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City Center => Zocalo => Progressive Party => Topic started by: Myroria on November 29, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
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Oyez! Oyez! Oyez!
I exercise my SOLEMN RIGHT as a CITIZEN OF TAIJITU and a MEMBER OF THE PROGRESSIVE PARTY to call this FIRST FORUM-BASED CONGRESS of the POST-REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESSIVE PARTY. In a PATRIOTIC AND REVOLUTIONARY SPIRIT I choose to DISREGARD THE BYLAWS and demand this Congress be held IMMEDIATELY and IN THIS FORUM.
I CALL UPON CITIZEN-SERGEANT DYR NASAD TO ATTEND.
I CALL UPON CITIZEN ELUVATAR TO ATTEND.
I CALL UPON CITIZEN-INITIATOR GULLIVER TO ATTEND.
I CALL UPON CITIZEN FUNKADELIA TO ATTEND.
I CALL UPON CITIZEN ZIMMERWALD TO ATTEND.
To be discussed at the FIRST FORUM-CONGRESS of the POST-REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESSIVE PARTY:
1. What should the POST-REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESSIVE PARTY stand for? What values shall we affirm?
2. Who shall be Chairperson of the Progressive Party?
3. Who shall be Spokesperson of the Progressive Party?
4. What is our place in the GLORIOUS DIRECT DEMOCRACY of the Ecclesia? How should we determine party opinion on proposals?
5. A GLORIOUS UNVEILING of the new LOGO OF THE PROGRESSIVE PARTY.
Hail Taijitu! Hail the Glorious Revolution! Hail the Progressive Party, vanguard of the Glorious Revolution!
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Hear hear! As Citizen-Initiator I will be in attendance.
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One guest pass please :)
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As a new member can I participate?
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All are welcome to participate in this Congress!
We should first elect a Speaker to keep things orderly. Any recommendations?
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I don't know if it is appropriate to self nominate, but I have yet to take on any real responsibility within Taijitu. If I am to take on further responsibility within Taijitu, I feel I should have some reference, I think the job of Speaker for this Congress could be good experience for myself.
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I WILL ATTEND.
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I'll second Stone Shark's nomination. I'd like to wait until Monday before appending a poll to this thread, in order to allow stragglers to show up.
In regards to the poll, I see no reason we can't append a poll as needed for each motion and remove it as we come to an agreement - after recording the results, of course.
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/me will be vaguely around
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Allama shall be in attendance.
In regards to the poll, I see no reason we can't append a poll as needed for each motion and remove it as we come to an agreement - after recording the results, of course.
Sense and sensibility. Hear hear!
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Am here, will continue to be here.
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Allama shall be in attendance.
In regards to the poll, I see no reason we can't append a poll as needed for each motion and remove it as we come to an agreement - after recording the results, of course.
Sense and sensibility. Hear hear!
Hear! Hear! :drunks:
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I am in attendance.
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If there are no other nominations, I would like to move we elect Stone Shark Speaker of this Congress.
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If there are no other nominations, I would like to move we elect Stone Shark Speaker of this Congress.
Movement seconded.
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/me approves
/me also wonders how sharks and turtles get along...
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Swimmingly.
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/me approves
/me also wonders how sharks and turtles get along...
We get along good. :wb:
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I have opened a poll. It will be open for two days or until one option has a majority of votes (4, considering our party roster).
I can't close this poll to non-party members without making a user group for our parry. Therefore, I request that citizens not in the ProP please refrain from voting.
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I think that goes without saying, and you can always do an official count after you figure out the poll is tainted.
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I thought we did have a group for the party?
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We do, and the forum should already be masked such that only people in that group can vote here.
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Gulliver is correct. I was mistaken.
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I can't vote in the poll.
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I have added you to the member group. You should be able to vote now :)
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I have added you to the member group. You should be able to vote now :)
Awesome.
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With five votes for Stone Shark, we have an absolute majority of party members. I'll let the poll conclude before officially recording the results.
Stone Shark, you may go through the five topics I came up with in any order you wish, and of course you may add any other topics you deem appropriate, or that the Congress wishes to discuss. In addition, you will be responsible for recording votes. I will temporarily make you a moderator of this board so that you will be able to add polls.
I hope we have a happy Congress!
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With five votes for Stone Shark, we have an absolute majority of party members. I'll let the poll conclude before officially recording the results.
Stone Shark, you may go through the five topics I came up with in any order you wish, and of course you may add any other topics you deem appropriate, or that the Congress wishes to discuss. In addition, you will be responsible for recording votes. I will temporarily make you a moderator of this board so that you will be able to add polls.
I hope we have a happy Congress!
Awesome. So should I wait until the results officially conclude to open the congress and begin debate? Or can I begin immediately?
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You may begin whenever you'd like!
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Official Congress Bulletin
I, Stone Shark, as Speaker of the First Congress of the Post-Revolutionary Progressive Party hereby call this congress to order.
As speaker I hereby open debate on the first issue at hand, which is:
What should the Post-Revolutionary Progressive Party stand for? What values shall we affirm?
I call upon all Congress Members to comment.
Debate shall be held for a Maximum of two days. Afterwards a vote shall be held to determine the Prop's official stance.
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I believe the ProP should commit itself to defenderism in gameplay and support of a continuing direct democracy.
In addition I think the ProP should consider encouraging its members to vote as a united block.
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I believe the ProP should commit itself to defenderism in gameplay and support of a continuing direct democracy.
In addition I think the ProP should consider encouraging its members to vote as a united block.
1. Agreed, however I feel we should take a more active standpoint, and try and overtake the traditional, yet inactive Defender leadership.
2. Definitely, united we stand, divided we fall.
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I would also like to humbly request the Speaker allow debate to remain open one more day. Many of our members can only get on the forums on weekdays and I'd like to allow them to comment as well.
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I would also like to humbly request the Speaker allow debate to remain open one more day. Many of our members can only get on the forums on weekdays and I'd like to allow them to comment as well.
I will grant such a request and I shall extend debate for two more days in order for more members to post.
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I think we have a pretty simple core value: regional sovereignty and self-determination. As a result of that, we support defensive operations outside of Taijitu and direct democracy within Taijitu. We can say this in our new declaration of principles.
I'm not sure whether we should include a commitment to voting as a block in our declaration of principles. Are we truly democratic centralists?
I'd suggest that following this preliminary discussion phase, we take a day or two for people to submit actual written up declarations of principles, based on this dialogue.
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I support the "declaration of principles" proposal wholeheartedly. You also make a good point about block voting; while there will certainly be issues that need a unified front to pass, we can always encourage an "official" ProP position on those independently rather than come up with one for each minor proposal that floats by.
I think in general we should narrow our principles to apply to NationStates as best we can, rather than have sort of abstract values that can't really be applied to the game without a lot of work. The new Bill of Rights is a great example of cutting out the abstract things in favor of something actually practical. Now in general I think the ProP has always been pretty good about keeping things practical, but it's just something I'd like to point out.
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Support of regional sovereignty makes sense. Would it make any sense to adopt a position regarding World Assembly issues at all, or is that too abstract? As for block votes, like Myroria says we can adopt positions on bills on as needed basis and encourage people to vote a certain way, but I don't think we have any mechanism by which we can actually force people to vote a certain way.
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I think we should GA resolutions that favor traditional progressive ideals.
As for the SC - everything there is caked in so many layers of bullshit we should decide our position on any important ones individually, after decoding it's language and intent.
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/me obviously agrees with defending, democracy, etc
I don't know much about the GA - I tend to just ignore it :P anyone here know about its various factions and how Taijitu could fit in? (assuming we want to take part)
The SC can be very useful, but lately there has been a lot of spam/noob activity.
"traditional, yet inactive Defender leadership." <<< I'm curious as to whom this references.
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I think we have a pretty simple core value: regional sovereignty and self-determination. As a result of that, we support defensive operations outside of Taijitu and direct democracy within Taijitu. We can say this in our new declaration of principles.
I'm not sure whether we should include a commitment to voting as a block in our declaration of principles. Are we truly democratic centralists?
I'd suggest that following this preliminary discussion phase, we take a day or two for people to submit actual written up declarations of principles, based on this dialogue.
I was going to post in this thread but then this post made me not have to. Just imagine me saying this a second time.
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I think we have a pretty simple core value: regional sovereignty and self-determination. As a result of that, we support defensive operations outside of Taijitu and direct democracy within Taijitu. We can say this in our new declaration of principles.
I'm not sure whether we should include a commitment to voting as a block in our declaration of principles. Are we truly democratic centralists?
I'd suggest that following this preliminary discussion phase, we take a day or two for people to submit actual written up declarations of principles, based on this dialogue.
I was going to post in this thread but then this post made me not have to. Just imagine me saying this a second time.
I'll extend debate for two more days. Sorry guys, I have a lot of school work.
Here I am referring to the UDL and TITO. I have not seen any defending work from them in a while. Though I like the work Lazarus is doing though.
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I would like to move that this Congress affirms the Progressive Party shall promote the defense of regional sovereignty abroad and a general program of reform at home, in the spirit of the Glorious Revolution.
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Second
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I'm so glad to see that the only active political party is still meeting to discuss the many nefarious ways they will force their various policies on the region under their iron fisted leadership.
Progressive Party? More like Fascist Party. FaP is way better than ProP.
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literally obama
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With the Speaker being absent for the past few days, I have taken the liberty of appending the new poll myself. Patriotic and revolutionary spirit, etc.
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While this vote is underway, I would like to discuss the next matter at hand: the Secretary and Spokesperson. I think it would be simplest and easiest to consider these two position together.
Article 4 of the Party Charter states that:
Article 4: Party Offices
1. There will be a Secretary, responsible for administering the records, votes and elections of the party and a Spokesperson, responsible for administering the recruitment, campaigning and public relations of the party.
2. Any member may convoke a Congress whose business shall be to elect one or more Officers at any time to any office to which the Congress calls an election.
3. All offices will be elected by a Condorcet vote. Any ties will be broken in favor of the most senior member.
4.. Any officer may tender a letter of resignation to the Secretary at any time. If an officer does so, an election for the position will be held. If the election concludes successfully and a new officer is elected, the former officer will be relieved of their office and the newly elected officer will take their place. If no new officer is elected, the officer’s letter of resignation will be refused.
Relevant part, describing the party offices and their duties, is in bold. At this point I open the floor to nominations for these offices as well as suggestions, if anyone has any, on how to improve them.
In addition, as much as we all like Condorcet, I'm not sure if we have the apparatus to elect offices in that manner at this time. Eluvatar, Gulliver, please tell me if I'm mistaken! :)
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Condorcet votes can be voted by hand with such a small number of voters like we have, but the ballot wouldn't be secret. If we want a secret ballot we'll have to stick to a runoff/exhaustive ballot/approval vote.
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I'm mostly ambivalent in that matter but lean towards preferring a secret ballot since individuals are involved. That being said, I would like to hear from the rest of the party concerning this.
I would also like to nominate myself for Spokesperson, if it pleases this Congress. I have held the position in the past and find it quite enjoyable.
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why doesn't the party just vote to destroy everything taijitu stands for
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We already did McMasterdonia, but it was in a secret cabal under the darkness of a new moon on All Hallows Eve.
As for elections, I suspect there will be few enough candidates for each position that we can just use poll vote for now without making much of a difference.
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Sounds good to me.
I nominate Gulliver and Funkadelia for Party Secretary.
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I accept my nomination.
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If there are no other nominations by Monday I will move this to a vote.
The previous vote has passed, as well.
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The previous vote has passed unanimously.
We will now vote on Secretary. This vote shall be open for three days.
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Gulliver has been elected Secretary.
We will now vote on Spokesperson. This vote shall be open for three days.
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Myroria has been elected Spokesperson.
The next item on the glorious agenda is:
4. What is our place in the GLORIOUS DIRECT DEMOCRACY of the Ecclesia? How should we determine party opinion on proposals?
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In my opinion the Progressive Party should push for the same thing it always has: sensible reform. The Glorious Revolution brought a wave of reform to Taijitu the likes of which has never been seen, but it's not without its problems. The ProP has a duty to preserve the spirit of the Revolution while perfecting it.
I would also like to propose a recruitment drive for the ProP as well as electing a party whip. If a particularly spirited discussion is happening in the Ecclesia, we should have a simultaneous discussion here to determine an official party line on the issue and have the whip drum up support.
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I think the ProP should take a stronger stance in GP as well. We should wholly embrace the Sovereigntism ideology and work for establishing a strong military and foreign service which can act on it.
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I think the ProP should take a stronger stance in GP as well. We should wholly embrace the Sovereigntism ideology and work for establishing a strong military and foreign service which can act on it.
I full heartedly agree with this.
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No objections from this member of the ProP cabal.
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I... also endorse that manifesto :)
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:clap: