Baltija has been banned

[Zimmerwald]

It was originally invented in the Lex, and moved to Taijitu when its creators and developers moved here.

[Cartwrightia]

SDixie had every reason to ban Baltija.

I think he did, Amy.  You have missed the point here - it is the way in which the banning was done which sends out a very bad message, one contrary to what Taijitu seems/seemed to stand for.  Your response to questioning also does this:

If anyone has any further problems regarding this banning, either PM me (as I supported and still do support Baltija's banning), or PM SDixie.

Next time someone wants to moan about this banning not being good for the region...think twice before posting saying so, as it is the constant moaning of those people that are keeping this thing alive.

You are trying to silence a debate which has been posted in on every day since the banning occurred, pushing a major issue of founder activity and arbitrary use of power into the private realm, at the same time as demanding that it no longer be posted about.  It is a testament to the fact that most people in this region do believe in freedom of speech and open debate that people have ignored your anti-democratic demands.

[Zimmerwald]

Again, the point is completely moot.  Let me reiterate; Baltija has been informed of his rights, by OT and myself.  He doesn't seem to want to make use of them, and seems to believe he is well shot of us.

[Amy]

You are trying to silence a debate which has been posted in on every day since the banning occurred, pushing a major issue of founder activity and arbitrary use of power into the private realm, at the same time as demanding that it no longer be posted about.  It is a testament to the fact that most people in this region do believe in freedom of speech and open debate that people have ignored your anti-democratic demands.

You seem to be msunderstanding me Cart. I am not trying to silence the issue. I am merely asking that those people who keep on moaning that the banning was not good for the region quit saying so as it is that moaning that isn't good. If anyone has further questions or comments then they are free to post them.

Thanks for that G-C. You are right. Bal has been informed of his rights and does not wish to use them....doesn't that prove something?

[Bustos]

Hey a good idea is a good idea. 

As I said, I doubt he'd appeal to the ban.  At least I have a better understanding about the events surrounding the ban.  Thank you for your understanding and patience with me.

[Eluvatar]

As I have another 6 days of my theoretical hiatus (broken due to the Delegate Elections irregularities) I'm not going to state my full opinion here. Basically, I believe both sides here bear significant points, but the way I see it, we need to get some laws and a court set up ASAP before we begin actually making sure everything follows the rules-- I think it is clear that perhaps the first thing our new Delegate will do is appoint justices.

[Cartwrightia]

Sounds like a good idea Elu

[The G Rebellion]

Let me make one thing absolutely crystal clear. This action was not a Founder action. It was done as a Government action. I know that they're the same group for the time being. But, it's important to remember that Dixie was Delegate at the time.

And, G-C is correct.

[Flemingovia]

Just a thought. This thread seems to have just about covered its ground. The banning has been announced, the reasons gone over, and Baltija's right of appeal has been stressed. I cannot see much reason for the thread to remain open after five pages.

[Cartwrightia]

Where does this culture of closing down dicussion threads come from?  I cannot see much reason for closing down a thread which has ignited so much discussion, other than more cynical reasons than I would like to entertain.

[The G Rebellion]

It can remain open all you like, however, it has no real purpose any longer.

[Eluvatar]

I do not want this thread closed-- I don't like threads being closed in principle. But asking us all to move on unless something else happens is OK.

[Sovereign Dixie]

 Amy's right, I'd been discussing this with the Ministers before I ever banned him. Baltija, frankly, is more trouble than he's worth, he goes out of his way to start shit. Frankly, I would have been perfectly happy had he just kept his ass in the Lex and continued making trouble and booting people at random from IRC as he had been.

 However, I will not put up with such bullshit here. There were a few people (I won't name names) who wanted me to ban him the minute he came to Taijitu. But, I wanted to give him a clean slate. And within a week, he had fucked it up. And as far as I know, he *was* informed of his right to appeal. He is more than welcome to, and we'll give him whatever processes are granted in the constitution.

 But don't treat this or imply that this is OMGBANNINGZ... 'cause it's not. It was getting rid of a problem and a pain in the ass to a lot of people.

[Daimiaen]

When I first registered I had no idea who Baltija was....all I knew was that he seemed to be making deliberately provocative argumentative and quite offensive posts....and I for one am glad that something to deal with the situation.....

The only problem I had with the results was the apparent lack of transparency....somethng that has been dealt with fully.....

Thank you Soverign Dixie and TCM.....

[Ranholn]

sucks I cant put time into making a paper with any regularity, but I would love to get some peoples views on these things. I think people talking about bannings shoudnt be in PM it should be open, and If any... ANY AT ALL of the administrators try and say we should stop talking about it in a public fation then they are a dictatoral region and should stop hiding behind it.
I think Balt got banned for good reasons and shouls have been, I also think that the banning and evidence should be open to everyone not just a select few

I know Im not exactly a big member any mroe as I have the activity of well a dead rat, but If my opinion means anything, ever. This thread should not be closes at all. Talking and presenting evidence of bannings openly is what shows your region isnt just a founder play ground