Judiciary

[Wast]

Has a decision been made yet on this matter? I think it's worth settling now, because it would be extraordinarily unpleasant to have to improvise justice if a serious case arises.

[Myroria]

I would like to move that we establish the position of Citizen-Mediator, the holder(s) of which will be determined by an Ecclesia vote when an official dispute is submitted to said body. It shall be the responsibility of the Citizen-Mediator to help the two aggrieved parties reach an agreement.

In addition, I would like to move that the Ecclesia reserves the practice of ostracism to itself, wherein the assembled citizens shall vote by a two-thirds majority to expel a person from the region.

[Allama]

Thanks for bringing this back up, Wast. It really would be awful to improvise this stuff in the midst of an already-boiling situation.

I would like to move that we establish the position of Citizen-Mediator, the holder(s) of which will be determined by an Ecclesia vote when an official dispute is submitted to said body. It shall be the responsibility of the Citizen-Mediator to help the two aggrieved parties reach an agreement.

SECONDED!

In addition, I would like to move that the Ecclesia reserves the practice of ostracism to itself, wherein the assembled citizens shall vote by a two-thirds majority to expel a person from the region.

Also seconded.

[McMasterdonia]

I agree with what Mryo said

[Myroria]

Since we really should have actual texts to our laws, if it pleases the Ecclesia I ask we vote on this differently worded proposal:

The Judiciary Act

1. The Citizens of Taijitu establish the position of Citizen-Mediator.
    a. The Citizen-Mediator shall be elected by the Ecclesia on an interim basis when a formal complaint against another Citizen is lodged with the aforementioned body.
    b. The Citizen-Mediator shall be responsible for mediation with the aggrieved parties.
2. The Citizens of Taijitu shall reserve the process of ostracism to their legislature, the Ecclesia.
    a. An ostracism vote shall be undertaken when a Citizen proposes it against another Citizen, and recieves at least two seconds.
    b. Ostracism shall expel a nation/personage from Taijitu.
    c. An ostracism vote shall be passed only with at least a two-thirds majority.

Hail Taijitu! Hail the Ecclesia! Hail the Glorious Revolution!

I propose we vote on one and two separately but, if they both pass, categorize them under the same act for bookkeeping purposes.

[Allama]

This small portion of The Ecclesia is pleased to vote on the newly-formally-worded legislation.

[Delfos]

I propose to remove the text after 2.c. "Hail Taijitu! Hail the Ecclesia! Hail the Glorious Revolution!".

[Wast]

I agree with what has been said, and will pretend that I actually did something useful instead of just bumping the thread.

[Khem]

I agree with what has been said, and will pretend that I actually did something useful instead of just bumping the thread.

[The Church of Satan]

There needs to be some restrictions on how often these ostracism votes can occur.

[Allama]

What restrictions do you propose, CoS?

[Bustos]

There needs to be some restrictions on how often these ostracism votes can occur.

THIS!

[The Church of Satan]

Well, in order to prevent abuse, something along the lines of "No citizen or resident of Taijitu shall be the subject of an ostracism vote consecutively in any 1 month duration." Although cutting it down to 2 weeks might be fine as well.

Abuse of this vote could result in the systematic purge of the legitimate government of Taijitu.

[Allama]

Well, in order to prevent abuse, something along the lines of "No citizen or resident of Taijitu shall be the subject of an ostracism vote consecutively in any 1 month duration." Although cutting it down to 2 weeks might be fine as well.

I'm very much in favor of this! A month sounds appropriate. How about this wording?

"No Citizen of Taijitu shall be the subject of multiple ostracism votes within a single 30-day period."

Hmm, now I have thought about amending that in case someone does something truly awful right after failing to be ostracized. Maybe we could allow a second vote within that 30-day period if 10 Citizens support it or something equally high and hard to meet. That way we can still kick out the truly insufferable assholes but no one less harmful to our community than certain exiled members of the past should ever get enough vote support to get caught up in it. Opinions? Am I over-thinking this?


This, however, is not something I believe we need to worry about:

Abuse of this vote could result in the systematic purge of the legitimate government of Taijitu.

Let's assume enough Citizens want to change who is appointed to certain positions (or switch government styles entirely) that they could push through a number of individual ostracism votes to empty the current appointees. Wouldn't it be easier for them to simply propose legislation changing the government legitimately from within in one fell swoop?

[Bustos]

This wouldn't simply empty the seats but ban/eject/kick from the region/forums those who once occupied those seats.  A much more powerful action, imho.