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Offline Sovereign Dixie

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Baltija has been banned
« on: January 21, 2007, 12:22:12 AM »

 I'm really not in the way to make a long formal address about this, but, I know damn well I can't just up and ban someone without letting everyone know what's going on and why. So I'll level with you.

 I had a meeting with The Ministers of Defense, Internal Affairs, and Regional Security, and it was decided that Baltija is an unstabilising factor in the region, for the reasons of personal attacks, including flaming and racism, generally rude and inappropriate behaviour, the impersonation of a Minister of Taijitu, and by his own insinuation of passing along information he obtains about our region to those who would potentially like to see harm come to it.

 To those who don't know me, I'll go ahead and say this, I'm not a ban happy son of a bitch with an itch for chaos. I've only sanctioned one other banning in my NS career, and that was only after numerous complaints, and numerous warnings given to the offender. I only ban after every option has been exausted, and after giving more than ample and fair warning.

 We have no offical process for this set up, as of yet. But, I'm going to take the actions that I feel are conscionable under the circumstances. The senate will be informed of all applicable evidence supporting this action. And Baltija will be given the right to appeal in our judicial system, which is currently being formed.

 Thank you in advance for your support and understanding.


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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 12:28:35 AM »
Ok, I wasn't there at the time of banning. I wasn't consulted about it since I was not available at the time. However, as both a High Councillor and as the current Vice Delegate, I support Dixie's actions fully.

Those of you who know any of the history of Dixie before Taijitu will probably know how we felt about trigger happy banning and, since this has been building for a long time, I can assure you, we let a lot of things go that were potentially bannable by themselves.

This action, I am sure, was not easy for the Delegate to take and it's a shame it had to come so early in the region's development.

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« Last Edit: January 21, 2007, 12:32:44 AM by The G Rebellion »



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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2007, 01:38:32 AM »
Quote from: Artice VI. The Rights of Citizens
1. The right of any citizen to speak freely shall not be abridged except where it violates the laws and rules of the external world and the forum.

2. Citizens shall have the right to seek redress from the Supreme Court if in their opinion executive authority has been unduly exercised against them.

    1. Citizens shall be informed of their right to seek redress in the event that executive authority is exercised against them.
    2. Citizenship may not be revoked without the due process of law.
    3. The access of citizens to the region and the forum shall not be curtailed without cause from the Delegate nor shall the access of citizens be curtailed indefinitely without due process of law. The access of citizens to the Supreme Court shall under no circumstances be curtailed.

3. The Senate shall pass no bills of attainder.

4. Citizens shall not be prosecuted for crimes ex post facto.

I hope we haven't forgot to adhere to the emboldened portions of the Constitution.  I have no problem banning someone if they deserve it, but first it must be proven that they do indeed deserve it.  I also hope that he's been informed of his rights, and that he can still view the Supreme Court (we need Justices) so that he may make full use of them.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2007, 02:07:31 AM by Gallipoli-China »


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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2007, 01:48:49 AM »
Justices, we need Justices, not Judges...

But regardless, so long as evidence is indeed presented and the emboldened portions adhered to I can raise no objection to this, as if I would have a reason to.

Argh! The lack of a Court makes this much more complex than it ought to be! And then there's the fact that he hasn't, if I am not mistaken, maintained a resident nation in Taijitu, which would void his citizenship and the rights of the citizen along with them...

Though, for the sake of proving that we are a region ruled by law rather than I-say-so-ism some review of the matter might be in order, though my mind is for all matters already made up.

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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2007, 02:07:06 AM »
My mistake, Prag.  I'll go put it right.

There is already some sort of review in the Senate, though the Constitution actually doesn't say there should be...I suppose that's the best we can do if we don't have either a forum for the Supreme Court or the Justices to staff it.


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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2007, 02:10:53 AM »
Ad hoc Senate tribunal, or wait for Court to exist?

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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2007, 02:17:56 AM »
If SD feels the need to present evidence to the Senate, that's perfectly fine with me, even if it isn't Constitutionally mandated.

However, if he wishes to open a Review to contest the banning, then the Supreme Court will have to be organized.  As long as he waits, the Supreme Court can langusih.


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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2007, 02:47:59 AM »
I know that the constitution did not call for senate review, but I still felt it to be the right thing to do. Espeically since this is more or less based on not jut *an* event, but a *pattern* of events, I felt it was best.


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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2007, 03:32:49 AM »
Well, a little foray into the Lex (they may have banned my school's IP, but not my home  ;D) has revealed some rather interesting things. Of course, there is the expected accusations that we are a totalitarian state.

More importantly, he's gone and, in plain sight and public, disclosed IRC logs and screenshots and other such things.

If he wasn't guilty before, he is now.

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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2007, 03:35:19 AM »
I corroborate Prag's story.  I saw it with my own eyes!

Of course this begs the question (which I refrained from asking before, because I am a trusting person and presume innocence)...what will be done with his spot on the map? ;D
« Last Edit: January 21, 2007, 03:36:58 AM by Gallipoli-China »


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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2007, 04:06:14 AM »
Especially when you consider the fact that the logs in question have in them...

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<14TCM> Bal...these logs better not be being posted elsewhere without the consent of everyone here.

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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2007, 04:17:50 AM »
I want his spot on the map!
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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2007, 04:20:14 AM »
Ultimately, it's for Oz to decide. I would suggest that he be removed and the spot be left open for some feature nation.

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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2007, 05:30:09 AM »
nuke it :P

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Re: Baltija has been banned
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2007, 05:48:19 AM »
I agree... nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.