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Offline Allama

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2015, 03:51:00 PM »
A corrupt international organization has a lot more inherent story/conflict potential than an open, altruistic one. Just sayin'.  ;)

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2015, 04:23:43 PM »
A corrupt international organization has a lot more inherent story/conflict potential than an open, altruistic one. Just sayin'.  ;)

we will always have the Pax Imperium and Aurorean Coalition type treaties in place, no need to worry.

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2015, 04:22:21 AM »
If we do decide to do a United Nations-esque organization, I would offer the headquarters in Kerras itself. An island city-state that has a history of being fought over by three powers, and is a liberal haven for the downtrodden from around the world.
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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2015, 12:28:56 PM »
I think that'd be a neat idea. Location could also be one of those things fought over at the conference. I'm sure the USSR made sure there were plenty of concessions in place to allow the UN headquarters to be in New York, and we could do similar conflict and compromise at our own conference.
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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2015, 06:32:37 AM »
Name suggestions:

ersatz League of Nations: The Peace Coalition

ersatz United Nations: The International Peace[keeping] Organization

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2015, 11:15:58 AM »
Name suggestions:

ersatz League of Nations: The Peace Coalition

ersatz United Nations: The International Peace[keeping] Organization

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Peacekeepers would be cool if we had Scarrans as well.

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2015, 03:17:43 PM »
Name suggestions:

ersatz League of Nations: The Peace Coalition

ersatz United Nations: The International Peace[keeping] Organization

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Peacekeepers would be cool if we had Scarrans as well.

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2015, 04:39:13 PM »
I am slightly opposed to using the word "Peace" in the organization name. MO would have a hard time reconciling the heavy "war/expansion is good and necessary" belief with joining a league committed to peace.

I admit I can't think of a more neutral name like "United Nations" or "World Assembly," but I'm hoping we can do something in that vein. 

If our organization is going to be solely peacekeepers, my argument weakens, but I assume humanitarian aid, weapons inspections, pollution treaties, etc.  will be part of this...

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2015, 05:03:46 PM »
humanitarian aid, weapons inspections, pollution treaties, etc.  will be part of this...

that, ultimately, is for peace, to maintain a balance and respect between nation states

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2015, 05:43:12 PM »
humanitarian aid, weapons inspections, pollution treaties, etc.  will be part of this...

that, ultimately, is for peace, to maintain a balance and respect between nation states

That definition could easily include war itself, could it not?  War is often about correcting a perceived imbalance or lack of respect.  Peace is a state of being, not a sum of the elements used to bring it about or maintain it.

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2015, 09:52:29 PM »
An idealistic, well-working international organization seems boring to me. It's basically just another layer of government added on top. While the composite nations of Taijitu surely agree on some matters, it would be only natural if they form factions and compete with each other on different occasions.

Each nation has different strengths, be they economically, militarily, diplomatically or by virtue of not having to lose or gain a lot, so they can sell their votes for the greater good - or the greater gain. Now that I think of it, wouldn't it be most interesting if this supranational organization was mostly employed to forge alliances and broker deals, while "normal" politics go on as usual around it?

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2015, 12:07:09 AM »
humanitarian aid, weapons inspections, pollution treaties, etc.  will be part of this...

that, ultimately, is for peace, to maintain a balance and respect between nation states

That definition could easily include war itself, could it not?  War is often about correcting a perceived imbalance or lack of respect.  Peace is a state of being, not a sum of the elements used to bring it about or maintain it.

Nope, that is a very american thing to say, war comes to correct a wrong, or to correct an inbalance. you're wrong and your wars are wrong. okthxbye

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2015, 12:42:41 AM »
humanitarian aid, weapons inspections, pollution treaties, etc.  will be part of this...

that, ultimately, is for peace, to maintain a balance and respect between nation states

That definition could easily include war itself, could it not?  War is often about correcting a perceived imbalance or lack of respect.  Peace is a state of being, not a sum of the elements used to bring it about or maintain it.

Nope, that is a very american thing to say, war comes to correct a wrong, or to correct an inbalance. you're wrong and your wars are wrong. okthxbye

Ha!  I'm not arguing over whether it's a correct view or not.  Just pointing out that war being used to "correct a perceived imbalance" and peace as a state of being is a common thing.  Especially, as you so adeptly pointed out, when it comes to America. Also other nations.  So a realistic-ish organization, I would think, would reflect the views of all members.  And some members (USA/MO) might realistically balk at joining a "Peace" organization under the assumption that it would limit their ability to conduct war.

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2015, 12:52:11 AM »
humanitarian aid, weapons inspections, pollution treaties, etc.  will be part of this...

that, ultimately, is for peace, to maintain a balance and respect between nation states
That definition could easily include war itself, could it not?  War is often about correcting a perceived imbalance or lack of respect.  Peace is a state of being, not a sum of the elements used to bring it about or maintain it.

Nope, that is a very american thing to say, war comes to correct a wrong, or to correct an inbalance. you're wrong and your wars are wrong. okthxbye

Ha!  I'm not arguing over whether it's a correct view or not.  Just pointing out that war being used to "correct a perceived imbalance" and peace as a state of being is a common thing.  Especially, as you so adeptly pointed out, when it comes to America. Also other nations.  So a realistic-ish organization, I would think, would reflect the views of all members.  And some members (USA/MO) might realistically balk at joining a "Peace" organization under the assumption that it would limit their ability to conduct war.
It didn't stop us to form the Aurorean coalition against PI expansionism, it didn't stop us from invading Dysannii. You're wrong but having "Peace" in the name doesn't prevent you to do go war, as UN should and doesn't.

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Re: "Taijitu United Nations"
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2015, 03:01:15 AM »
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You're wrong but having "Peace" in the name doesn't prevent you to do go war, as UN should and doesn't.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say in that sentence.   :shrug: