Forum restriction - Govindia

[Flemingovia]

On or around 05 October, Limitless events received information that led him to believe that Govindia presented an urgent threat to regional security. As I was not online, he took the decision to restrict Govindia's access to the forum, subject to my review. On talking with Limi, and reviewing the evidence, I feel that this restriction was appropriate. Govindia has been informed of this by PM, and has the right to judicial review, which I invite him to take up.

[Gulliver]

Has his Resident nation also been telegramed?

Can you disclose the precise nature of the restrictions?

[Osamafune]

It seems wrong to punish someone without saying exactly what they've done... Unless it's in the pm I guess, but I doubt it is though...

[St Oz]

I told you people about this <_<

[Flemingovia]

PRagmia: I have TGd his nation.

For the precise details of which threads he can now see/post in, you would need to ask an admin. I did, however, make sure that he has full access to the court section so that he can post a request for a judicial appeal

Osafune: I am sorry about that, but this tends to be the nature of forum security and intel work. In this instance the source of the information Limi was working on specifically requested that their name not be reveale

[Khem]

wait what happened now? just got my computer running again and this is the first thing i see. i mean i know what sort of threat he posed, but is it possible to find out the specifics or at least get a popcorn and a front row seat for the judicial procedings?

[Solnath]

Mmhm, really comfortable to know that no reasons for restrictions have to be presented. Truly warms the heart in a good old American Way.

[Osamafune]

Flem, it's not that you didn't say who the intel came from but what that intel (the reason he is restricted) was for. He says you said the exact thing in his pm that you have in this topic, and quite frankly "he is a threat to security" doesn't cut it. How is he a threat to security?

Assuming that you're "innocent until proven guilty in the court of law" applies here, it is next to impossible for someone to defend themselves if they don't know what wrong they supposedly commited.

Oh and by the way, can someone enlighten me to how any one person can be a threat to security? I can understand if there's pending military action (ie. TRR, the Pacific) but still, things like that shouldn't be posted about on the forum. Other than that, I honestly don't know...

[Algerianbania]

It is mentioned in the code of law that the Delegate must issue a public statement.

Article II: Legal and Judicial Process

1. Should the Delegate restrict the access of a Citizen of Taijitu to the Taijitu Forum or eject their nation from the region, the Delegate shall inform them by both personal message and by telegram of their right to seek redress from the Supreme Court of Taijitu and shall issue a public statement informing that the restriction or ejection has occurred and the causes of it.

[Gulliver]

Well, this does qualify as a public statement and he has given a reason, even if it is a very broad one. Still, I would too like to be presented with some greater details, even if the source of the information cannot be mentioned. Though, if Gov does decide to take this to court I'm assuming that those will have to surface eventually anyway or he'll be acquitted.

[Osamafune]

There was no public statement when he was initially restricted a day or so ago.

[Khablan]

That's because Flem wasn't here at the time, Osafune.  Read up in his first post.  Limi did that pending Flem's review.  When Flem came on some hours later, he reviewed it and posted this announcement.

[Osamafune]

He shouldn't have been restricted without being told so, period. If Flem wasn't around to make an announcement or anything, Gov shouldn't have been restricted at that time. I assume that's one of the reasons why his first restriction was lifted.

[Algerianbania]

What Flem did the law allowed him to do.

[Gulliver]

Govindia was told, by both Personal Message and Telegram as stipulated by law, even if not immediately. He has been charged with being a potential threat to regional security, which contravenes his oath of citizenship. I see nothing grossly wrong here. If there is indeed no grounds for these charges against Gov I assume he'll choose to take this to court where the lack of evidence against him will be exposed. Though, again a clarification of how he is purportedly threatening regional security would still do some good to gain my confidence.