Space Colonization

[Myroria]

Sorry, I misread the article. It was meant to be initiated in the '60s, not the '50s. In any case, that's still not future tech.
Wikipedia article
IslandOne.org
The Case for Orion - Space Daily

[Ranholn]

did you read the artical, they never actually built it making it still fall under theoretical tech, thus still needing approval.
alot of things were supposed to be built at many times and never were

[Myroria]

Duh, I said the project was cancelled but they already finished most small scale testing. What, you wanted them to explode thousands of nukes at once?

[Ranholn]

small scale testing means it was a perfect working model, in engeneering that means they are still in R&D, that means you got another tech that needs to be put up to vote

[Myroria]

In the 1954 Operation Castle nuclear test series at Bikini Atoll, a crucial experiment by Lew Allen proved that nuclear explosives could be used for propulsion. Two graphite-covered steel spheres were suspended near the test article for the Castle Bravo shot. After the explosion, they were found intact some distance away, proving that engineered structures could survive a nuclear fireball.

Proved. As in, they could, without a doubt, be used to power space craft. All you need to do is design one, but the propulsion, the large part different from other ships, is PROVEN to work. Once you design the craft, much as you would design a space shuttle, for example, you'd be home free.

Orion's technology is also one of very few interstellar space drives that could be constructed with known technology. Orion is the ideal method of propelling a multi-generational starship such as an interstellar ark to the stars at velocities of up to 10% of the velocity of light.

The Orion was made completely with 1950-60 tech. Nothing new. Completely 60's tech.

Oh, by the way, don't ask me if I read the article when you replied four minutes after I posted.

[Ranholn]

Ive listen to lectures about this shat, unless its been built, put it up for vote, why are you afraid to put all of your space sci fi stuff up for the vote

[Myroria]

1. You're running out of arguments.

2. It's not sci-fi, Mr. Ilovefantasyrp.

3. Because everyone will vote against it because their biased.

[High Evermore]

1. Were running out of arguments because you refuse to listen to reason.

2. It is science fiction because we dont have colonies on the moon. If we had them, it would be nonfictional, but we don't. If its not representative on an earthly plane by a human sense, it does not exist in a realistic sense, thereby making it fictional/theoretical. Don't make me cite my psych textbook 37 times.

3. We are biased because a) you are so gung-ho that you wont give others a chance, and you jump down our throats, b) Theres lots of political/technological loopholes, c) Its scientifically/economically hard to maneuver a plan this big.

4.

...nuclear propulsion system (Which was developed DURING THE 1950's on Earth and would have gone into space if it wasn't for nuclear treaties)

You want to pull that... High Evermorian Leadership opposes the use of nuclear testing and the use of radioactive fuel until alternatives can be researched. You would be going against one countries foreign policy, and you would be endangering the safety of not only your, but my nation because failure to listen to our policy could cause war (Not that it will, but it can).

5.

It's not sci-fi, Mr. Ilovefantasyrp.

Can we be adults here? Theres no need to jump on people.

[Myroria]

1. You refuse to listen to reason. You're the side saying ICBM's can reach the moon, not me.

2. Bullshit. That's like saying anything being researched is science fiction. And I made a mistake, NASA plans to put a colony on the moon by 2020, not 2040. If I was saying I had anti-matter drives and I could go faster than the speed of light, then I could understand. But I'm giving you page after page of support and science for putting a colony on the moon, yet you dismiss them all and ask me if I even read them.

3a. I give you plenty of chances, but you come up with equally unscientific answers.

3b. No there's not, considering this has all been researched in real life and I don't see how putting a colony on the moon is politically incorrect.

3c. No it's not. A nuclear propulsion ship such as Orion would actually take cargo up for cheaper than a space shuttle or regular rocket.

4. As I said in the "Selene or Bust" thread, I took it up in a tug before allowing it to use it's bombs, thus minimizing radioactive fallout. If your government has a problem with me using nuclear propulsion, tough.

[Gulliver]

You can right all you want on paper, make all the pretty equations in the world but, if science class has taught be anything, if you cannot or have not observed it experimentally it really isn't worth much. It's the same deal as string theory. Sure, they can write out all these neat mathematically tricks on paper. But can one observe any of the things they predict? No, making it all rather worthless as a result.

So, while they may have moon colonies on paper, until we've actually had the chance to observe on in action and experimentally put those blueprints to the test it just won't do.

[Myroria]

That's like saying "Going faster than the speed of light has never been tested beyond paper, so that must mean we can".

[Eluvatar]

No... More like "that means we can't"

[Ranholn]

Engineering and scienci is based on untill youve done it full scale on a design it isnt proven, and they havnt.

Just put it to vote and your best none insaulting arguments of why it should be allowed, see insaulting people is a great way to make them take to side that is in opposition to you

[Myroria]

As far as I'm concerned, my space colony exists. My reasons:

King Rat has an interstellar space ship.
Power armor.

Wipe both of those from all existance, and I'll give up my ambitions for a space colony. Don't, and as far as I'm concerned, you're all hypocrites and I have a right to space colonies.

[Ranholn]

I dont like KR having them and wont recognize any posts he makes involving the space ship. and PA arent even on the same level, but if you look back, I have been completly against them. and if you make it so you have it with out vote dont be shocked if people ignore everything you do with it and dont honor anything you get from it