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Author Topic: A new direction, and a new beginning.  (Read 18808 times)

Offline PoD Gunner

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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2008, 04:51:52 PM »
Oh but we do, maha. I have replied to every post in this thread and will continue to do so. Feed-back will be critical once the new structure is in place.

@Allama: i cannot answer that with precision. It's up to the region also. Our ideas will be presented very soon, within the next few days.
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2008, 05:01:55 PM »
Man, this "new structure" sounds ominous.  But I'll have to wait until you draw up your plans to pass judgment.

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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2008, 05:02:28 PM »
 :D Thanks, E-man.
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2008, 05:06:32 PM »
what does SD mean by Martial Law?
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2008, 05:10:01 PM »
Though I reserve the right to change my mind after seeing the new Constitution and all that, for now I will happily retain my position and continue working for Taijitu in whatever way I can.  \o/

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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2008, 05:32:12 PM »
Convince me through reforms? These are not reforms. This is a coup. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet, and a coup by any other name would smell as fishy. I doubt severely there will be any sort of democracy here.
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2008, 10:32:58 PM »
Doubt is the beginning not the end of wisdom, but Romeo is dead and we are alive. Myro, you haven't seen nothing yet. Yes, this is a coup, but one that will aim to improve what we have here in terms of regional government. Smelling fish (and quoting Shakespeare) could mean you're in Denmark, I hope you have your passport with you.

Bara, I guess SD means that under Martial Law the executive will take whatever measures necessary to protect the region and will not have to go through the regular channels to enforce that decision. SD made a reference to that in one of his posts in this thread. It also means that we will act without hesitation to maintain order.

*bows at Allama* You are wise, milady and I for one am very grateful for all you did and will continue to do for this region.
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2008, 11:54:32 PM »
It was Juliet, not Romeo, and you're misstepping the question and using a fallacy (You say something and insist you're not lying, so you must be telling the truth).
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2008, 11:59:41 PM »
That is precisely what I meant.

Myro, I don't know what you're on about. You're all like "help help, I'm bein' repressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!" And no one has been banned, not even after basically telling us to go to hell. You compare us with Cath/IP/FL.. would they have done that? Hell, The reason why we WERE so mad at IP was because he had already banned a shitload of people, mostly for disagreeing with him. There has been, nor will there be, any of that here. So sheesh, chill out already dude.

Yeah, it's a coup, yeah, I'm basically teh dictat0rz, but that does not mean this has to, or is going to be, brutal, oppressive, or evil in it's nature. I'm not here to run the region into the fuckin' ground, and I'm not here to make everyone my bitch. We're just going about this in an... unorthodox manner, introducing a more streamlined, smaller, and hopefully more effecient governmental structure.

There will be democracy. The rough planning is complete on that, there will be a legislative body, comprised of the citizens. There will be no membership requirement, no grilling or application process, our aim is to introduce a type of direct democracy. This will be counterbalanced by a smaller, more powerful executive branch. In this way, indecisiveness and gridlock will no longer be issues.


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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2008, 12:05:08 AM »
You mean you haven't made proper plans already?
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2008, 01:36:43 AM »
Who doesn't love the odd coup?  :-P I think the most important thing to remember is this; you voted Dixie in so your representative is still in charge. Yes he was expected to relinquish that role after a certain time (can't remember how long - my delegacy didn't last that long :P) and he has expressed that he might not do so. But he still might.

I know my say will mean jack shit for a lot of you but I don't really see why you're so annoyed at all this. You're complaining about the result before the game has been played. Some people in the region do love to bitch and moan but just remember - when it comes down to it, this is a game.

If you're going to complain, at least wait till you're sure about what it is you've taken it upon yourself to argue against...





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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2008, 02:58:35 AM »
I have a story to tell you all....

A while back I created the Conservative Party of Taijitu. At the time I could already see the region descending into a slothful existence. I, however, was still an idealist in the sense that I believed in Taijitu's system. I believed that through the system the CPT could bring reform, could strengthen the region from within.
I called for the Delegate to receive a veto over the Senate.
I called for Senators to be barred from holding Supreme Court and Cabinet positions.
I called for the breakup and redistribution (ie BALANCE) of the Senate's power.

SD signed on, as did Myroria. Sadly the dream died. The Senate's leaders realized they held all the real power; and no group of leaders gives up power voluntarily. The Conservative Party was a failure. Even if its candidates were elected to power, any of its proposed changes would need the approval of the Senate, which just wasn't going to happen.
So I became disillusioned. The system of the region I loved was destroying itself from within, the Senate, under the control of people more interested in pointless general discussion then RP, unwilling to abandon it's death grip on the region. So I left, as did SD. I left because at that point I didn't want to overthrow the system. I loved Taijitu too much.
On that note, I've been here since Day 1. I was one of the original refugees who was expelled from the Lexicon. So please, spare me the "you betrayed Taijitu!"
I joined this movement because I love Taijitu. Well as much as anyone can love a NS region. 
You see, a while after I left, SD offered me a possibility. It seemed PoD had finally had enough of the every growing apathy that had polluted the region. He asked SD to come back and help lead a movement to revive the region.
SD came to me and asked if I wanted in. I was hesitant. After all, wasn't a coup, an illegal seizure of power, the course of action the Lexicon tyrants chose? Wasn't what SD was proposing a violation of Taijitu's very existence?
I came back after months away, only to see things had gotten worse. The Senate would still not accept reforms of well-minded Senators, isolated in a sea of mediocrity and sloth. So I got back to SD and signed on. I didn't do so without careful thought. Like I said above, I did it because I love this region.
The region was sick. And the apathy and sloth that had gripped the Senate wouldn't let the region take the medicine it needed to get better. We had to force the region to take its medicine.

After all that has happened, I still wish the Conservative Party would have worked. I still wish we could have brought about meaningful change without having to seize complete power.
Reform, however, was impossible. We did what we did because we had to. We were left with no other choice. We saw the region we loved dying, and we did what we had to do in order to save it. 
To those upset with our actions; I understand fully where you are coming from. Don't aim your anger at us though, we're doing what's best for the region.
Aim your anger at those who introduced apathy to the region. Aim your anger at those who allowed what should have been a two week trial take three months. Aim your anger at those who treated elections as jokes and who abused the Senate's power. Aim your anger at those who forced us to take this course of action.

We need to face the reality of the situation people. Our region was falling into a pit of apathy, sloth, and mediocrity. As the NS world became more and more hostile we clung to outdated notions of neutrality. Our enemies were conspiring against us, and we couldn't even get our own house in order because of an apathetic Senatorial oligarchy, because of those who abused the good nature of the liberal democracy.
This is the jump start we promised this region. This is the course of action we promoted.

This marks both the greatest and the saddest day in Taijitu's history. And I would do the same thing again and again if given the choice. Why? Because I love Taijitu.

Thank you :tai:

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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2008, 03:36:06 AM »
Well, aren't we all just saints brought down down from heaven. Thank goodness for you all. You are so great and we are mere peasants who couldn't possibly know what is good for ourselves. Thank you so much oh great holy ones! /sarcasm



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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2008, 03:40:37 AM »
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Re: A new direction, and a new beginning.
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2008, 03:47:34 AM »
Well, aren't we all just saints brought down down from heaven. Thank goodness for you all. You are so great and we are mere peasants who couldn't possibly know what is good for ourselves. Thank you so much oh great holy ones! /sarcasm
It's not as if we suddenly said "OMG, U NO WAT WOULD BE TEH ROKEZZZ?!?!?!? WE SHOULD MAEK A COUP!!!!!11111oneoneeleven"
We only did this because, to be frank, you didn't know what was good for the region. The Senate was killing the region and unwilling to change. So we forced the change. When you come up against stubborn mediocrity you can either quit or shove it aside. We opted to shove.