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Offline Delfos

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #90 on: April 26, 2007, 06:55:00 AM »
well what i heard about a psychologist was that he created a world that oppressed him in his head. like if the society outdoors wasnt oppressing at all, green fields, happy people...you can say he had a mental disease, but this event was not just similar to the Columbine.

If the report about the mental illness is right, yes can be disturbing, he can exaggerate or even imagine things that doesnt exist, i can say this because i'v experience, my father had a similar problem, but thank god here in europe we dont have people selling guns to everyone, or else it could be much worse. Now you see this case has much to do with gun control. Im giving you something that happened where there are no guns but for hunters and policemen, and there's nothing like this. I also give you an excellent country that i and most of the portuguese like, Canada, where almost every family has a gun, pretty much like in USA, altho, the issue actually hapenned at least once, but it was not a canadian doing it, and wasnt like Columbine at all.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #91 on: April 26, 2007, 01:46:09 PM »
It doth appear to me that people doth nay understand the concept of dying.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #92 on: April 26, 2007, 03:02:54 PM »
It doth appear to me that people doth nay understand the concept of dying.

I'm not entirely sure what you meant by this, but my interpretation makes me agree with you (assuming you're saying what I think you're saying).

It always amazes me how short public attention span is and how parasitic the media can be in situations like this.  A little over a week ago 33 people got blown away by a mentally unstable individual isolated and armed by our society, and in that time we've gone from sympathetic, to voyeuristic, to outraged, to this final step where we're violently defending ourselves against the speculation and barbed comments of people from around the world, dredging up the threadbare, "If we weren't around you'd all be speaking German" arguments to counter their broad generalizations about Americans and below the belt attacks on American culture, politics, and history.

The idea being lost in all this is that 33 people died.  Obviously the number isn't big in the great scheme of things, but they died at college, a place that's supposed to be a safe haven for people to learn and grow.  Shouldn't some introspection be in order? Maybe a critical self-examination of what made this happen, where everyone thinks long and hard before they say anything, and the exchange of give and take has less to do with bending your opponent over the proverbial barrel and more with compromise?

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #93 on: April 26, 2007, 04:52:56 PM »

nicely-said, W.S., it is indeed shame that instead of looking for causes and trying to improve the situation in the US the attention is drawn to pointless debates. heh, i guess that goes to show you that despite our common recent history, there are a lot of issues to be dealt with.
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^ was that really waved around? humpf...I guess that this is a time to be critical of the gun-control system in the US. I'm sure it will be a major campaign-issue next year, not as in 2004. I can partly understand the tradition of it, through readings, of course, but as long as it stays as it is, such incidents will continue to happen, no doubt about that. On the other hand, daily violence, murder and assault is perhaps less present in reality or (also possible) just in the media, where I'm from. People over here would fail to understand the American strong stance on self-defense. Gun licensing is limited to hunters (I own three guns) and professional users ( guards, different inspection services dealing with dangerous situation and so on) and is seen as a dangerous right to be too libertarian about. I myself undergo two yearly safety-controls each year, reguarding safe-guarding of guns and ammunition, and I've been familiar with a shot-gun from the age of 7, also on a sportsman quality. A comparison would not be extremly relevant. But I think that it's time the US gave it some serious thought.
I do not trust over 50% of my co-nationals to vote and a smaller percent to take care of their children. Those are fundamental rights which are not to be limited. But owning a gun and being allowed to use it in a rather superficially-defined context, that's too much for  me. I myself would voice a lot of criticism what US policy is concerned. Gun-control is an internal US issue and needs to be dealt with accordingly.
That it sometimes looks like instead of reducing and preventing crimes from happening it allows them to take place and allow criminal tendencies to materialize in a very facile manner, that may be true. Sensational happenings (read shootings) will always bring about fiery debates when controversial issues are involved. If Americans still think and feel that owning a gun on a large social scale still tells them that they are Americans and it defines their identity, so be it, although over 2oo million guns in civilian hands sounds scarry. If we, Europeans, wonder, how on earth America is very strong about the censorship of sexual nudity and (sometimes light) profanity, but promotes the guns-culture, bloody shootings and all the baggage, that's also explainable, as back in the Old World we see things differently and nuanced according to regional identity. I'm sure that's the case even within the US.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #94 on: April 26, 2007, 07:34:00 PM »
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the concept is the same, we'r debating the the right to kill or to live or to whatever. but myro rather to insult than debate.

Like you haven't laced your RMB arguments with insults, hypocrite.

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If the prisons are that comfy, why dont you live in one? I guess Guantanamo is very comfy, they lock up guys for 5years of trial, must be very comfy.

Because homes are more comfortable than prisons, and I'm not the type to violate my principles. Secondly, Guantanamo is a political prison, not a criminal prison. I'm no fan of the US, but I can't stand people who think it's the most evil place on Earth. How many lives did the Estado Novo take away? By your logic, Portugal's government is just as much to blame for the Estado Novo than the atrocities former American administrations did.

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hold your guts before insulting anyone, only shows how ignorant you are if you cannot accept other opinions and points of view.

As if you don't obviously show that you consider anyone who's not a commiliberal a complete idiot who needs to be jailed.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #95 on: April 26, 2007, 07:52:36 PM »
Estado Novo died long time ago, we made a revolution so that we wouldnt bare those awful things you'r saying about Estado Novo. The difference between Estado Novo and the American Administration is that Estado Novo is the past and AA is the present. If you wanna compare them so much, why dont you make a revolution? as i said before, if you ellect a crappy president you can allways overthrow him. Happens anywhere else.

Estado Novo made us fight a war that we didnt want, look how opportunist this is. When we made the revolution we ended that stupid war...people all over US wanna end that stupid war too and Bush wants to vet it. GL with that. May 2008 is quite far..why not august of 2007 so that the soldiers can enjoy a bit of the summer at homes?

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #96 on: April 26, 2007, 08:06:09 PM »
You're blaming many atrocities from former American administrations on the current people, so I tried to show you what it was like when I blamed the Estado Novo's atrocity on current Portuguese.

And the next president won't withdraw all the troops from Iraq at once. That'd be stupid and bring Iraq into chaos. Even with the next president, we'll still be there a long time.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #97 on: April 26, 2007, 09:41:15 PM »
PLEASE KEEP THIS DEBATE CIVIL AND ON TOPIC. DO GO BACK TO CARTWRIGHTIA'S POST FOR A REPEATED READING. IF YOU STILL HAVEN'T GOT IT, READ IT AGAIN. IF YOU THEN HAVE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK THEM.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #99 on: April 28, 2007, 02:45:56 AM »
who said we were disrespecting? plus it's logical to do something about it instead of mourn it till next massacre.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #100 on: April 28, 2007, 02:56:37 AM »
Again, please do not change this thread into a hate thread. We are community here (albeit a very diverse one) and this IS a memorial thread.

Myro- please try to censor yourself before hurling insults, you'll find you will gain more friends by it.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2007, 11:49:00 AM »
You know, I never understood why we mourn the dead. And by saying "we," I'm just being condescending and mean "you."
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #102 on: April 28, 2007, 12:04:59 PM »
heh! mainly to show respect for the dead and to comfort the living, kind of a formalized process in use since imemorial times. and from my pov, we were not as much mourning the dead as we're not directly involved nor have been affected directly by the happenings, but were trying to discuss the topic without bringing insult, ignorance and unnecessary irony into the discussion. i guess that must be a boring concept for some.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #103 on: April 28, 2007, 02:39:07 PM »
it's not boring. Happens that 3 topics converged into this one, this is pointed as a cause or proof of something and the arguing passed over here. Im holding myself to not continue arguing here, it's not that hard really :p

anyway, i feel sorry for the victims (victims are all they who are hit with tragedy of this case)

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #104 on: April 28, 2007, 02:58:06 PM »
What I meant with my question, why is it such a tragedy?
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