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Offline Cartwrightia

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2007, 11:57:05 PM »
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And, like Ryazania said, if all guns had to be registered but they were compulsory, there'd be way less crime. And if some crazy person shot someone for no reason, it's not like it's any hard to convict him of murder (at which point he should be executed, someone who kills someone doesn't deserve to live)

You talk about the second amendment giving you protection from state tyranny, then hand the state power to kill people.  The only countries which execute as many people as the United States in a year are China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Congo.  Are you proud of that little group of equals, Garth?

The problem goes deeper than gun control.  As much as I dislike Michael Moore, he had a point when he points to the murder rate in Canada against the proportion of population which has a weapon (Much, much lower than the US in the first case, equal or higher than the US in the latter).  However, gun control would have made this a lot more difficult.  He may have had the arms illegally, but in a country which is awash with weaponry, where you can buy an automatic weapon younger than you can buy a beer, it isn't surprising that he got hold of them.

It's absurd to suggest that students should have had more access to weapons, so that they would be safer.  How about setting up a society in which you don't even have to consider going to lectures with a handgun under your jacket?
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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2007, 12:10:42 AM »
" An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. "
Robert A. Heinlein
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2007, 12:17:25 AM »
Yes, I think all:

Rapists
Murderers
Child molesters

Should be executed. So yes, I do think they've got the right thing going.
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Offline Durnia

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2007, 01:44:21 AM »
Terrible, they shall be in my prayers.
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Offline Tacolicious

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2007, 02:42:10 AM »
" An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. "
Robert A. Heinlein

Because I meet so many polite Americans.. Mind you I have met some really awesome people from America, but I've also met my share of nit-wits and asses, and the polite do not seem to be the majority.
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Offline Solnath

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2007, 07:58:11 AM »
Yes, I think all:

Rapists
Murderers
Child molesters

Should be executed. So yes, I do think they've got the right thing going.

Yes, murder the murderers! No second chances! Forget the American Dream!

Also, Heinlein, as you well should be aware of, changed his opinions from time to time and armament doesn't necessarily mean guns. Martial artists are at least here considered armed even when fighting without weapons.
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2007, 02:33:09 PM »
I agree with Myro on the rapist/murderer/molester thing. And @ Sol- Yeah, we pretty much hate that part of society stupid enough to kill someone else when it's not part of their job. Survival of the smartest, baby.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2007, 02:44:49 PM »
It shouldn't be a part of anyone's job.
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Offline The Empire

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2007, 04:10:40 PM »
And one can't give away anything one doesn't have. Thus one can't delegate killing as one doesn't have any right to take life one self.

Not morally or ethically speaking anyway, and if anyone tries anyway they have no right to complain when they themselves face the consequences.
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2007, 04:13:05 PM »
I meant killing as a job as in a SOLDIER. I didn't want to go into it because I knew it would be turned into something I didn't mean.
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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2007, 04:15:25 PM »
Soldier's jobs aren't to kill, if they are forced to kill they have already failed.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2007, 04:28:29 PM »
Soldier's jobs aren't to kill, if they are forced to kill they have already failed.

Thank you SO MUCH for saying that!  God, so many people think otherwise (very sadly including many in top military positions around the world) it makes me wonder if the human race really is insane and/or doomed after all.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2007, 05:58:22 PM »
Well, that view is why Swedish forces has such a good reputation in international operations. Most Swedish soldiers in foreign theatres are older than those of other involved nations and has a civilian background as Sweden doesn't have any professional troops. That also means that Swedish troops are less likely to be the cause of or to escalate hostile situations and also less likely to follow illegal orders. Most Swedish UN-veterans who has been forced to use their weapons has expressed feeling that to be sad failures. Some might view that as a sign of weakness but it's rather the opposite.
And those times Swedish troops has been involved in firefights they have come out on top with flying colors.

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2007, 09:20:43 PM »
" An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. "
Robert A. Heinlein

Because I meet so many polite Americans.. Mind you I have met some really awesome people from America, but I've also met my share of nit-wits and asses, and the polite do not seem to be the majority.

LOL. Most people I know (other than backwood hicks who can make a bomb out of a potato and shoe lace) don't even have guns in their house, let alone on their person. And I'm willing to bet that you visited New England or California, yes? If that is the case, please do not judge Americans by those regions .That quote also reminded me of something from a Conan novel.....hmm.....

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Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls splot, as a general thing

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Offline Simple

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Re: Columbine has been surpassed
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2007, 08:18:11 PM »
cmon we all know that on the whole Americans are ignorant, depressed, and armed to the teeth. the worlds got us pegged for who we really are. yes there are those pleasant exceptions to that fact such as intelligent young chaps like you and me, but that's not what this country is comprised of...I'm not surprised in the least that these shootings have sprung up all over. if you take a tour of this nations schools and surrounding communities, its not hard to see how something like this could happen.