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Author Topic: Let's deal with the inactivity!  (Read 9321 times)

Offline Dyr Nasad

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2015, 11:29:46 PM »
If you wanted the exact legal definitions of that position are below. As can be seen from actually reading this the only actual power granted is to appoint Citizen-Guides, hell the social program aspect is a responsibility not even a power.
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Yes, why don't we truly revert to this definition of Liaison?  Nowhere here does it say that you can run on a platform; only ideas!
I do not generally get lost several times in a thread :P
How have we moved away from the definition?
Could a collection of ideas not be termed a Platform?

Offline Red Mones

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2015, 05:41:11 PM »
And how are BBB's words related to Oz's question?
Actually, I knew why they were related, but then I forgot, and now even I don't know how they're related really. Does that ever happen to you? OMG PLEASE TELL ME I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE!

I think people are always naturally inclined to blame the ones in power, even if they don't have real power; like Oz said.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2015, 05:44:44 PM »
So eloquently put, I agree that fossils fear change in general, and they keep saying...oh but you can do everything you want because DEMOCRACY! Well I've seen this "democracy" resurrect inactive players just to impede "new" people to take power, right after the election all those resurrected returned to the grave. So many skeletons in the closet...just so many...

How about some facts to back up your rhetoric? Name one thing a fossil has done to impede new people getting into positions of "power".

I've asked you this question repeatedly and have yet to receive a response. Just one thing, that's all I'm asking. If you can point to something older members are actually doing to put a roadblock in front of new people, I'll back you up. Until then, I'm just gonna keep calling bullshit.

Offline Red Mones

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2015, 05:48:04 PM »
Until then, I'm just gonna keep calling bullshit.
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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2015, 06:07:44 PM »
Until then, I'm just gonna keep calling bullshit.
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Offline Red Mones

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2015, 06:12:42 PM »
OMG ALL OF THEM!

Edit: Actually, I don't really care for the first one.

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2015, 08:36:13 PM »
Greater Canada and Osamafune's campaign in 2007 or 2008

http://forum.taijitu.org/elections-42/delegate-elections-february-2008-voting/ « probably this one, but I was pretty sure it was done by poll so it's likely one earlier.

They were leading until the last day, all them new and active roleplayers were together for this guys (except for the "fossil" bunch), two thirds of the active people, it was in the bag, but then people that had been inactive for months voted, then went back to being inactive. You can say all you want, I'll interpret this in only one way, you may interpret it in another if you like.

If you want we can talk about other skeletons but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't help "deal with the inactivity".

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2015, 09:18:53 PM »
We're talking about things as they stand currently, not events that occurred under a completely different political/electoral system. I thought that was obvious but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't realize that was what I meant as I didn't provide a precise timeline.

To be clear: you brought up fossils coming back when the region was reborn last year and trying to keep all the power for ourselves. The current Ecclesia-based system is what you have been claiming is a farce democracy so that's what I'm asking about. What specific behaviors are happening now or have happened at any point since the Glorious Revolution that you find objectionable?

Offline Myroria

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2015, 09:37:20 PM »
I don't think any of the "fossils" are begging you to let them stay around. If anyone doesn't feel welcome they're not going to waste their time here.
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Offline Eluvatar

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2015, 09:39:17 PM »
While yes some people were canvassed to vote for Sovereign Dixie, (including myself, who declined) quite possibly letting him beat Allama 17 votes to 15, I just want to point out that SD beat Osafune 21 to 10, and indeed Allama beat Osafune 26 to 6.

If anyone was beaten through summoning fossils, it was Allama, not Osafune, in that election.

Regardless, Allama's quite right that that was seven years ago and under a completely different system with a very different group of people.
                                 
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Offline bigbaldben

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2015, 09:40:19 PM »
I don't think any of the "fossils" are begging you to let them stay around. If anyone doesn't feel welcome they're not going to waste their time here.

I think this would be horrible, and I hope no one is implying this is an end goal.   :(

Offline Delfos

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2015, 04:04:07 AM »
Regarding that particular election, again I'm not sure if that was the one, but even SD says he was asked to run ~he kinda said~ "Every time you guys need me to step in and take over Taijitu I'm completely free to do as I've been summoned in the past".

The rest, yeah, you're mixing up the many skeletons I might have said here or in the past, when I said there were many skeletons, I didn't mean "just now". Those are different timelines / regimes, yes. I do think that some of the way it was done was to keep the power in the "family". Many of the times disregarding the difference of opinion and having closed discussions, like the bills for the constitution right before Ecclesia, where things got moved to vote before I (or anyone besides "that" group) had the chance to finish my proposals, I mentioned the last version got to go to vote not even a full day away, I mentioned in open IRC channel I was reading a drafting a revision proposal from my notes and previous proposals and suddenly, while I was drafting, the bill was moved to vote, ah...dick move. Tell me otherwise if you want, I'll always see it another way.

Regarding Ecclesia-era (contemporary) I have always argued that there was too much power transfer to offices and little offices and sub-comission offices and more and more, that Ecclesia was losing power to unlock the participative potential our creative members had, I always argued those were mere titles, pure status quo, which is completely the opposite of the notion of a participative democracy where everyone is equal, horizontal structure, etc. I've always argued that foreign policy couldn't be driven by a single person of delegated by such, those are issues everyone should discuss. If you want to go back to all those discussions, we're having them again right now, and I'm not the one talking about those issues, and apparently we as a collective are realizing how much bullshit those "offices" were. I'm pretty happy we're having this discussions and maybe something can come up from them. Learning from past mistakes is pretty important for a collective.

We have a quite recent case where "fossils" stepped in to direct a process and were forced to compromise in paper, but forced their views in practice - and this was in the Ecclesia era. Our GP strategy is complete bullshit, we were all "regionalism" and "sovereigntists" which many wanted to be a middle stance, neither defender nor raider, probably both to whatever whim. Yet it was always pushed to "Defenderism", still in paper is called "Sovereigntism" but whoever was in charge of the militia made sure we were with "their team" of Defenders. Sovereign my ass.

It's a normal reaction, in group dynamics it's called collective narcissism, and all the "inter-group aggression" and "charisma following" is all part of a collective of weak individuals who cannot lead themselves (I'm kinda pushing interpretation one way but this is studied, go search). We are here, now, trying to make this a "direct" - although I much rather - Participative Democracy, I'm pretty sure we can let the the past be water under the bridge.

There must be another way. We just have to imagine it ;)

Offline Funkadelia

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #57 on: September 29, 2015, 05:33:19 AM »
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Our GP strategy is complete bullshit, we were all "regionalism" and "sovereigntists" which many wanted to be a middle stance, neither defender nor raider, probably both to whatever whim. Yet it was always pushed to "Defenderism", still in paper is called "Sovereigntism" but whoever was in charge of the militia made sure we were with "their team" of Defenders. Sovereign my ass.

This shows me you're not familiar with Sovereigntism.

Also it seems you're not aware that Taijitu just raided [region]The Greater German Reich[/region] and Lone Wolves United.

We hold a pretty consistent foreign policy that is definitely defender leaning but also advocates the other side of the coin for aggressors.

The rest of that doesn't really make sense. I don't know what you mean by "their team." There is only one team, and we all work together to help stop aggression.
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #58 on: September 29, 2015, 05:41:23 AM »
I think all of us fossils should pack up and let the new blood do what they want with Taijitu. I'm sure that without the endlessly-growing group of people opposed to whatever it is Delfos is proposing killing democracy this region would prosper and grow beyond all our wildest dreams.
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Re: Let's deal with the inactivity!
« Reply #59 on: September 29, 2015, 10:27:52 AM »