a 2/3's majority
[21:13:32] <@Eluvatar> Of the party
[21:13:38] <@Eluvatar> > # If a sufficient fraction of all party members voted for the final statement of a Party Congress, it may immediately take effect.
[21:13:50] <@Gulliver> Isn't .71 > .6 repeating
[21:13:54] <@Eluvatar> Yes
[21:14:01] <@Eluvatar> Vivec will be the 5th vote
[21:14:11] <@Gulliver> Ohhh
[21:14:13] <@Eluvatar> MyroPhone, Eluvatar, Dyr, Gulliver = 4
[21:14:15] <@Gulliver> Vivec D:
[21:14:19] <@Gulliver> .c 4/7
[21:14:20] <FriarTuck> 4 / 7 = 0.571428571
[21:14:40] <@Eluvatar> Well it's less than 4/6...
[21:14:47] <@Dyr> lol
[21:15:17] <@Vivec> aye
[21:15:19] <@Vivec> sorry
[21:15:30] <@Dyr> \o/
[21:15:35] <@Eluvatar> Done!
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[21:15:42] <@Eluvatar> Since this was the sole purpose of the congress
[21:15:44] <@Eluvatar> I say we're done here
[21:16:06] <@Gulliver> Yes
[21:16:10] <@Gulliver> Eluvatar post the minutes
[21:16:14] <@Eluvatar> sure thing

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