Opening of the First Forum-Congress on the 94th day of the Glorious Revolution

[Myroria]

I believe the ProP should commit itself to defenderism in gameplay and support of a continuing direct democracy.

In addition I think the ProP should consider encouraging its members to vote as a united block.

[Stone Shark]

I believe the ProP should commit itself to defenderism in gameplay and support of a continuing direct democracy.

In addition I think the ProP should consider encouraging its members to vote as a united block.

1. Agreed, however I feel we should take a more active standpoint, and try and overtake the traditional, yet inactive Defender leadership.

2. Definitely, united we stand, divided we fall.

[Myroria]

I would also like to humbly request the Speaker allow debate to remain open one more day. Many of our members can only get on the forums on weekdays and I'd like to allow them to comment as well.

[Stone Shark]

I would also like to humbly request the Speaker allow debate to remain open one more day. Many of our members can only get on the forums on weekdays and I'd like to allow them to comment as well.

I will grant such a request and I shall extend debate for two more days in order for more members to post.

[Eluvatar]

I think we have a pretty simple core value: regional sovereignty and self-determination. As a result of that, we support defensive operations outside of Taijitu and direct democracy within Taijitu. We can say this in our new declaration of principles.

I'm not sure whether we should include a commitment to voting as a block in our declaration of principles. Are we truly democratic centralists?

I'd suggest that following this preliminary discussion phase, we take a day or two for people to submit actual written up declarations of principles, based on this dialogue.

[Myroria]

I support the "declaration of principles" proposal wholeheartedly. You also make a good point about block voting; while there will certainly be issues that need a unified front to pass, we can always encourage an "official" ProP position on those independently rather than come up with one for each minor proposal that floats by.

I think in general we should narrow our principles to apply to NationStates as best we can, rather than have sort of abstract values that can't really be applied to the game without a lot of work. The new Bill of Rights is a great example of cutting out the abstract things in favor of something actually practical. Now in general I think the ProP has always been pretty good about keeping things practical, but it's just something I'd like to point out.

[Gulliver]

Support of regional sovereignty makes sense. Would it make any sense to adopt a position regarding World Assembly issues at all, or is that too abstract? As for block votes, like Myroria says we can adopt positions on bills on as needed basis and encourage people to vote a certain way, but I don't think we have any mechanism by which we can actually force people to vote a certain way.

[Myroria]

I think we should GA resolutions that favor traditional progressive ideals.

As for the SC - everything there is caked in so many layers of bullshit we should decide our position on any important ones individually, after decoding it's language and intent.

[Dyr Nasad]

* Dyr Nasad obviously agrees with defending, democracy, etc

I don't know much about the GA - I tend to just ignore it anyone here know about its various factions and how Taijitu could fit in? (assuming we want to take part)

The SC can be very useful, but lately there has been a lot of spam/noob activity.

"traditional, yet inactive Defender leadership." <<< I'm curious as to whom this references.

[Funkadelia]

I think we have a pretty simple core value: regional sovereignty and self-determination. As a result of that, we support defensive operations outside of Taijitu and direct democracy within Taijitu. We can say this in our new declaration of principles.

I'm not sure whether we should include a commitment to voting as a block in our declaration of principles. Are we truly democratic centralists?

I'd suggest that following this preliminary discussion phase, we take a day or two for people to submit actual written up declarations of principles, based on this dialogue.

I was going to post in this thread but then this post made me not have to. Just imagine me saying this a second time.

[Stone Shark]

I think we have a pretty simple core value: regional sovereignty and self-determination. As a result of that, we support defensive operations outside of Taijitu and direct democracy within Taijitu. We can say this in our new declaration of principles.

I'm not sure whether we should include a commitment to voting as a block in our declaration of principles. Are we truly democratic centralists?

I'd suggest that following this preliminary discussion phase, we take a day or two for people to submit actual written up declarations of principles, based on this dialogue.

I was going to post in this thread but then this post made me not have to. Just imagine me saying this a second time.

I'll extend debate for two more days. Sorry guys, I have a lot of school work.

Here I am referring to the UDL and TITO. I have not seen any defending work from them in a while. Though I like the work Lazarus is doing though.

[Myroria]

I would like to move that this Congress affirms the Progressive Party shall promote the defense of regional sovereignty abroad and a general program of reform at home, in the spirit of the Glorious Revolution.

[Dyr Nasad]

Second

[McMasterdonia]

I'm so glad to see that the only active political party is still meeting to discuss the many nefarious ways they will force their various policies on the region under their iron fisted leadership.

Progressive Party? More like Fascist Party.  FaP is way better than ProP.

[Myroria]

literally obama