Forum restriction - Govindia

[Osamafune]

Flem did what the law allowed him to do... But did Limi?

Limi restricted Gov first, and as far as I know, nothing was said about this publicly. During the time between that and when Flem came on, Gov's restriction was taken away. The constitution clearly states that a public announcement is necessary, but there was none, so his restriction was taken away.

[Khablan]

Osafune, please don't jump to assumptions about what happened and why.  No one has stated here why the restriction was lifted by another admin and then reapplied.  There could be many reasons, including confusion among the admins as to what was being done and why. 

From what I can see, Limi acted legally.  If there was reason to believe that an immediate restriction was necessary for reasons of regional security, Limi was within legal bounds in doing so. 

The documents require that the Delegate make an announcement, and he did so when he arrived and reviewed the matter a few hours later.  If it had been a matter of days, I could see this complaint.  But that was not the case.

[Romanar]

I agree with Pragmia.  I'd like to know how Govinda was an immediate threat.  I understand that Flem & Limi can't reveal their sources, but just stating that he's a "threat" is a little too vague to suit me.

[Durnia]

I'm assuming this is linked to Gov's restrictions in The West Pacific by TAO.

[Myroria]

There was no annoucement on his first restriction, so I lifted it because it was illegal. As much as I disagree with the banning, it's within the law and I won't say anything about it.

[Akka-Wakka]

To put my feelings bluntly, I can see no reason that would warrant Gov's banning without even a reason.  Tell me if you will, what happened to "A Utopia for those fleeing oppression" or "The Free Region of Taijitu"?  Right now it's looking like "You say, we accept" and I really don't like it.

[Gulliver]

He's not banned...that would be illegal. He is however restricted.

And they have given a reason, that is they believe he is a threat to regional security. Whether they can back that up with evidence if Govindia brings this to Court is another matter.

[Akka-Wakka]

I don't really feel that "Threat to Regional Security" is a reason.  As far as my experience goes, that's what people say when they don't really have a reason or the reason isn't really sufficient.

I would like to be proved wrong however, so that I may have some faith in this regions workings.

[Gulliver]

Well, we'll see. Govindia has chosen to challenge this in Court and in fact I have agreed to even be his legal counsel for the case.

[Zimmerwald]

Oh good.  Maybe we can finally make ourselves useful over there.

[Eluvatar]

Hey GC we've been useful before. Like that time when the Executive and Legislative got all riled up on the Dren Egral A thing.

[Zimmerwald]

Ah, memory.

[Meridianland]

Mmhm, really comfortable to know that no reasons for restrictions have to be presented. Truly warms the heart in a good old American Way.

That's a pretty interesting statement, coming from someone who less than 2 weeks ago, without offering any shred of reasoning or anything, tried to remove a senator from her position. 

Long live the double standard, eh?

Nevertheless, I agree with you here, Sol. 

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I'd like an explanation as to how it is that Limitless has the authority to do something like this.  Limi isn't a founder and he holds no minister or deputy minister position in the region, specifically in the intel department. 

Limi is an admin of the forum, but I'd bet most of my stuff that the threat Govindia posed wasn't immediate enough to justify initially locking him off the forum because he was going to or able to crash it. If Gov had that capability, then we're all at risk from just about anyone.  (No offense, Gov.)


So...  some really important questions we should be asking about all this:

Where does Limi's authority in this regional community come from***
and
Who decides when all community protocol and procedure defer to Limi's whim?

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***He's allowed to ban on the forum without having to face formal questioning, his word about intel is taken as gospel, and he holds the keys to banning and kicking in the #taijitu irc channel

[Myroria]

I agree with Meri and Akka-Wakka, the restriction (Is that the new term for it? I'll just call it banning, because that's effectively what it is). The banning's wrong, the evidence and cause is flimsy, but the fact of the matter is he's just required to give a public statement - which he did - so the banning is legal. Now it's up to the Court to overturn the ruling or not.

[Zimmerwald]

Suit has been brought, the wheels are in motion, and we're confident we'll see evidence in an IRC trial by next weekend.  The next step is for the Delegate to appoint a prosecutor.