Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

News: Let us become steel shields that defend the ideals of the Glorious Revolution and Taijituan democracy!

Poll

How should the delegate vote on this resolution?

For
5 (83.3%)
Against
1 (16.7%)
Abstain
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 6

Voting closed: June 07, 2012, 01:33:01 PM

Author Topic: Habeas Corpus  (Read 1547 times)

Offline Eluvatar

  • Tech Monkey
  • Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 3111
  • O_O
    • Taijitu.org
Habeas Corpus
« on: May 31, 2012, 01:33:01 PM »
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: [nation]Sanctaria[/nation]

Quote from: Habeas Corpus
Description: The General Assembly,

BELIEVING that being detained unlawfully is a serious affront to an individual's liberty and right to freedom,

CONCERNED that some nations may not have the pathway of habeas corpus to rectify such illegal detentions,

CONVINCED that habeas corpus is a legal remedy that must be available to those who are detained,

Hereby

MANDATES that any individual detained by the state, or a state actor, shall have the right to appeal the legality of that detention before an impartial judicial body, or its equivalent, by oneself or through proxy;

DEMANDS that detention shall neither be arbitrary nor shall continue if deemed illegal;

REQUIRES that nations employ the usage of time limits on detention so as to avoid the unnecessary breach of an individual's liberty and right to freedom.
                                 
(click to show/hide)

Offline Sanctaria

  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 12:28:21 AM »
Hey there!

Elu advised me to come to here (well he provided a link anyway). If you have any questions, please fire away.

Basically, this is a short resolution that deals solely with habeas corpus. Hopefully it'll put an end to the continuous to-ing and fro-ing we're seeing (mainly from one certain WA nation who shall remain nameless...).

Offline Eluvatar

  • Tech Monkey
  • Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 3111
  • O_O
    • Taijitu.org
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 03:02:51 PM »
Why do you require only that there be a limit, not any particular one?
                                 
(click to show/hide)

Offline Sanctaria

  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 12:51:18 AM »
Why do you require only that there be a limit, not any particular one?
Well I was originally advised to include such a clause for it to act as a blocker, however I was uneasy doing that. Instead, as it currently worded, it bans indefinite detention (by requiring time limits), which can only be good, while leaving the door open for future resolutions regulating time limits on detention.

It's recently been clarified that it does not stop proposals on setting time limits from coming to the floor.

Offline Delfos

  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 6975
  • Who is Aniane?
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 01:16:21 AM »
So in "soviet russia", the limit can be 45 years.

Offline Sanctaria

  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 06:35:43 AM »
So in "soviet russia", the limit can be 45 years.
Well if that's what the nation's law is, then yes. But habeas corpus has nothing to do with time limits anyway, so even if I left the clause out, the same situation would still apply.

A new resolution can still be drafted setting time limits on certain things; this wouldn't stop that from happening.

Offline McMasterdonia

  • *
  • Posts: 785
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 05:59:08 AM »
While indefinite detention may not be allowed. I'm sure 200 years detention would be legal under this particular resolution.
Ur a towel


Offline Gulliver

  • Data Dog
  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5284
  • Forsooth, do you grok my jive, me hearties?
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 07:29:01 AM »
Well the problem with the previous proposals has been that the specific time intervals given were always impractical.

Offline Sanctaria

  • *
  • Posts: 4
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2012, 11:17:51 PM »
While indefinite detention may not be allowed. I'm sure 200 years detention would be legal under this particular resolution.
X years detention would still be legal anyway regardless of whether or not I included that clause. Because strictly speaking, habeas corpus is not about limits on detention.

I included it at request. And it does not stop you or anyone else writing and passing a resolution restricting limits on detention.

Offline Eluvatar

  • Tech Monkey
  • Moderator
  • *
  • Posts: 3111
  • O_O
    • Taijitu.org
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 04:23:15 AM »
I think Sanctaria's right. Habeas Corpus is the ability to appeal detention.
                                 
(click to show/hide)

Offline Gulliver

  • Data Dog
  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5284
  • Forsooth, do you grok my jive, me hearties?
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2012, 11:43:09 PM »
This is now at a vote. I have cast a provisional vote of FOR.

Offline Gulliver

  • Data Dog
  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5284
  • Forsooth, do you grok my jive, me hearties?
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2012, 10:44:02 PM »
I'm calling my final vote of FOR.

Offline Gulliver

  • Data Dog
  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5284
  • Forsooth, do you grok my jive, me hearties?
Re: Habeas Corpus
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2012, 04:35:43 PM »
This has passed, 9,126 votes to 2,096.