I am enthusiastic about this idea as well. With the length of the Great War and it ending in 1912, I would suggest having it start in the mid-1940s.The European Community included Britain, France, and Germany, so I don't think we need to require them to have been friends then.
The Cefnor Community, founded in the late 20th century, is comprised of (at least, and I believe) Myroria, Eluvatar, and St. Oz, so I think to keep that together those three nations will have to be at least not openly fighting each other.
The casus belli is also something that needs to be determined. What would cause the world to go to war again? Things left unsettled by the peace at the end of the Great War? New political systems?
My nation is expansionist and really bad at not wiping out indigenous peoples. If you needed a bad guy, I could be persuaded.
Really, just about any country could kick it off by invading/annexing a Crimea or Ukraine.
My nation is expansionist and really bad at not wiping out indigenous peoples. If you needed a bad guy, I could be persuaded.
Really, just about any country could kick it off by invading/annexing a Crimea or Ukraine.
I offer up Jutensa as a potential location for the conflict's spark. We'd be pretty ripe for invasion around that point.
Megatrine Republic: unsure of the situation in the 40s-50s
Ooo, Oz could attack Jutensa and MTO invade Funkadelia as allies, though Oz is not about trade so much. Maybe J & F restricts our access for some reason? Could be a human trafficking issue?
I think any sort of conflict starting in Jutensa would involve colonialist powers being the aggressors (but I could be wrong!) Myroria could be itching for power projection as it recovers from the original Great War, Ozia could want to project its own political power in a historical colony, or the Megatrine Republic could want a foothold inside Cefnor rather than being confined to the outer rim. In a similar vein, colonialist powers could try forcing a regime change or outright annexation on Funkadelia.
Just brainstorming though! There are any number of coalition combinations, or casus belli that could work.
Ooo, Oz could attack Jutensa and MTO invade Funkadelia as allies, though Oz is not about trade so much. Maybe J & F restricts our access for some reason? Could be a human trafficking issue?I just thought about that too. But my thought was, some people were talking about having, maybe, after the first Great War a "League of Nations that actually worked." My idea is possible Funkadelia being invaded by one of the Northern Cefnor countries for one reason or another, and then Funkadelia's leader giving a Haile Selassie type speech (http://www.blackpast.org/1936-emperor-haile-selassie-ethiopia-appeal-league-nations) to this organization, and instead of everyone going "meh," people could actually act on it, triggering a war. That might be too close to RL history for some people's tastes though.
I've thought about removing some of the very inactive southern cefnor nations (less than 20 posts... hasn't logged on in months), and adding more land to the Multidimensional Order since it's historically an expansionist nation
I particularly like your take on the North vs South and would agree that use of nuclear arms to prevent future nuclear arms is more S.O.D. reinforcing than a complete lack of such weapons.
What would Honto's opinion on any of the scenarios Eluvatar posited be? Realistically it would not dive into a Cefnor-central war without a reason to.If involvement is assumed then the thing to uncover is relationships. I'd honestly like to see Delfos attempting to cry for peace throughout the war, emphasising the destruction it causes in the global economy.
I think we should also pinpoint a definite starting year before we begin. I think 1946 would be a good place to start, but I'm not sure how anyone else feels about that.I was thinking later, like 1949 or 1950.
Maybe the best way to set this up would be to have everyone list off which "side" they want to be on, we don't have to call it "allies" or "axis" but rather Winning or Losing side or if we want this to end with armistice.Neutral, please. The TDP is going through a revolution during this period. However, we do send messages of hope and support for Funkadelia.
| politicks | Early Colonial | Late Colonial | Sovereigntists |
| Republic | Jutensa Eluvatar Kerras | ||
| Imperialist/Monarchy/Feudalism | Myroria Letonna | Honto (Delfos) Mega Tridimentional Order (BBB) Khem | Rykkovaa |
| Communist/Anarchist | Ozia | Delphic Resistance (Delfos) |
| Team Edward | Team Jacob |
| Ozia Eluvatar Funkadelia Myroria Jutensa Delphic Resistance (Delfos)* | Megatridimentional Order (BBB) Khem Rykkovaa (Gulliver) Honto (Delfos) |
Maybe the best way to set this up would be to have everyone list off which "side" they want to be on, we don't have to call it "allies" or "axis" but rather Winning or Losing side or if we want this to end with armistice.
Team Edward Team Jacob Ozia
Eluvatar
Funkadelia
Myroria
Jutensa
Delphic Resistance (Delfos)Megatridimentional Order (BBB)
Khem
Rykkovaa (Gulliver)
Honto (Delfos)
"Baddies" and I would like to lose.Team Jacob for the lose, yes.
I will play neutral for a bit, but if Khem is cool to do it, perhaps a Khemish invasion and occupation of Keras. Perhaps to stop a pro-Team "Good Guys" government from taking the election in the Civic Council. Then sets up a pro-Team "Bad Guys" government while a government and army in exile escapes to Ozia.Most certainly :D Keras would be a perfect for such. Though I imagine this would be early into the conflict.
I will play neutral for a bit, but if Khem is cool to do it, perhaps a Khemish invasion and occupation of Keras. Perhaps to stop a pro-Team "Good Guys" government from taking the election in the Civic Council. Then sets up a pro-Team "Bad Guys" government while a government and army in exile escapes to Ozia.Most certainly :D Keras would be a perfect for such. Though I imagine this would be early into the conflict.
Additionally I officially do not approve the team names as they stand, can't rightly associate with such titles.
Anyway, how about the Cefnor Axis of Colonial Defense (Team Vampires) vs Alliance of Free States (Team Werewolves).I'm not all that sold on these names either. I think we should save the naming for when the sides are clear and allow each alliance to craft its own title.
I will play neutral for a bit, but if Khem is cool to do it, perhaps a Khemish invasion and occupation of Keras. Perhaps to stop a pro-Team "Good Guys" government from taking the election in the Civic Council. Then sets up a pro-Team "Bad Guys" government while a government and army in exile escapes to Ozia.Most certainly :D Keras would be a perfect for such. Though I imagine this would be early into the conflict.
Additionally I officially do not approve the team names as they stand, can't rightly associate with such titles.
I agree about the current team names. I could see an invasion of Keras happening early as it would open access to the Straits, plus it would be a brilliant military maneuver. Plus we could RP a sort of Evacuation of Dunkirk analog as well along with the Siege of Keras. I already have an idea that the Admiral of the Self-Defense-Navy becomes the leader of all the Keran forces and government in exile.
Anyway, how about the Cefnor Axis of Colonial Defense (Team Vampires) vs Alliance of Free States (Team Werewolves).I'm not all that sold on these names either. I think we should save the naming for when the sides are clear and allow each alliance to craft its own title.I will play neutral for a bit, but if Khem is cool to do it, perhaps a Khemish invasion and occupation of Keras. Perhaps to stop a pro-Team "Good Guys" government from taking the election in the Civic Council. Then sets up a pro-Team "Bad Guys" government while a government and army in exile escapes to Ozia.Most certainly :D Keras would be a perfect for such. Though I imagine this would be early into the conflict.
Additionally I officially do not approve the team names as they stand, can't rightly associate with such titles.
I agree about the current team names. I could see an invasion of Keras happening early as it would open access to the Straits, plus it would be a brilliant military maneuver. Plus we could RP a sort of Evacuation of Dunkirk analog as well along with the Siege of Keras. I already have an idea that the Admiral of the Self-Defense-Navy becomes the leader of all the Keran forces and government in exile.
I'm imagining the initial stages of the invasion would be naval battles what with us both being ocean driven nations. I'm now picturing a small city of ships full of exiles floating in the straits while Ozia and Eluvatar argue who is going to take them in.
Please tell me the actual names won't be Team Edward and Team Jacob...
can i[solc] be like the italy of the TGW?
I mean i'd tag along with whoever's the Axis power but butt out after a bit
After talking with Eluvatar, Myro and Khem, I'm convinced to join the bad guys, albeit:Quotecan i[solc] be like the italy of the TGW?
I mean i'd tag along with whoever's the Axis power but butt out after a bit
I can start next week.
Additionally the party in power at the time will be the Ma'at Sa'Bayt. My starting point is below:Maa't Sa'Bayt Flag *
(http://wiki.taijitu.org/w/images/4/47/Maat_Sabayt_flag.png)
1941 CE: Ma'at Sa'Bayt or "Justice Learned" Party dominates Khemish elections. Mh'ra Ht'ter is elected En'Ku on a platform demonizing Kaihesse'zhi and espousing Khemish exceptionalism.
Ok, so we need someplace to start. It's always easier, I think, for a group to have someplace to start and then cut/add/modify/reject as each member sees their part. So I'll throw this out there to start and then we can make changes to anything and everything.Nice. Could you include the TDP somewhere at the start of the timeline (we won't fight, but are supportive of Funkadelia; we are going through a revolution).
I am fully aware that this is written as I would "like" to see it happen, and I don't have complete knowledge of how you all see your nations and what you want their role to be. No offense taken if anyone wants to make changes - I am not married to this. And I have no doubt it will be a better experience if you guys weigh in that what I scrawled here. Just trying to kick things off. :)
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The Greater War
Timeline (DRAFT)
1940 or so: MTO is wrapping up assimilating another culture in an expansion (thanks Oz!). We open "discussions" with Ogbuni (which is NPC I think) and Funkadelia for resources. They refuse our totally fair and not at all exploitative deal. We just keep our troops marching west, because we never intended them to accept, heh. But we'll be propaganda'ing the "oppressive regimes" of Funkadelia and Ogbuni angle.
1942: MTO rips through Ogbuni like paper mache. Al Khem and Markos jump on board with MTO, officially supporting the "free the people" idea. Khem goes after Jutensa and/or north while MTO keep Funkadelia's attention on us at Khem's back.
1943: Funkadelia is putting up a hell of a fight and Marcos sends first troops to help the MTO. But MTO is still unable to gain ground. Khem has initial success in Jutensa and a surprise attack on Keras, earning condemnation from the north and Delfos, but only Delfos sends actual forces to stop the advance.
1944:
Frustrated as hell by Funkadelia, MTO, Marcos and Khem go with the dirty bombs. They also make an "underhanded" alliance with Rykkova, who agrees to stab the other Northern nations in the back should they commit south.
MTO pounds Funkadelia with atom bombs (2?). The images and newsreels are too much. Funkadelia does that speech thing he was talking about. The North dives in full bore and all nations send forces.
Rykkova completely blindsides Eluvatar, Myroria and St. Oz in a three pronged attaack.
Khem continues to stretch and nails Oz & Eluvatar before they can scramble troops. Marcos, which had mostly just supported MTO to this point, launch a pre-emptive strike on Resdayna (Myroria), Vazhuvir (Oz) and Nova Letonna. In a secret meeting, MTO warns Khem and Markoser to take care to not stretch themselves too thin.
1945:
Occupied by Rykkova's surprise attacks, the north loses Resdayna (Myroria), Vazhuvir (Oz) and Nova Letonna to Markoser.
Khem, trying to keep gains in Jutensa and Keras, lands ground troops in Oz. Not long after, with Khem stretched thin, Jutensa and Delfos push Khem out of Jutensa.
Markoser forces steam towards Delfos, and Delfos leaves Jutensa just in time to recall troops to their homeland to defend against Markoser.
MTO finally makes headway into Funkadelia, but Markoser pulls out remaining forces to join the front at Delfos. (This will lead to an icy relationship between MTO and Markoser later in the century.) MTOs headway is stopped.
1946:
Markoser hits Delfos' shores and are absolutelly shredded by Delfos' defenses.
Rykkova, unable to sustain fighting on three fronts, makes a deal to stop now and withdraw in exchange for the fascist regime to stay in power.
The North, able now to focus, re-liberates Keras from Khem and Oz. Khem retreats to their own borders and surrenders as the brunt of the northern forces approach.
With massive casualties in Delfos, Markoser can no longer hold the southern continent. St. Oz and Myroria attack Markoser from the north, and Markoser has no choice but to surrender.
MTO is spitting mad at Rykkovia for obvious reasons, and furious with Khem and Markoser for extending themselves too far. MTO stubbornly refuses to withdraw from Funkadelia. With the other nations eliminated, the North descends on MTO. MTO leadership tears itself apart into opposing factions, and troops scatter as the north pours into Funkadelia. A new faction gains control of the fractured MTO government and promptly surrenders.
Aftermath:
MTO returns West Ogbuni to the northern alliance, but keeps some of Ogbuni because of rioting in some eastern areas that are loyal to MTO. This will allow MTO to still claim "success" in every single war ever. :D MTO slides into Civil War.
Rykkovia remains fascist.
Markoser gets their islands back, as the North never had any desire for the islands in the first place, and culturally, it wouldn't work.
Creation of the Glorious All-Nation Alliance for Harmony and Justice (Or whatever - the U.N. thing) and atomic/nuclear weapons are the first order of business....
The Greater War
Timeline (DRAFT)
1940 or so: MTO is wrapping up assimilating another culture in an expansion (thanks Oz!). We open "discussions" with Ogbuni (which is NPC I think) and Funkadelia for resources. They refuse our totally fair and not at all exploitative deal. We just keep our troops marching west, because we never intended them to accept, heh. But we'll be propaganda'ing the "oppressive regimes" of Funkadelia and Ogbuni angle.
[in]1941: Ma'at Sa'Bayt or "Justice Learned" Party dominates Khemish elections. Mh'ra Ht'ter is elected En'Ku on a platform demonizing n'Khem and espousing Khemish exceptionalism. Encouraged by the MTO ideal of "liberation from oppressive regimes" the Ma'at Sa'Bayt begin an intense propaganda campaign espousing fear of "terrorists and monarchists". In Lumidor a massive explosion rocks the city of Azuth which is blamed on n'Khem and utilized as an excuse for full militarization of the Khemish State.[/in]
1942: MTO rips through Ogbuni like paper mache. Al Khem and Markos jump on board with MTO, officially supporting the "free the people" idea. [in]Khemish ground troops begin to "liberate" Jutensa as the Khemish navy expands their influence northward[/in] while MTO keep Funkadelia's attention on us at Khem's back.
1943: Funkadelia is putting up a hell of a fight and Marcos sends first troops to help the MTO. But MTO is still unable to gain ground. Khem has initial success in Jutensa and a surprise attack on Keras, earning condemnation from the north and Delfos, but only Delfos sends actual forces to stop the advance. [in]Khemish physicists develop the first functioning nuclear weapons, testing is conducted by a coalition of MTO and Khemish scientific and military personnel the details of these meeting kept as a state secret.[/in]
1944:
Frustrated as hell by Funkadelia, MTO, Marcos and Khem go with the dirty bombs. They also make an "underhanded" alliance with Rykkova, who agrees to stab the other Northern nations in the back should they commit south.
MTO pounds Funkadelia with atom bombs (2?). The images and newsreels are too much. Funkadelia does that speech thing he was talking about. The North dives in full bore and all nations send forces.
Rykkova completely blindsides Eluvatar, Myroria and St. Oz in a three pronged attaack.
Khem continues to stretch and nails Oz & Eluvatar before they can scramble troops. Marcos, which had mostly just supported MTO to this point, launch a pre-emptive strike on Resdayna (Myroria), Vazhuvir (Oz) and Nova Letonna. In a secret meeting, MTO warns Khem and Markoser to take care to not stretch themselves too thin.
1945:
Occupied by Rykkova's surprise attacks, the north loses Resdayna (Myroria), Vazhuvir (Oz) and Nova Letonna to Markoser.
Khem, trying to keep gains in Jutensa and Keras, lands ground troops in Oz. Not long after, with Khem stretched thin, Jutensa and Delfos push Khem out of Jutensa [in]proving the ground there too costly, Ma'at Sa'Bayt leadership commit the troops from the Jutensan front toward the northern front.[/in]
Markoser forces steam towards Delfos, and Delfos leaves Jutensa just in time to recall troops to their homeland to defend against Markoser.
MTO finally makes headway into Funkadelia, but Markoser pulls out remaining forces to join the front at Delfos. (This will lead to an icy relationship between MTO and Markoser later in the century.) MTOs headway is stopped.
1946:
Markoser hits Delfos' shores and are absolutelly shredded by Delfos' defenses.
Rykkova, unable to sustain fighting on three fronts, makes a deal to stop now and withdraw in exchange for the fascist regime to stay in power.
The North, able now to focus, re-liberates [st]Keras from Khem and[/st] Oz.[st] Khem retreats to their own borders and surrenders as the brunt of the northern forces approach.[/st] [in]Attempting to continue a losing battle Ma'at Sa'Bayt leadership decimates their own forces with a series of what are thought at the time to be blunders. It is later revealed that the resistance movement in Keras was feeding information to northern forces, allowing an extreme tactical advantage. Northern forces bring the fight to the Khemish Isles, freeing those sent to labor camps and those forced into working the plantations. Mh'ra Ht'ter commits suicide as his compound outside Carcossa is stormed.[/in]
With massive casualties in Delfos, Markoser can no longer hold the southern continent. St. Oz and Myroria attack Markoser from the north, and Markoser has no choice but to surrender.
MTO is spitting mad at Rykkovia for obvious reasons, and furious with Khem and Markoser for extending themselves too far. MTO stubbornly refuses to withdraw from Funkadelia. With the other nations eliminated, the North descends on MTO. MTO leadership tears itself apart into opposing factions, and troops scatter as the north pours into Funkadelia. A new faction gains control of the fractured MTO government and promptly surrenders.
Aftermath:
MTO returns West Ogbuni to the northern alliance, but keeps some of Ogbuni because of rioting in some eastern areas that are loyal to MTO. This will allow MTO to still claim "success" in every single war ever. :D MTO slides into Civil War.
Rykkovia remains fascist.
Markoser gets their islands back, as the North never had any desire for the islands in the first place, and culturally, it wouldn't work.
[in]Khemish scientists and soldiers are brought up on war crimes, the Ma'at Sa'Bayt is forevermore a dirty word in Khemish eyes after evidence of what human rights violations they committed come out. It takes decades for the nation to recover industrially and economically.[/in]
Creation of the Glorious All-Nation Alliance for Harmony and Justice (Or whatever - the U.N. thing) and atomic/nuclear weapons are the first order of business....
why am I fighting Khem? I thought we were on team Jacob together.
Also Cefnor is too far for direct contact, I can always support you and Khem in some operations but I will most likely be attacking Australis colonies.
The Greater WarAdded some things about The True Democracy of Phoenixia. ;)
Timeline (DRAFT)
1940 or so: MTO is wrapping up assimilating another culture in an expansion (thanks Oz!). We open "discussions" with Ogbuni (which is NPC I think) and Funkadelia for resources. They refuse our totally fair and not at all exploitative deal. We just keep our troops marching west, because we never intended them to accept, heh. But we'll be propaganda'ing the "oppressive regimes" of Funkadelia and Ogbuni angle.
1941: Ma'at Sa'Bayt or "Justice Learned" Party dominates Khemish elections. Mh'ra Ht'ter is elected En'Ku on a platform demonizing n'Khem and espousing Khemish exceptionalism. Encouraged by the MTO ideal of "liberation from oppressive regimes" the Ma'at Sa'Bayt begin an intense propaganda campaign espousing fear of "terrorists and monarchists". In Lumidor a massive explosion rocks the city of Azuth which is blamed on n'Khem and utilized as an excuse for full militarization of the Khemish State.
1942: MTO rips through Ogbuni like paper mache. Markos and Delfos join Khem in jumping on board with MTO, officially supporting the "free the people" idea. Khemish ground troops begin to "liberate" Jutensa as the Khemish navy expands their influence northward while MTO keep Funkadelia's attention at Khem's back. Delfos attacks Australis.
1943: Funkadelia is putting up a hell of a fight and Marcos sends troops to help the MTO surge and Delfos. But MTO is still unable to gain ground. Khem has initial success in Jutensa and a surprise attack on Keras, earning condemnation from the north and the True Democracy of [in]Phoenixia[/in], but only Myroria sends actual forces to stop the advance. [in]The TDP decides not to belligerently send forces into battle, mostly due to its own domestic battles and revolution, but does non-belligerently send food, water, shelter, transport, and some advanced weaponry towards Myrorian and Jutensan forces.[/in]
Khemish physicists develop the first functioning nuclear weapons, testing is conducted by a coalition of MTO and Khemish scientific and military personnel the details of these meeting kept as a state secret.
1944:
Frustrated as hell by Funkadelia, the MTO and Khem go with the nuclear option at this point, eager to see the new technology put to use in their favor. They also make an alliance with Rykkova, who agrees to stab the other Northern nations in the back should they commit south.
MTO pounds Funkadelia with nukes (2 cities?). Khem nukes Rastianav and destroys a large portion of the Ozian fleet.[/b][/color] The images and newsreels are too much. Funkadelia does that speech thing he was talking about. The North dives in full bore and all nations begin to deploy forces. Delfos and Markoser continue to wage war in Australis.
Rykkova completely blindsides Eluvatar, Myroria and St. Oz in a three pronged attack.
[in]The True Democracy of Phoenixia's crumbling government decides to spend its last Unis (the currency of the TDP) on researching, developing, and transporting extremely advanced weaponry, new methods of transportation, and new ways of storing food and water. Within months, advanced auto-target automatic weapons are being sent to Jutensa, Myroria, Eluvatar, St. Oz, and Funkadelia.[/in]
Khem continues to stretch and sends special forces into Eluvatar before they can scramble troops.
Marcos increases the number of troops in Australis to assist Delfos with the subjugation and defeat of the continent. Occupied by Rykkova's surprise attacks, the colonies of Resdayna (Myroria), Vazhuvir (Oz) and Nova Letonna fall. In a secret meeting, MTO - by far the most experienced nation WRT war - warns Khem, Delfos and Markoser to take care to not stretch themselves too thin.
1945:
Khem, trying to keep gains in Jutensa and Keras, lands ground troops in Oz. Not long after, with Khem stretched thin, Jutensa wins a major victory over Khem forces, the first victory for the North and their allies. Proving the ground there too costly, Ma'at Sa'Bayt leadership commit the troops from the Jutensan front toward the northern front.
Delfos troops begin to return home, but can't pass up Priorzha (Oz) believing it to be an easy target and a desirable trading port. The mission is a total failure (Bay of Pigs, maybe?) and Delfos is lucky to escape with enough troops to sail home.
Markoser forces
MTO finally makes headway into Funkadelia, but Markoser pulls out their remaining forces steam north towards Bustos and Letonna. MTO is furious, and this will lead to an icy relationship between MTO and Markoser later in the century. MTOs headway stalls.
[in]The True Democracy of Phoenixia ends all non-belligerent aids.[/in]
1946:
Rykkova, unable to sustain fighting on three fronts and sensing the turning tide, makes a deal to stop now and withdraw in exchange for the fascist regime to stay in power. This is done in secret and enables forces to turn southward, getting the drop on Markoser.
Markoser's forces are surprised on the high seas by a massive navy of Myroria, Letonna and a few St. Oz ships. Markoser retreats.
The North, able now to focus, re-liberates Keras and expels Khem from Oz. Khem retreats to their own borders. Attempting to continue a losing battle Ma'at Sa'Bayt leadership decimates their own forces with a series of what are thought at the time to be blunders. It is later revealed that the resistance movement in Keras was feeding information to northern forces, allowing an extreme tactical advantage. Northern forces bring the fight to the Khemish Isles, freeing those sent to labor camps and those forced into working the plantations. Mh'ra Ht'ter commits suicide as his compound outside Carcossa is stormed. A day after Carcossa falls, St. Oz nukes a major Khemish city in return for Rastianav. The move is immediately condemned by Ozian allies and foes alike as the war was well in hand.
With massive casualties in the north and Delfos troops returning home to shore up for a suspected invasion, Markoser loses it's grip on the southern continent. Myrroia, Letonna and Oz continue to come at Markoser from the north, and Markoser has no choice but to surrender as forces land on the islands.
MTO is spitting mad at Rykkovia, and furious with Khem, Markoser and to some extent Delfos for extending themselves too far. Delfos signs a pact of non-aggression, enabling them to return home to lick their wounds. Phoenixia remains the only continent to never have the War touch their homeland.
MTO, somewhat meaninglessly at this point, announces that they are no longer allied with any nation.
MTO also stubbornly refuses to withdraw from Funkadelia, even as My/Let/Oz forces land on the MTO east coast. MTO leadership fractures and tears itself apart into opposing factions, and the now-leaderless troops finally scatter, mainly in part to defend the east coast as a second northern force pours into Funkadelia.
A new faction gains control of the fractured MTO government and promptly surrenders. The Greater War is over.
Aftermath:
MTO returns West Ogbuni to the northern alliance, but keeps some of Ogbuni because of rioting in some eastern areas that are loyal to MTO. This will allow MTO to still claim "success" in every single war ever. :D MTO slides into Civil War.
Rykkovia remains fascist.
Delfos becomes the first "aggressor" nation to denounce nuclear weapons.
[in]The True Democracy is in the middle of a revolution, and its people, while happy for "Team Jacob's" (please change the names, guys) eventual success, are too in the midst of their own issues to have really cared about the War. They soon become the world's (Taijitu's) first direct democracy.[/in]
Markoser gets their islands back, as the North never had any desire for the islands in the first place, and culturally, it wouldn't work.
Khemish scientists and soldiers are brought up on war crimes, the Ma'at Sa'Bayt is forevermore a dirty word in Khemish eyes after evidence of what human rights violations they committed come out. It takes decades for the nation to recover industrially and economically.
St. Oz is also charged with war crimes for the retaliatory strike on Khem late in the war.
Creation of the Glorious All-Nation Alliance for Harmony and Justice (Or whatever - the U.N. thing) and atomic/nuclear weapons are the first order of business....
Keras would have to be hit first and early by Al'Khem. There is no way the Khemish will be able to land troops in Ozia which I imagine would be more of a naval war in the islands, without having Keras in their pocket. I will also agree to being a protectorate of Ozia, but after the war and the efforts of the Free Keran Forces spearheading the war in southern Ozia becomes more independent and self-reliant. Similar to the relationship between the United States and the Phillipines before and after the Second World War. I would even accept an Ozian general leading the Keran Self-Defense Forces until the occupation.I wouldn't say it's impossible, but pretty difficult, some of the lesser islands and the mainland might fall.
I was honestly thinking lower yield weapons perhaps being used. I am fine with equivalent WMD exchange.Keras would have to be hit first and early by Al'Khem. There is no way the Khemish will be able to land troops in Ozia which I imagine would be more of a naval war in the islands, without having Keras in their pocket. I will also agree to being a protectorate of Ozia, but after the war and the efforts of the Free Keran Forces spearheading the war in southern Ozia becomes more independent and self-reliant. Similar to the relationship between the United States and the Phillipines before and after the Second World War. I would even accept an Ozian general leading the Keran Self-Defense Forces until the occupation.I wouldn't say it's impossible, but pretty difficult, some of the lesser islands and the mainland might fall.
As for the revisions that BBB made, if you're not comfortable with a large nuke dropping over one of your cities, that's okay, and we can erase the whole rastianav thing.
I think Ozia and/or Myroria should come help the Delphic Resistance against Honto near the end of the war and be present on the peace agreement that removes Honto from the Boyen region:
(http://wiki.taijitu.org/w/images/thumb/3/38/Delfos_regions.jpg/799px-Delfos_regions.jpg)
The map is at, www.map.taijitu.org:whip:
Rough draft of climate map that I'll eventually (maybe never) perfect, but it's still useful (http://map.taijitu.org/taijituclimaterough.png)
yeah I don't consider your geographic mapThe map is at, www.map.taijitu.org:whip:
Rough draft of climate map that I'll eventually (maybe never) perfect, but it's still useful (http://map.taijitu.org/taijituclimaterough.png)
tho he did modify my geography a bit when he messed around but still...
instead of the nuclear bomb dropping on Rastianav, I think a pearl-harbor type event from Rykkovaa might be a better option, seeing as St Oz would respond with a Nuclear Genocide of sorts if one of their cities were nuked. Perhaps the Southern Powers would consider it but would call it "like pouring water over an ant-mound" and the main objective was just to paralyze the Ozian naval effort.You are correct in suggesting that the destruction of a capital would be a dick move and as to the MAD-mode but isn't that what we were thinking and almost MAD event to spark the creation of our UN? I was honestly thinking an island for an island exchange between us but if that isn't how you see the Ozian people reacting then we must adjust. We could always bring it to smaller yield devices used purely against troops/ships. Then again I would be willing to have Carcossa take a nuke if you were willing to have Ozi'pol take one :P
If we chose to have some Pelagian puppet ally do it, Ozia could appropriately drop a hydrogen bomb on a capital city there. When thinking about the nuclear angle, I thought of the Ozians using that event as a huge catalyst for recruitment and new-wave of religious conservatism popping up in Ozia, ending with that drop on the capital of X-tania, and the Sankta publicly condemning the event (as well as the current Primav forced out of his position) I'd rather not ruin what I had in mind though.
I'd rather not destroy Khem's Capital or anyone's capital, because it serves as a cultural symbol of someone's nation, and I don't want to limit what someone could have as a symbol because I dropped an H-Bomb on their primary nation's capital. This is why nukes get complicated and maybe an earlier era might work better, because realistically I think Ozia and many other nations would get into MAD-mode.
Oh heck no. Ozipol and Carcossa are both old and beautiful cities, I wouldn't want them to be nuked then fucking have modernist shitty planning paved over as a replacement.We could each nuke one pretty thing of the other and have people despair over it for generations :P In all seriousness though I am unsure if there is any spot of significant importance to nuke which wouldn't also suck to have nuked.
Do we have a consensus on general direction?Let's do this! :D
If so, I can kick off the main thread. I'm thinking of the perspective of one of my General's wrapping up the previous "liberation" and the new orders from the capital. It would end with our resource demands from Ogbuni and Funkadelia for resources. And roll from there?
Any objections with getting this started? 8)
Any room for the AS in this fight?As I said earlier...kinda. The TDP is going through essentially a civil war at this period, so while they cannot send actual troops, they can and do send non-belligerent aids.
Any room for the AS in this fight?As I said earlier...kinda. The TDP is going through essentially a civil war at this period, so while they cannot send actual troops, they can and do send non-belligerent aids.
Oh, lol. :PHa. I meant my nation, the Allied States of Bustos, I type AS for short. :keke:Any room for the AS in this fight?As I said earlier...kinda. The TDP is going through essentially a civil war at this period, so while they cannot send actual troops, they can and do send non-belligerent aids.
1944: Rykkova completely blindsides Eluvatar, Myroria and St. Oz in a three pronged attack.
What is Rykkova's motivation to invade and why invade 3 countries at once?
What are Eluvataran, Myorian, and Ozian relations like pre 1944? Would Elu/Myro help Oz or vice versa if attacked?
Edit:
Occupied by Rykkova's surprise attacks, the colonies of Resdayna (Myroria), Vazhuvir (Oz) and Nova Letonna fall.
So Rykkova not only hits the mainland countries but their colonies as well? All at the same time?
Edit 2:
1945: MTO finally makes headway into Funkadelia, but Markoser pulls out their remaining forces steam north towards Bustos and Letonna.
Does Markoser attack me?
I'm debating if I would want Omsarim to actually get involved in this war. Maybe they should just sit it out and sell weapons to both sides? Who dominates the area near them?The conflict nearest you is the Khemish/Jutensan front.
Is Omsarim more likely to have its neutrality respected in this scenario, or to be occupied by one of the other nations?I'm debating if I would want Omsarim to actually get involved in this war. Maybe they should just sit it out and sell weapons to both sides? Who dominates the area near them?The conflict nearest you is the Khemish/Jutensan front.
I would think they would respect your neutrality. :)Is Omsarim more likely to have its neutrality respected in this scenario, or to be occupied by one of the other nations?I'm debating if I would want Omsarim to actually get involved in this war. Maybe they should just sit it out and sell weapons to both sides? Who dominates the area near them?The conflict nearest you is the Khemish/Jutensan front.
I would think they would respect your neutrality. :)And then of course, when the war is nearing its conclusion and it's obvious who is going to win, Omsarim joins the side of the winner and declares war on the loser (like all those countries that declared war on Germany in 1944/1945).
Neutrality would not be respected.Is Omsarim more likely to have its neutrality respected in this scenario, or to be occupied by one of the other nations?I'm debating if I would want Omsarim to actually get involved in this war. Maybe they should just sit it out and sell weapons to both sides? Who dominates the area near them?The conflict nearest you is the Khemish/Jutensan front.
Neutrality would not be respected.I guess I need to pick a side then. At the time, Omsarim is an independent and (fairly) democratic Republic if that helps.
I was hoping for an official Funkadelia response, but we can move on without it. It's pretty obvious they would deny the allegations and denounce the attack. Everyone OK for the next installment? Or should we wait for Funk? Or, since we're not actually on Funk soil yet, can we go ahead and have the Funkadelia response later?Thank you for waiting. I've been really busy between working 40 hours and also going to school. I have tomorrow and the next day off so I will probably respond one of those days. Sorry for the delay.
I was hoping for an official Funkadelia response, but we can move on without it. It's pretty obvious they would deny the allegations and denounce the attack. Everyone OK for the next installment? Or should we wait for Funk? Or, since we're not actually on Funk soil yet, can we go ahead and have the Funkadelia response later?Thank you for waiting. I've been really busy between working 40 hours and also going to school. I have tomorrow and the next day off so I will probably respond one of those days. Sorry for the delay.