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Author Topic: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu  (Read 7089 times)

Offline Rabarac

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2007, 03:36:06 PM »
(OOC:  Are observer nations invited?  If not, just ignore this)

A Foreign Advocate of Rabarac named Claudius Brahms arrived seemingly unnoticed.  After all, Rabarac was an observer nation and had no vote in the assembly of the IPO.  An aide handed him a brief of the situation which he skimmed while listening to the various proposals from the assembled delegates.  Upon completion he took the opportunity to offer something, "If there is debate about the extent of the situation, the IPO can assemble and dispatch a small commission to get a more perfect knowledge of the extent, if any, of human rights violations and the assets and grievances of both parties.  If the commission recommends that the IPO mediate the conflict, then the IPO can host public, mediated debate between the two parties, and possibly offer incentives to one or both parties in what form the IPO decides would be appropriate towards a peaceful resolution where the two parties compromise for the benefit of all.  However, if you offer incentives to one nation to be better, I suppose other nations might get the idea that they can act obnoxiously and expect what amounts to a bribe from the IPO, but it still seems like a viable solution to me."  Brahms contemplated all the holes in his proposal, wondering which might be brought up first.

Edit:  Oops, Terrangar snuck a post in.  Uh, well, we could pretend this happened before Minister Yar arrived?
« Last Edit: October 17, 2007, 03:37:38 PM by Rabarac »
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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2007, 05:33:24 PM »
Talman Yar cleared his throat.
“ If I may have a word honored delegates.
Also he is here only as a observer I agree with Mr Brahms up to a point.
I would say that we ask the parties involved to the table for talks to resolve the differences. On another level of this conflict we should send observers, clearly visible as IPO members but unarmed to ascertain probable violations against human rights.
They should be given access to military prisons and civilian areas under control by the involved parties armed forces.
After they have filed a report we may make a more informed decision.
But we should NOT in my opinion offer anything except a change for a peaceful solution to this conflict for the reasons Mr. Brahms states at the end.
We may to that end provide assistance on a merely advisory level, giving a third perspective to the parties involved.
Also I think the IPO should not interfere in any conflict until we are asked to by one or more of the parties involved.
The IPO should however reserve the right to interfere on behalf of civilians and POW`s referring to their human rights.”
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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2007, 06:01:24 PM »
Myer looked at Yar with a cocked eyebrow. This man seems to not even want to try....

 "but do you not believe that we should attempt to further diplomacy in the name of preventing further violence in any conflict? i agree that our main goal should be to protect human rights and tending to those harmed by such conflicts. yet i feel if we can get a good diplomatic resolution to a conflict earlier we will have far less work in healing the wounds of war. does this idea not appeal to you?"

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2007, 06:11:56 PM »
Tai's cellphone went off, the ringtone was assigned to his secretary in Anyia.

"Hello..."

"What? They did?"
...
"...yeah, alright..."
...
"When is he coming?"
...
"Alright, I'll be sure to let him in."

Tai putted his cellphone away and continue listening to the fervor of talk in the conference room.

ooc: Yes observers are allow, but to observe only
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2007, 06:20:05 PM »
"Agreed" Yar nodded.
"But we do not yet have a charter and no voting system in this organization and we should not storm ahead without a legitimation agreed upon and given by all members.
And naturally we should look for a diplomatic solution, but it must be understood - in my opinion- that such a solution without the consent and the WILL of the involved parties will in the long run not yield anything.
It is not our will towards peace that is on the table here but the will of the involved parties.
If they go against us because they feel we forced ourselves on them than we would gain nothing.
Also we should in anyway first access the situation as good as we can before we make a decision on a weak foundation build from lacking information."
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2007, 06:23:21 PM »
Yuri: "Very well, we're doing some progresses, since it's a constitutional objective of this organization to protect human rights, which includes human lives, we must act quickly, and i will go there myself if we need to."

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2007, 06:52:17 PM »
"We should act quickly but we should not rush this either.
What we need is quite a number of observers and they should have a military or even better police background. They should be able to spot what the opposing sides  may try and hide from us.
Sometimes they will have advanced knowledge of our arrival and we can not prevent that.
So all that may lead to a torture camp or mass grave may be hints that the observers need to spot.
We need a realistic view of the intensity of this conflict.
On the diplomatic level I would like to volunteer also."
Yar took his cell phone while he waited for the delegates to react.
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2007, 07:00:42 PM »
ooc: Did you guys even read my memo? How did they turn into a talk about intervention, when it was suppose to be a talk about recognition???
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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2007, 07:03:26 PM »
"No, we just need an inside observation and a meeting, no need for any other formalities

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2007, 08:18:54 PM »
"I think Yar has a point. Maybe we should put everything to the side until a charter is in place? Besides, we came here to discuss the subject of recognizing Gelibolu. We did not come here to discuss any thing else or make up a plan to do anything. Recognizing their government is nothing Collosea intends to do any time soon."

<ooc>I did, but everyone else had been talking about this when I got here. Guess I'll try getting people back on topic... </ooc>

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2007, 10:29:35 PM »
Yuri: "New Delfos will not recognize anything before an observation that we will make if IPO doesn't do it by itself, and New Delfos will want to hear Xyraeli leader. Only then New Delfos will be able to judge wether or not to recognize the independence of Gelibolu or any other Xyraeli colony."

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2007, 11:23:50 PM »
"Collatica will not recognise any claim made by the Gelibolu rebels, nor even consider to participate in any international intervention until we have heard from an IPO commission, of which we wish some Latican experts to be members."
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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2007, 11:44:25 PM »
"I think this argument has gone on enough, I am adjourning this meeting till next week."

Tia got out from his seat to stretch.

"Now, is anyone hungry? You might want to try out Loyanese cuisine before we get transfer to Terranger headquarters..."
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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2007, 12:10:10 AM »
"Alright, I'm up for it, and I've brought Delfian Wine gift for us all. Courtesy of New Delfos Supreme Council."

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Re: IPO Meeting: Seperatism in Gelibolu
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2007, 12:46:42 AM »
The Ipods left the conference room, and Tia switched off the lights and closed the door behind him. As he and Yuri walked down the lively streets of Na Sui, he saw the faces of smiling schoolgirls and university freshmen. Their thoughts were far from the horrid wars and conflicts that were happening right now in the world. After a long day of school and work, they were just enjoying the peace and prosperity of the city, secure in the thought their families and friends were safe from bombs and bullets. It was this peace that he, a government official, had to protect. And as an Ipod, it was also up to him to allow others, not just Loyanese, to enjoy that luxury as well.     
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