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Author Topic: Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President  (Read 676 times)

Offline bigbaldben

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Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President
« on: August 14, 2015, 07:10:49 PM »
VOTE DAMMIT.

*Sorry, I try to stay neutral when doing the Daily Poll but I couldn't help myself here.

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Re: Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2015, 09:57:03 PM »
My one vote out of millions is too valuable. :)


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Re: Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2015, 10:23:48 PM »
OMG OMG OMG

Grandpa Bernie! :D

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Re: Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2015, 01:31:45 AM »
My vote is not for sale.

As a comment to Delfos, I'd like to say that there may be many reasons for people not voting. It may be laziness, indifference, or just plain ignorance, but it may also be a conscious choise because you DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE CORRUPT PARTIES CONTENDING!

A true democracy must always have the optional vote; none of the above, so you can show your fellow citoyens that you care and that you want something different from the old menu. A large number of voters chosing "none of the above" would also send a strong message to politicians and society that people want change.
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Re: Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2015, 01:54:25 AM »
My vote is not for sale.

As a comment to Delfos, I'd like to say that there may be many reasons for people not voting. It may be laziness, indifference, or just plain ignorance, but it may also be a conscious choise because you DON'T LIKE ANY OF THE CORRUPT PARTIES CONTENDING!

A true democracy must always have the optional vote; none of the above, so you can show your fellow citoyens that you care and that you want something different from the old menu. A large number of voters chosing "none of the above" would also send a strong message to politicians and society that people want change.

calling every party corrupt is a common misconception, specially when there's parties that have never held any power to be corrupted anyway, so it's very unlikely all parties are corrupt, there's always some choice you can vote on, even if you vote blank is a better choice than not voting.

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Re: Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2015, 02:14:20 AM »
calling every party corrupt is a common misconception, specially when there's parties that have never held any power to be corrupted anyway, so it's very unlikely all parties are corrupt, there's always some choice you can vote on, even if you vote blank is a better choice than not voting.
I do not call every party corrupt, it was an example of a situation where you might have the moral obligation of not voting.
I live in Sweden where all parties are corrupt, which makes it valid in that country. Other nations differ.
A blank vote is also an option in a nation that counts blank votes and publish them in the final result. Many nations don't, Sweden for instance, so your blank vote is just as wasted as if you stayed at home. Which was the reason I mentioned the "none of the above" vote. In practice a blank vote, but one that states more clearly the voter's wish to get rid of the political nomenclatura of the ruling elite.
Then, of course you have the states with barriers against small parties, where you have to have 4 or 5 % of the vote to get any seat at all. Also a pretty good way of ensuring that new political alternatives outside of the establishmant is kept out of parliament, since very few voters will risk "throwing away" a vote on a party that is so small "it will never get into parliament anyway".
When things are narrowed down to a vote for precidency, there are very few candidates to choose from. In European type of nations, perhaps thre or even four candidates may have a theoretical chance, but in nations like the US only two candidates will have a chance at the final run. How many Americans does not want any of the two final runners in a given year?
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Re: Daily Poll: What Would It Take: Voting For President
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2015, 02:27:44 AM »
Then, of course you have the states with barriers against small parties, where you have to have 4 or 5 % of the vote to get any seat at all. Also a pretty good way of ensuring that new political alternatives outside of the establishmant is kept out of parliament, since very few voters will risk "throwing away" a vote on a party that is so small "it will never get into parliament anyway".

You can only achieve representation on 5% if you add more politicians to the elected universe, for instance, if you can't elect with 5% but with 6% that means you have like 16 seats, if you want to elect with 3% then you need to have 32 seats, more people means more representation of more ideas, unfortunately most people think you need less politicians because they are all corrupt, the less politicians to elect the less diversity of choice or elected you will end up with, it's a never-ending cycle, they are all corrupt, less members, less choice, more easily dominated by two party (the two party system like the US), the more influenced by money, the more corrupt, bla bla bla...

Here the legislative elections are like this, pay attention to d'Hondt method:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_legislative_election,_2015#Electoral_system