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Author Topic: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate  (Read 2797 times)

Offline Cormac

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Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« on: March 16, 2015, 08:00:18 PM »
Greetings, fellow citizens of the Ecclesia, and welcome to the Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate!

Our candidates, as of right now, are as follows:
  • al' Khem
  • Myroria
  • Of The US
Should any other candidates enter, they may begin participating in the debate upon entering the race.

This will be a moderated debate, which means that I will be asking questions of the candidates and the candidates will be responding to the questions in this thread. I will be opening another thread for citizen comments and citizens are asked not to comment in this thread. Questions can be asked by PM or in the comment thread, and I will present questions to the candidates. Questions should be addressed to all candidates, and if sent by PM, citizens should please indicate whether they wish for their names to be attached to their question(s). Otherwise, I will assume the citizen wishes to remain anonymous.

To begin, I would like to give candidates the opportunity for an opening statement.
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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2015, 08:02:15 PM »
The citizen comment thread has been opened here.
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Offline Khem

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2015, 08:10:15 PM »
In opening I would like to again state that if elected to serve you as Citizen-Delegate my primary focus will be on internal affairs and community growth. Thats it. My entire platform. Everything else will really depend on what my people would have me do. Thank you.

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Offline Myroria

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2015, 12:42:18 AM »
My intention as Citizen-Delegate is to move the Glorious Revolution, which until now has been mostly restricted to our forum and the forums of our embassied regions, to the region of Taijitu itself. I would like to encourage activity both in the on-site page, which is all most people will ever care about, and the off-site forum. I would institute programs to encourage people to join the forum, improve their writing, and teach them how to be politically-minded citizens.

To achieve this, I would like a revamp of the Citizen-Liaison system, giving them subordinates. As Citizen-Diplomat, I formed Taijitu's first ambassador corps in at least two years. I would like to give the Liaison a team of people to help guide new members, as well as to help me and the rest of the Ecclesia craft activity programs.

The Glorious Revolution has brought Taijitu to its greatest levels of activity since 2010, and I would like to continue that trend as Citizen-Delegate.
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Offline Of The US

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2015, 05:48:11 PM »
I am Of the US, otherwise known as OT, I feel that I'm a fairly worthy candidate, as are the other two. For the most part I believe we have the same general goals for growth of the community, though I think I have different ideas for TaiMil than they do, I look forward to this debate.
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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 02:19:59 AM »
Because we're running short on time, I will post several questions for the candidates tomorrow instead of posting questions one at a time.
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Offline Khem

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 02:38:51 AM »
Thank you Cormac.

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 10:21:34 PM »
Questions for each candidate:

1. What are your broad goals for foreign affairs?

2. What are your views on the proposed treaty with The North Pacific?

3. How would you promote more in-game and forum activity as Citizen-Delegate?

4. Do you believe the Citizen-Delegate has a role in promoting discussion in the Ecclesia and, if so, how would you encourage more discussion?

5. This question comes from Gulliver: What are the candidates' views on the recent invasion and occupation of Madrigal?
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2015, 12:39:04 AM »
1. My intention as Citizen-Delegate would be to carry out the ideas of Sovereigntism. This includes forging alliances with regions that feel similarly about the sovereignty of others as we do, and creating embassies with regions that are similar to us, though maybe not close enough to pursue treaties with.

As the Citizen-Sergeant is, ultimately, the commander-in-chief of the Taijitu Militia - not the delegate - I would work closely with Funkadelia to encourage a Sovereigntist outlook militarily as well though the final say on all that is up to him.

2. When I began working on this treaty in December, I was excited to get to work on it. As I got more involved in North Pacifican politics, and eventually became Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs and Communications, I began to become frustrated with the way the system works over there. There are a lot of things that I think could be improved - in many ways it reminds me of the old Taijituan Republics.

Currently Funkadelia, an upstanding Taijituan as well as an old and dear friend, is facing extremely vitriolic rhetoric over his role as a Court Justice over there. The words that some North Pacificans have been speaking about another person would make the worst argument in the Citizens' Democracy look like a friendly debate. Part of me seriously doubts that Taijitu and the North Pacific will ever be so alike as to make me love this treaty, or that region.

Part of me also sees the use in the treaty, politically. The NPA helped Taijitu on many occasions, especially when the founder nation died several times during our long periods of inactivity. The support of the treaty is nearly unanimous in the North Pacific - they clearly think highly of us. And the region does have its redeeming qualities. It is stable and a real, though flawed, democracy - despite my occasional words to the contrary. The proposed treaty isn't drastically different than the one we have now, either. Aside from a few espionage clauses, we are not committing ourselves to this alliance any more than we were before.

When the treaty goes to a vote, I will likely vote for. But that does not mean I am enamored with TNP by any means.

3. In my campaign thread, I talk somewhat extensively of this. I would like to reorganize the Liaison office into something like the Foreign Service - tasking the Liaison with helping me come up with programs to direct people to the forums while leaving the everyday tasks - guiding new people, etc., to the Liaison's subordinates. As silly as it is, I admire the simplicity and ease of "theme weeks", which other regions have tried. Essentially, the region's WFE and visible members of the government would change to fit the assigned theme of the week - whether it be a movie, event, or other piece of popular culture.

I would also like to start a program to encourage WA membership and the endorsement of the delegate. A side effect of this would be getting people involved in the in-game World Assembly, and would hopefully both increase the region's WA influence as a whole as well as spread influence more equally between nations. I am indeed a dirty, dirty, WA socialist.

Finally, I'd like to discuss an overhaul of the worldbuilding section. New subforums, comprehensive guides, and maybe even occasional seminars from experienced worldbuilders on how to be a better writer. I'd like to either leave this in the hands of the Liaison, appoint a second Liaison especially for this, or pass a law to allow the Liaison to nominate someone for this task.

4. I think the Citizen-Delegate has a role in promoting discussion in the Ecclesia; however, I think this role comes from their duties as a citizen, first and foremost. I'd rather encourage all citizens to become more active in the Ecclesia - though we are by no means lacking in activity there - than put that in the hands of the Delegate alone. It feels rather autocratic.

5. I have mixed feelings on this operation. I think, as a philosophy, Sovereigntism survived its greatest test yet - but not without being bruised in the process. We alienated ourselves from the Unibot-sect of defenderism, though our manifesto did a long way towards accomplishing that months ago. I think we all knew from the start we couldn't count on the defender community at large to support our actions there - defenders raiding raiders, after all, is what the term "fenda" was invented for.

The first few days of the op went well. I think the one thing no one was expecting was the sheer ugliness that is the NS gameplay community. Generally defenders can count on each other for backup, not only in the actual update, but in the inevitable posturing that follows. In this case we were completely unshielded from the rhetoric that some people were spewing, and it wore on all of us. I like to think I'm a pretty good trash talker, but even I was feeling kind of tired of it all. Cormac and BT, who were really at the center of the operation, recieved unreal amounts of painful attacks against their character.

Yesterday evening we were all tired, sick of the lack of support we were getting from NationStates at large, and wanting to just give up. When we heard that Unibot was organizing a liberation against us - against defenders - TaiMil quickly became split between people - including myself - wanting to troll the operation channel a bit and people wanting to let things be. In retrospect, we probably should have not started playing around with our opponents, if only so that TaiMil could present a unified force. We showed our weakness - our factionalism - and we paid for it. We lost the op and the Militia itself was nearly fractured. Looking back, though I always encourage some good old Taijituan trolling, I regret my actions last night.

Given another chance at raiding a raider region, I would probably do it. But I would rather we go into it knowing what to expect and knowing how outnumbered we are. Keeping a thick skin in this game is important, and if anyone in the gameplay community finds a hole in your armor they'll stab you through it.
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Offline Khem

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2015, 05:15:44 PM »
1. What are your broad goals for foreign affairs?
My goals are directly tied to the will of the Ecclesia. I have little in the way of inter-regional bias and would thus be willing to enact any relations asked of by the Ecclesia. I would seek to bring our allies closer in a non-military fashion via things such as our upcoming Garden Party.

2. What are your views on the proposed treaty with The North Pacific?
I'm actually pretty ambivalent about this. As I stated in that discussion I have had very little dealings with them and really don't see how this alliance affects our region aside from militarily. I could take it or leave it like much of NS militarism.

3. How would you promote more in-game and forum activity as Citizen-Delegate?
Much like my opponent I wish to expand the Liaison office into a full working team. I would like to use this team to promote various things within the forum, create theme weeks and parties, encourage endos and WA membership, create consistent templates for use in advertising our region and our forum to those already here. Of course such can not happen without the direct support of you the Ecclesia and I hope you find such goals worthy enough to pursue even without Delegate cheerleading.

4. Do you believe the Citizen-Delegate has a role in promoting discussion in the Ecclesia and, if so, how would you encourage more discussion?
I do believe they should have a role but not above that of any other member of the Ecclesia. I believe myself to be one of the more active legislators, consistently attempting to move discussions forward and to create a dynamic air with constant proposals.

5. This question comes from Gulliver: What are the candidates' views on the recent invasion and occupation of Madrigal?
It was the first operation I have had any hand in whatsoever, I had no clue what was going on. Now it is over and I still have no clue. I would like to become more informed of such things but at the same time ignorance is bliss.

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Offline Of The US

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2015, 06:10:20 PM »
1. What are your broad goals for foreign affairs?
I would like to see us as a region, have better relations with other regions, we can't keep to ourselves forever, the only way we can grow as a group is to have better relations with other regions. That being said, its obviously up to the Ecclesia as to what treaties, if any get accepted or not.

2. What are your views on the proposed treaty with The North Pacific?
I am a fan of it, I've not always been involved with TNP(and since 2007 I haven't been on their forum much) but when I've been involved with NS I've always been in their IRC channel(sometimes passive, sometimes involved with what was going on.

3. How would you promote more in-game and forum activity as Citizen-Delegate?
We should change things up, as of now theres no real benefit to forum activity or in-game activity, granted some people choose to avoid general GP and theres nothing wrong with that, but as for forum activity, why not just promote it, have games, do general post count things like we used to do, that usually encouraged people to be more active as a whole.

4. Do you believe the Citizen-Delegate has a role in promoting discussion in the Ecclesia and, if so, how would you encourage more discussion?
In general I believe that seems more of a role for the Citizen-Initiator, but the Citizen-Delegate should take part in it, just by posting more, or just suggesting things for discussion would help. That being said, it seems that the Ecclesia is fairly active as it is.

5. This question comes from Gulliver: What are the candidates' views on the recent invasion and occupation of Madrigal?
I think we were doing the right thing by what our regions beliefs are, we should never let one person being upset at our actions dictate how we behave, yes we pulled out, but I don't think that we should have, being attacked as some members of TaiMil were clearly bothered them, but pulling out was more disheartening than anything else involved in that operation for me honestly.
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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2015, 10:31:14 PM »
My apologies for a lackluster debate, this has been a busy week for me at work and I haven't received questions by PM either.

Would candidates like to continue the debate through the voting period, or post closing statements now?
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Offline Khem

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2015, 10:38:30 PM »
I am fine with a continuous debate.

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Offline Myroria

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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2015, 10:46:56 PM »
I am as well, if Cormac is willing. If not - or if you're out of questions - we can close it.
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Re: Tonneral AR 1 Citizen-Delegate Debate
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2015, 11:01:58 PM »
I am fine with it as well
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