The Tomato Treaty

[Eluvatar]

Of some perhaps amusing relevance is the East Pacific's current regional flag:

[Funkadelia]

Is that some sort of apology? Standing in solidarity with the people they just victimized?

[Eluvatar]

Is that some sort of apology? Standing in solidarity with the people they just victimized?

They apologized earlier to Ravania, Tangaroa, West-Flanders, and probably others. This is part of that.

[Gulliver]

Call it what it is Eluvatar. First they invade, now they appropriate their culture. When will the injustices end?

But in all seriousness, I am like many other people in this thread very upset that they would do something like this within 24 hours of finalizing a draft of the treaty, and would also like to see the discussion tabled for at least a few weeks.

[Of The US]

Perhaps we can go back to working out the Tomato Learning Center or whatever Delfos wanted to call it?

[Delfos]

for kids who can't read good. Research Center

[Allama]

But in all seriousness, I am like many other people in this thread very upset that they would do something like this within 24 hours of finalizing a draft of the treaty, and would also like to see the discussion tabled for at least a few weeks.

Tabling the discussion for a few weeks before voting seems the most prudent move to me as well. Though I'm all for forgiving repentant people after they fuck up (god knows I've needed forgiveness myself), they must prove that they can rise above their own mistake and learn from it, grow from it, and behave more responsibly to be considered a reliable ally.

That being said, I also don't want us to burn a bridge unnecessarily as happened over the Tomato Incident.

Let's note how they act going forward. I hope to see some earnest repentance once the facts settle in, which does not seem in abundance at this time. Violating a treaty's terms immediately before signing it is not acceptable, no matter how they attempt to excuse it. If the vote were held now I'd have to vote No on principle.

[Myroria]

Since we tabled this treaty, the East Pacific has cut ties with NPO - one of its oldest allies - over its support of the Lazarus coup. I think this is an excellent display of respect for sovereignty and learning from mistakes in Belgium. In addition, I think with these new developments it's more important than ever for GCRs and UCRs to have strong alliances with each other.

I think we should reconsider signing this treaty.

[Cormac]

Since we tabled this treaty, the East Pacific has cut ties with NPO - one of its oldest allies - over its support of the Lazarus coup. I think this is an excellent display of respect for sovereignty and learning from mistakes in Belgium. In addition, I think with these new developments it's more important than ever for GCRs and UCRs to have strong alliances with each other.

I think we should reconsider signing this treaty.

I agree with your perspective here, and I would add that in light of Lazarus, the very brief invasion of Belgium, in which the WFE didn't even get changed and no harm besides infringement of sovereignty was done to the region, now seems like small potatoes. Democratic regions that respect other regions' sovereignty, even if they've made some mistakes, need to band together against the imperialist NPO and its allies.

So, I would support ratification of this treaty at this time.

[Khem]

Vote!

[Allama]

Makes good sense to me.

Seconding the motion to vote

[Eluvatar]

Do we want to maybe tell TEP we're doing that? XD

[Allama]

Do we want to maybe tell TEP we're doing that? XD

Probably a wise move.   

[Myroria]

I have just telegrammed Ramaeus about this.

[Cormac]

I have just telegrammed Ramaeus about this.

I will wait to hear back on their response before moving this to vote.