Taijitu Greater War

[St Oz]

With lots of talk of forming a UN thing, people have been discussing a second great war or the greater war. I don't know how we'd implement it, but thoughts, feelings, ideas??

[Khem]

I am thoroughly for this as it aligns our history in such a way that more nations based on RL nations could utilize a WWII for history in which such is necessary.

[Myroria]

I am enthusiastic about this idea as well. With the length of the Great War and it ending in 1912, I would suggest having it start in the mid-1940s.

The Cefnor Community, founded in the late 20th century, is comprised of (at least, and I believe) Myroria, Eluvatar, and St. Oz, so I think to keep that together those three nations will have to be at least not openly fighting each other.

The casus belli is also something that needs to be determined. What would cause the world to go to war again? Things left unsettled by the peace at the end of the Great War? New political systems?

[bigbaldben]

40s might be too early for nuclear stuff - nuclear testing, or Iran situation where some countries want to keep one or more nation from getting nukes.

My nation is expansionist and really bad at not wiping out indigenous peoples. If you needed a bad guy, I could be persuaded.

Really, just about any country could kick it off by invading/annexing a Crimea or Ukraine.

Then there are always religious wars, though underlying actions would need to exist.

[Eluvatar]

I am enthusiastic about this idea as well. With the length of the Great War and it ending in 1912, I would suggest having it start in the mid-1940s.

The Cefnor Community, founded in the late 20th century, is comprised of (at least, and I believe) Myroria, Eluvatar, and St. Oz, so I think to keep that together those three nations will have to be at least not openly fighting each other.

The casus belli is also something that needs to be determined. What would cause the world to go to war again? Things left unsettled by the peace at the end of the Great War? New political systems?

The European Community included Britain, France, and Germany, so I don't think we need to require them to have been friends then.

[Myroria]

That's a good point.

[St Oz]

We could have Imperial Sobek invading Zanzatar too, or we could have Imperial Sobek/Zanzatar joining up to do a northeastern expansion into eluvatar. I don't know if Imperial Sobek, Zanzatar, or Eluvatar are up for some sort of winter war like that as well with the MO invading southern cefnor and maybe even climbing up to St. Oz/Letonna.

St. Oz might be the reluctant ally sort of type in all this mess, until they eventually get dragged into it.

If things don't make since I could see how St. Oz could be a baddy

[Allama]

My nation is expansionist and really bad at not wiping out indigenous peoples. If you needed a bad guy, I could be persuaded.

Really, just about any country could kick it off by invading/annexing a Crimea or Ukraine.

I offer up Jutensa as a potential location for the conflict's spark. We'd be pretty ripe for invasion around that point.

[Aquatoria]

I would agree with this. I would imagine Kerras would become a battleground in itself as it sits at the opening to the straits. Which I would imagine Kerras being occupied and perhaps a government in exile and a Free Kerran Armed Forces. 

[St Oz]

My nation is expansionist and really bad at not wiping out indigenous peoples. If you needed a bad guy, I could be persuaded.

Really, just about any country could kick it off by invading/annexing a Crimea or Ukraine.

I offer up Jutensa as a potential location for the conflict's spark. We'd be pretty ripe for invasion around that point.

you want an expansionist nation? oh my!

[Myroria]

Oz also pointed out in IRC the opportunity for stories about fighting in the rural areas in the south of Myroria/north of Ozia. It could even be possible that the people living in the mountains in that area, isolated from their respective societies, might be more interested in fighting whatever intruders were encroaching on that land rather than each other (assuming Ozia and Myroria are on opposite sides).

I'll link Gulliver to this thread as well. As a fascist dictatorship, his nation would almost certainly be itching to fight whoever could make the war industry churn.

Here's a list of political systems for nations that might participate. If I'm misinterpreting yours, please correct me. Alliances will probably work best if the regimes of the nations in them are not built on opposing political systems.

Eluvatar: parliamentary democracy
Ozia: one-party communist state
Rykkovaa: fascist dictatorship
Myroria: constitutional monarchy, very powerful monarch, weak legislature
Kerras: liberal democracy
al'Khem: aristocracy/caste system (unsure of the situation in the 40s-50s)
Megatrine Republic: unsure of the situation in the 40s-50s
Jutensa: unsure of the situation in the 40s-50s

I think any sort of conflict starting in Jutensa would involve colonialist powers being the aggressors (but I could be wrong!) Myroria could be itching for power projection as it recovers from the original Great War, Ozia could want to project its own political power in a historical colony, or the Megatrine Republic could want a foothold inside Cefnor rather than being confined to the outer rim. In a similar vein, colonialist powers could try forcing a regime change or outright annexation on Funkadelia.

Just brainstorming though! There are any number of coalition combinations, or casus belli that could work.

[Delfos]

at the 30s the nations around Delphic Bay are trying to defend themselves against the Honto Empire which will be largely based on Japan. I guess "we" could have a similar role to Japan in this great war, but I'm unsure how things would work in the international level.

I'm sure Honto would not be on Eluvatar's side since I'm trying to build a sort of alliance around the 1700s between Viritian Delfos and Eluvatar (which would result on Eluvatar's support for Viritian Delfos in 1800s against the northern alliances of Delfos. Honto would more likely be close to Ozia or Myroria.

In a way Honto is still far away from Cefnor (thanks oz), would Honto invade the former (or current) Cefnor colonies east of Cefnor?

[bigbaldben]

Megatrine Republic: unsure of the situation in the 40s-50s

No hard history for that time frame, so it can be whatever would work best with whoever our allies are.  Great thing about this is this time frame is just before our Civil War.  A misguided invasion of Jutensa or whatever would lead into that Era very nicely.  And a two-pronged invasion of Funkadelia and Jutensa can be easily conceived as motivated by access to shipping/trade routes from Cefnor to whatever that area is w/ Myroria et al.   St. Oz could be an ally looking for control across the pond.

Ooo, Oz could attack Jutensa and MTO invade Funkadelia as allies, though Oz is not about trade so much.  Maybe J & F restricts our access for some reason?  Could be a human trafficking issue?

Clearly just stream of consciousness thinking here!

Not sure where Honto resides on the map...

[St Oz]

Ooo, Oz could attack Jutensa and MTO invade Funkadelia as allies, though Oz is not about trade so much.  Maybe J & F restricts our access for some reason?  Could be a human trafficking issue?

Yeah not sure where honto is either.

Like I said earlier, Post-Great War might mellow out Ozia to the prospects of war, and they'd be a reluctant ally. I can change whatever attitude that would be though to fit the situation.

[Aquatoria]

I think any sort of conflict starting in Jutensa would involve colonialist powers being the aggressors (but I could be wrong!) Myroria could be itching for power projection as it recovers from the original Great War, Ozia could want to project its own political power in a historical colony, or the Megatrine Republic could want a foothold inside Cefnor rather than being confined to the outer rim. In a similar vein, colonialist powers could try forcing a regime change or outright annexation on Funkadelia.

Just brainstorming though! There are any number of coalition combinations, or casus belli that could work.

I wouldn't mind playing as both an occupied nation and a free forces as well. Kerras itself would see itself as neutral, but its internal politics would for sure bring foreign powers to its shores.  I couldn't say if Ozia would actually make a move to either reclaim Kerras or establish a more Ozia-friendly, communist leaning government. Would make for an interesting RP for sure.