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Vote to approve the BAN of Bio and Chem weapons.

For
4 (40%)
Against
5 (50%)
Abstain
1 (10%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: November 08, 2007, 02:32:31 PM

Author Topic: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.  (Read 3098 times)

Offline Delfos

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IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« on: November 01, 2007, 02:32:31 PM »
The current administration saw with good eyes the projects that failed to be elected.
Although not a majority's will, certain interesting parts of those projects came to attention, and we think they should be applied by election.

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Terrangar Project
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To create a ban for (...) Biological and chemical weapons.

This will only be affecting the use of such as a weapon against humans.

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 12:27:29 AM »
Against this nonsense!

Offline Cantr

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 03:27:15 PM »
Why is anyone voting against this?
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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 04:43:44 PM »
I can argue to say Biological weapons are bad, and should be banned, but Chemical weapons are fine, otherwise nations with technological supremacy couldn't use that against an enemy.

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 07:32:43 PM »
The Imperial Illuminate will vote FOR if it may retain the ability to use chemical and biological weapons as a response to chemical/biological attack.
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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2007, 05:20:07 AM »
that sounds reasonable.

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 07:39:57 AM »
Feniexia will not restrict their weaponry. While we agree that chemical and biological weapons might be inhumane, and the Feniexian military is trying to gain victory without needless usage of such, but, we also know that wars were never humane and in some cases you will have to use more unconventional weaponry.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 07:10:10 PM by Nathaniel »

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 02:32:26 PM »
Scientific advancement of a nation must be carried out to war too! If we have better chemicals than another nation why shouldn't we use them?!

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 03:39:30 PM »
Because it's inhumane?  If, fifty years from now, I invent a bomb that can obliterate the Earth, why not move to Mars, destroy the Earth, and attain final world peace with a new hegemony of only a few million people under one government?
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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2007, 07:10:45 PM »
Because then, you are involving the lives of innocent, and humans that have nothing to do with your belligerent cause. I request that a protocol is created along this bill as derogation for belligerent use of Chemical Weapons against military targets only. The effectiveness of chemical weapons against military targets is not subjective, but objective. Impact and explosive weapons, such as an Air Strike or Artillery Barrage, are highly destructive and are practically ineffective compared to Chemical Weapons, that destroy less, means less massive destruction, but have a high effectiveness, in range and proportion. Lets imagine you have a battalion of enemy infantry to attack your country and you are at war with that enemy. A conventional weapons would basically estimate the area of damage and attack it, in order to stop the enemy from attacking your country, but more than few might not be stopped, and your attack can even miss, causing unnecessary destruction, while Chemical Weapons, always allied to smart weapons, is more effective in stopping the enemy, and will cause minor destruction, and no damage to infra-structures. From this I defend that Chemical weapons are much more effective, also very dangerous if in the wrong hands, that's why we need to define the target, as military targets only.
Without this protocol, the effectiveness of an army is in question, and probably there will be more resources wasted for the same end, when, if Chemical Weapons are allowed, those will do the job fine.
Don't you agree?

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2007, 07:17:54 PM »
True, for purely military purposes, chemical weapons are just as valid as any other kind of weapon.  But we do need something regulating using them against population centers for shock and awe purposes.  If civilians are involved, we must not use chemical weapons.  Unfortunately, this will likely have the nasty side effect of armies regularly taking refuge in population centers to avoid being chemically attacked.
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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2007, 07:22:59 PM »
That's why it should be a derogation protocol for military use against military target only. Any than that is strictly forbidden. But that situation goes as any other, my Nation's military protocol mentions that we cannot bomb areas with civilians in it, so it would go either way for chemicals, since chemicals have higher area of range, and they wouldn't be proper to use in populated areas.

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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2007, 04:06:34 AM »
Most chemical weapons contaminate the surrounding area with harmful substances, and will affect the civilian population in the long term.
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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2007, 04:46:32 AM »
Can you give examples?
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Re: IPO Vote: Biological and Chemical weapons ban.
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2007, 04:59:44 AM »
Germany and France after WWI.