Let's deal with the inactivity!

[Red Mones]

First, the rant:

The Citizen-Delegate (Allama) has been inactive lately. We currently have no acting Citizen-Initiator (Eluvatar's corrupt reign has ended). We're not bringing any WA proposals to a vote because of this. Not only that but we have 13 citizenship applications dating all the way back to August 22, that still haven't been accepted yet. This is a problem. It tells people not to get involved in the region because there is no activity here. One time Myroria accepted some applications because Cormac was inactive. This gave me an idea.

Second, The proposal:

There are two parts to this bill. First, the bill will make the current Citizen-Delegate acting Citizen-Initiator until he/she returns, or until the next election. Second, in case the C-D is inactive we will elect a sort of substitute Citizen-Delegate ( I guess we just call him/her Vice Citizen-Delegate) who will be acting C-D until he/she returns, or until the next election.

I've never written a bill before, so if anyone's interested they can help. Also since I've never written a bill before I want opinions, discussions, heated debates, the whole nine yards!

[AwesomeSaucer]

Dude, we posted our inactivity proposals at almost the exact same time.  Lol

[Red Mones]

Although it would be kind of silly to have a vice C-D just for when the Citizen-Delegate is inactive.

[Bustos]

so hysitelroal

[Allama]

The Citizen-Delegate (Allama) has been inactive lately. We currently have no acting Citizen-Initiator (Eluvatar's corrupt reign has ended). We're not bringing any WA proposals to a vote because of this.

First, I've not been super active lately, this much is true. I've been responding to all Embassy requests and hanging out on IRC a lot during the day but have otherwise not been up to much as C-D. Very little has come up for me to handle. One of the things I have been doing voluntarily outside of my duties is bringing things to vote in the Ecclesia in Eluvatar's absence. As I've no idea what sort of security checks are normally performed, I've left Citizenry applications alone, hoping Elu would return or that someone more knowledgable in that arena would jump in to help.

Second, I started putting WA proposals up for vote because I thought it would be more democratic to involve the Citizenry in the decision. I stopped doing so because they've recently been passing a lot of junk legislation that immediately gets repealed. Heck, I've stopped even looking at them because it seems like a huge waste of time. I didn't know people actually gave a shit, especially since people in IRC have often said that they don't care about the WA any more. Now that I've been made aware that some Citizens are actually still interested, I'll start posting the polls again. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

For the record, however, it's not actually an official part of the job, just something I personally thought would be nice to do. I'm not "inactive" or neglecting my duties just because I've not been polling WA proposals.

Third, a Vice Citizen-Delegate is a good idea. Supported!

[Dyr Nasad]

Basically what Allama said

If there is interest in a Vice Delegate role, I suggest making a thread specifically for that idea

[Red Mones]

I'm not in the WA, so I don't care what happens there either, but it just seems like the Ecclesia only passes these "acts" that don't seem to do anything. It's just something else to vote on really. I, personally, would make it a part of the job. I mean, the whole point of democracy is voting, right? Technically, it should really be the Initiator's job to do the WA proposals though, but then what does the Delegate do? He/She might as well be named Citizen-Embassy-Accepter. And lastly, I'm repeating my previous point, which is, what other things will a Vice-Delegate do? It's silly to have that office just for when the Delegate is inactive.

[Allama]

And lastly, I'm repeating my previous point, which is, what other things will a Vice-Delegate do? It's silly to have that office just for when the Delegate is inactive.

It's not strictly necessary but we've had Delegates disappear before. Waiting for a whole nomination/election cycle to pass without anyone to fill the position can be a bit frustrating. We actually did have a Vice Delegate before the Glorious Revolution and they had to take over more than once (if I recall correctly, which is not guaranteed: my memory is atrocious).

Perhaps we could elect an officer who's basically a general understudy for all other elected positions. That way we have a backup in case someone goes *poof* from any role. Not a position in which you'd expect to have regular responsibility but one where you're ready to go in the rare case that you're needed. It might even be good for newer Citizens who want to learn the ropes but aren't quite ready/knowledgable enough to commit to a full-time gig.

Just a thought. ^_^

[Red Mones]

Perhaps we could elect an officer who's basically a general understudy for all other elected positions. That way we have a backup in case someone goes *poof* from any role. Not a position in which you'd expect to have regular responsibility but one where you're ready to go in the rare case that you're needed. It might even be good for newer Citizens who want to learn the ropes but aren't quite ready/knowledgable enough to commit to a full-time gig.

Just a thought. ^_^

This is a good idea, except I thought the exact opposite, where a veteran would take that role who knew almost everything about every office he'd need to fill in for.

[Allama]

Also a good plan! I'd be happy either way.

[Red Mones]

Also a good plan! I'd be happy either way.

By the way, it's fun debating with you! 

[Allama]

You too! It's nice when people can raise issues or complaints without resorting to nastiness, even if we disagree on how to solve a problem. You're good at actual reasoned discourse and I appreciate it! 

[Red Mones]

Thanks! 

[bigbaldben]

You too! It's nice when people can raise issues or complaints without resorting to nastiness, even if we disagree on how to solve a problem. You're good at actual reasoned discourse and I appreciate it! 

OMG such rational sensibility.

You do not belong on the internet!

[Red Mones]

OMG such rational sensibility.

You do not belong on the internet!

OMG such rational sensibility.

You do not belong on the internet!