Dalarian - setup, timeline, and all the rest.

[Erno]

Hm, I'll try and answer. Hopefully that's answers that are asked for.

Mines are largely using manual labour, with only few largest ones getting conveyor belts installed to haul ores up to the surface. Western island's southern areas are still undeveloped, but are believed to have enough gemstones and precious metals to cover for higher overhead of a colder region.

Oil wells are still in really early developement due to low national demand for it.

Tarrell City Central Bank was installed by constitution in 1911, and is the only one allowed to carry out international transactions by 1915. Not sure on currency and its exchange rates at the time yet, but it'll probably be cheaper than most in the region, because of undeveloped market and recent independency.

Electricity and water supply are available to most major cities and towns, with plans to reach for every settlement and mine before 1920. Roads, still mostly made of cobblestone on the south, connect all of the towns, since cross-country railway is yet to be joined together (by 1915, only north of western island has dense railway coverage, with east mostly having 2 lines, joining together in the capital city).  Main seaport is Dorjevei, near the narrowest point between 2 main islands (map coming soon-ish?), is being renewed to allow larger vessels in. Country capital has the only airport in Dalarian large enough to accept aircraft capable of getting to the continent, so for other destinations, and faster service of southern mines, dirigibles are widely used.

Telegraph lines connect with each other all of the centers of provinces. Radio communication between distant cities is being experimented with, and enjoys receiving large grants from the central government, compareable to ones for aviation and automobile development.

Is that all that's needed?

[Rapture]

I can pay for what you need if you produce fedoras and guy fawkes masks for me.

[Eluvatar]

(click to show/hide)

[14:36:07] <Eluvatar> hey, Dalarian, Myroria have you actually finalized Dalarian being a Myrorian colony pre-war?
[14:36:16] <@Myroria> I think so
[14:37:30] <Eluvatar> Was wondering if I could replace you in that one
[14:37:31] <Eluvatar> >__>
...
[14:37:47] <@Myroria> if it's okay with dalarian sure
[14:39:16] <Eluvatar> Please also confirm that the relevant bits you've sad here are ok to post on the forum, Myroria, (and hopefully Dalarian if you reply )
[14:39:26] <@Myroria> haha yes
[14:39:28] <@Myroria> I confirm
...
<Dalarian> Eluvatar, sorry, but once again, what did you want to ask?
[15:01:25] <Dalarian> or rather, me to reply to
[15:02:11] <Eluvatar> [14:36:07] <Eluvatar> hey, Dalarian, Myroria have you actually finalized Dalarian being a Myrorian colony pre-war?
[15:02:19] <Eluvatar> [14:37:30] <Eluvatar> Was wondering if I could replace [Myroria] in that one
[15:02:25] <Eluvatar> and also
[15:02:33] <Eluvatar> [14:39:16] <Eluvatar> Please also confirm that the relevant bits you've sad here are ok to post on the forum, Myroria, (and hopefully Dalarian if you reply )
[15:02:40] <Eluvatar> *said
[15:02:54] <Dalarian> Aha, okay
[15:04:11] <Dalarian> Replacement of colonial nation - guess could be done? It's not used in RPs yet, Wiki page for history and some of regions is always  easy to edit, and what I have of post-colonial language for the country so far is far off from either anyways,,,
[15:04:25] <Dalarian> So if it is a thing, doubt it'll be noticed on a grand scale xD
[15:04:40] <Eluvatar> ok I'll post a possible outline for your consideration then
[15:04:48] <Dalarian> Sure
[15:04:51] <Eluvatar> and just to make sure, ok to post this IRC exchange at the top of the post I'm drafting?
[15:05:59] <Dalarian> Ya, why not?
[15:06:18] <Eluvatar> as the topic says, we generally frown upon (unauthorized) sharing of logs
...
[15:06:59] <Dalarian> Well, it's stuff that's relevant to general timeline, not me describing a plan of a raid on ISP office xD
[15:07:41] <Dalarian> So ya, if anything I wrote there is needed, then you can

So here's a possible timeline outline I would like to suggest, for your revision:

• 300-900: (Sometime in that range): First Dalarians arrive on the islands by boat, divide into tribes and settle them.
  
• 1680-1730: Finnish merchants and explorers establish outposts in Dalarian, trading Finnish and Cefish goods for furs and .
  
• ~1730: Finnland annexed to Eluvatar.
  
• 1730-1850: Finnish merchants joined by Minosian and Edain merchants from Eluvatar. Trade increases. Unsavory trading practices (see Wampum for inspiration, perhaps) and aggressive land grabs for mining lead to small wars, which lead to merchants hiring mercenaries including Ozians and ultimately intervention by the Eluvataran central government.
  
• ~1840: Gold rush intensifies land grabs and brushwars. Large(r) migration of men seeking fortune.
  
• ~1850: Royal Confederacy of Eluvatar annexes Dalarian in a treaty with the Tribes, establishing a system of local government subordinate to the Royal Confederacy. Mercenaries and tribal militias disarmed. Mining claims to be regulated and taxed by the local government.
  
• 1850-1898: Iron mines develop, as does an attached ore refining industry. (Refined ores are still mostly shipped to Eluvatar for smelting into iron and steel).
  
• ~1860: Easily discoverable gold exhausted. Gold rush ends.
  
• ~1870: Eluvataran Royal Navy base established in Dalarian.
  
• ~1880: Mass labor activity (strike?) leads to local government passing ordinances (to protect labor|to restrict labor organizing).
  
• ~1890 and/or ~1896 and/or ~1915: South pole expeditions from Dalarian.
  
• 1898-1910: Great War. Dalarian largely cut off from Eluvatar. One or more raids or invasions by Letonnese colonials (?). Mutual assistance with Myrorian Resdaynia. Eluvataran military in Dalarian forced to rely heavily on local government, its power strengthens. Royal Confederacy grants more autonomy out of necessity.
  
• 1910-1915: leads to outright independence. (Near-famine Eluvatar is unwilling to invade.)
  

(No suggestions yet for further details for your already quite good post-1915 timeline).

[Erno]

I'll write an expanded reply tomorrow, so for just a couple of points

1) for 1680-1730 - probably add whaling and goods transit (as discussed)?
2)For 1850-1898 - so, not too much on infrastructure and industry development of the country during that time, right?
3)South Pole would be better for 1915..1917, unless there is a really good reason/proposal for earlier ones?
4)Given famine in Eluvatar, and Dalarian's dependance on food imports, could be that => rationing => protests => Eluvatar government allowing for independence by pressure from publicity?

[Bustos]

1976..2004 -  Nationalisation of oil drilling and mining industries begin in an effort to avoid raising taxes. Country for the first time begins to open up more, allowing books and movies to be made and distributed on foreign languages (TV and radio broadcasts still demand the full dub of all programs). Series of laws are being passed, consolidating power more around the president, and not parliament, but meet little protest as Dalarian goes through two decades of greater stability.

This part had me thinking.  Would AS (Allied States) interests be compensated during your nationalization process?

[Erno]

I guess we would have to give in, unless Dalarian's share in oil production is big enough to cause disturbances compareable to 1973 oil crisis (doubtfully)?

[Bustos]

The compensation we'd seek would be for the commercial property, such as the machinery, vehicles, and buildings.  TBH, you don't have to.  A lot of nationalization (in socialist states) was government seizure of private companies without compensation.  I had hoped our relations would be well enough (after 60+ years)  that some compensation would be offered.   

As far as I know, you and Khem are the world producers of oil.  So I'd imagine your share to be quite influential, especially since you're outside of the Basin.

[Erno]

Well, since Dalarian doesn't try to become socialist, so they could reluctantly agree to proceed percentage from sales until the cost of equipment is paid off. Reluctance could be through threats of cutting off supplies... But frankly, it'll be shooting ourselves in the foot with oil being major export.

...Unless, of course, other oil producers pile in and help But that makes Dalarian sound more important than I envisioned.

[Eluvatar]

Dalarian is a sizeable country, and I think it could make for some more interesting stories if it becomes a major oil producer.

The Royal Confederacy would also have interests, I'm sure, but they certainly would not intervene militarily against nationalization. They could suggest a defense treaty with trade rules clauses, but I imagine the Dalarian government wouldn't want such impositions

[Bustos]

Percentage of sales until costs are covered is a very reasonable deal to me.  You'll be getting the Family Discount, no worries.     Plus I would imagine, with your oil/gold/mining sales, you'd pay us off fairly easily and quickly.

[Erno]

Dalarian is a sizeable country, and I think it could make for some more interesting stories if it becomes a major oil producer.

The Royal Confederacy would also have interests, I'm sure, but they certainly would not intervene militarily against nationalization. They could suggest a defense treaty with trade rules clauses, but I imagine the Dalarian government wouldn't want such impositions

1) Nice to hear that! Now, to actually try and do anything with this all xD
2)Trade rule clauses do sound bad, especially if they come with a long-term obligations

Percentage of sales until costs are covered is a very reasonable deal to me.  You'll be getting the Family Discount, no worries.     Plus I would imagine, with your oil/gold/mining sales, you'd pay us off fairly easily and quickly.

A)Family Discount? Wooh, it sounds even better than the Loyalty Club™ card!
B)Yah, it should bring in substantial funds, especially since (I guess) most of major infrastructure projects would be finished by late 1960s.