Shortening nomination/election periods

[Khem]

I like the 5-5 idea the most for length.

[BaseballPlayer]

If we accept the premise that only the more active players will apply to nominations (and surely should be the ones), then shortening the nomination period to less days than a week (for those who can't come to the forum too often), sure I can support that, but the vote has to go for a week, otherwise you're excluding people that can't come every other day.

so I'll compromise for a 3 (noms) - 7 (vote), it's still 10 days.

I'd like to hear those that agreed with the issue of exclusion and were leaning to a 7-7 period, do you agree with this compromise?

I like this the most as it means only the most active will most likely nominate themselves as they get on during that timespan compared to not as active people

[Lindisfarne]

If we accept the premise that only the more active players will apply to nominations (and surely should be the ones), then shortening the nomination period to less days than a week (for those who can't come to the forum too often), sure I can support that, but the vote has to go for a week, otherwise you're excluding people that can't come every other day.

so I'll compromise for a 3 (noms) - 7 (vote), it's still 10 days.

I'd like to hear those that agreed with the issue of exclusion and were leaning to a 7-7 period, do you agree with this compromise?

Fine, I can live with this compromise, but I can't really see what the hurry is. Most important is the voting period which, in my opinion, MUST be 7 days. Allama wrote:

Could we do something like 5 days for nominations, 5 days for voting UNLESS such a voting period would not include a Saturday and/or Sunday? Then in the aforementioned special case we could extend the voting period, either by 1 day or 2, to meet the requirement to include at least one weekend day.

"At least one weekend day" is not good enough. As I previously stated: I work tuesday-saturday. It means that if the vote last 5days & one weekend-day, and the vote is on from tuesday, it would finish on saturday, so if I log on sunday I will find that the voting period is gone! Minimum would have to be: At least 5 days including saturday AND sunday. However, someone else might be on during other days except weekends, so I still feel 7 days are minimum.

[AwesomeSaucer]

Here's an amendment.

1. Legislative Procedure
1. Any citizen of Taijitu may introduce a proposal before the Ecclesia. A proposal will go to vote only after a mandatory consideration period of three days.
2. Following the mandatory consideration period, a proposal will proceed to vote after a motion to vote has been made by any citizen and seconded by any additional citizen.
3. Any proposal at vote before the Ecclesia will remain at vote for five days.
4. Citizens may vote Aye, in favor of a proposal; Nay, against a proposal; or Abstain, indicating a vote neither in favor of nor against the proposal but that one has participated in the vote.
5. Unless otherwise mandated by law, all votes of the Ecclesia will be determined by simple majority vote. The result of any vote will be determined by taking into account only citizens who have voted and discounting abstentions cast in the vote.
6. The option for which a citizen has voted on any proposal will be publicly visible and citizens will be permitted to change their votes while voting is ongoing.

2. Election Procedure
1. The election period for any elected office will begin with a ten day period for nominations and declarations of candidacy, followed by a five day period for voting.
1. The election period for any elected office will begin with a five day period for nominations and declarations of candidacy, followed by a five day period for voting.
2. An election period will begin fifteen days prior to the expiration of an elected official's term or as soon as practical after an elected office is vacated.
2. An election period will begin ten days prior to the expiration of an elected official's term or as soon as practical after an elected office is vacated.
3. Citizens may vote for one eligible candidate who has submitted candidacy, may vote to re-open nominations, or may abstain from voting. Abstentions will count only toward participation in an election but will not count for or against a majority.
4. If no candidate receives a simple majority of votes cast in an election, discounting abstentions, a run-off election will be conducted. If the option to re-open nominations receives a plurality of votes, nominations will be re-opened for five more days.
5. Should an election period extend beyond expiration of an elected official's term, the incumbent elected official will remain in office until the election period has concluded.
6. Elections for Citizen-Initiator will be administered by the Citizen-Delegate. Elections for all other elected offices will be administered by the Citizen-Initiator.
7. In the event that any designated election administrator is standing for office in the election they are designated to administer or the office of the election administrator is vacant, administration of that election will pass to the citizen who has maintained citizenship for the longest continuous period and who is available to serve as election administrator.
8. The candidate for whom a citizen has voted in any election will not be publicly visible and citizens will be permitted to change their votes while voting is ongoing.

[Lindisfarne]

Here's another amendment:

1. Legislative Procedure
1. Any citizen of Taijitu may introduce a proposal before the Ecclesia. A proposal will go to vote only after a mandatory consideration period of three days.
2. Following the mandatory consideration period, a proposal will proceed to vote after a motion to vote has been made by any citizen and seconded by any additional citizen.
3. Any proposal at vote before the Ecclesia will remain at vote for five days.
4. Citizens may vote Aye, in favor of a proposal; Nay, against a proposal; or Abstain, indicating a vote neither in favor of nor against the proposal but that one has participated in the vote.
5. Unless otherwise mandated by law, all votes of the Ecclesia will be determined by simple majority vote. The result of any vote will be determined by taking into account only citizens who have voted and discounting abstentions cast in the vote.
6. The option for which a citizen has voted on any proposal will be publicly visible and citizens will be permitted to change their votes while voting is ongoing.

2. Election Procedure
1. The election period for any elected office will begin with a ten day period for nominations and declarations of candidacy, followed by a five day period for voting.
1. The election period for any elected office will begin with a three day period for nominations and declarations of candidacy, followed by a seven day period for voting.
2. An election period will begin fifteen days prior to the expiration of an elected official's term or as soon as practical after an elected office is vacated.
2. An election period will begin ten days prior to the expiration of an elected official's term or as soon as practical after an elected office is vacated.
3. Citizens may vote for one eligible candidate who has submitted candidacy, may vote to re-open nominations, or may abstain from voting. Abstentions will count only toward participation in an election but will not count for or against a majority.
4. If no candidate receives a simple majority of votes cast in an election, discounting abstentions, a run-off election will be conducted. If the option to re-open nominations receives a plurality of votes, nominations will be re-opened for five more days.
5. Should an election period extend beyond expiration of an elected official's term, the incumbent elected official will remain in office until the election period has concluded.
6. Elections for Citizen-Initiator will be administered by the Citizen-Delegate. Elections for all other elected offices will be administered by the Citizen-Initiator.
7. In the event that any designated election administrator is standing for office in the election they are designated to administer or the office of the election administrator is vacant, administration of that election will pass to the citizen who has maintained citizenship for the longest continuous period and who is available to serve as election administrator.
8. The candidate for whom a citizen has voted in any election will not be publicly visible and citizens will be permitted to change their votes while voting is ongoing.

So there!

[Delfos]

I'm with the 3 days for nominations and 7 for voting.

We can afford being exclusive with the nominations, and people that REALLY want the job need to prepare and campaign before-hand, that's how it works anyway, that way you have 3 days to reconsider going forward or not, people that really want the job will advance in the 1st day anyway, it's a better dynamic to the campaign that people are invited to run beforehand or have 3 days to show they're actually active enough to take the responsibility.

We cannot afford exclusion for our "oh so vast" ecclesia. 7 days is sensible (am I using the right word?), it allows all kinds of people to participate. As Lindisfarne pointed out, there's people who don't have time to check the forums that often, what usually happens is that people are told to vote through various means and purposes (yes, that's what I mean), 7 days allows less rushing and people can actually read the candidate's campaigns instead of taking 2min to vote.

This is STILL 10 days for the process and is far more sensible than only 5 days voting.

[Bustos]

3 and 7 sounds good to me.  Seems to be the best solution.

[AwesomeSaucer]

I'm with the 3 days for nominations and 7 for voting.

We can afford being exclusive with the nominations, and people that REALLY want the job need to prepare and campaign before-hand, that's how it works anyway, that way you have 3 days to reconsider going forward or not, people that really want the job will advance in the 1st day anyway, it's a better dynamic to the campaign that people are invited to run beforehand or have 3 days to show they're actually active enough to take the responsibility.

We cannot afford exclusion for our "oh so vast" ecclesia. 7 days is sensible (am I using the right word?), it allows all kinds of people to participate. As Lindisfarne pointed out, there's people who don't have time to check the forums that often, what usually happens is that people are told to vote through various means and purposes (yes, that's what I mean), 7 days allows less rushing and people can actually read the candidate's campaigns instead of taking 2min to vote.

This is STILL 10 days for the process and is far more sensible than only 5 days voting.

Actually, you make a point.  My champaign speech was in fact written far before the election started, so I can give you that.

[Khem]

I believe we should put both options to a vote.

[Myroria]

I agree with Khem, though personally I prefer 3 and 7.

[Allama]

I believe we should put both options to a vote.

I agree with Khem, though personally I prefer 3 and 7.

Ditto, seconding the motion to vote

[Cormac]

I'll figure out the logistics of moving these to vote tomorrow.