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Poll

Should the IPO have a standing force ready to act rapidly when the need arises

yes
4 (28.6%)
no
9 (64.3%)
abstain
1 (7.1%)

Total Members Voted: 14

Voting closed: November 04, 2007, 04:45:10 PM

Author Topic: IPO rapid reaction force  (Read 2725 times)

Offline Glomin

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IPO rapid reaction force
« on: October 21, 2007, 04:45:10 PM »
To me there seems to be major problems with how in the real world peace keeping and disaster relief are handled.

Firstly there is the speed at which these operations take place, first there is the vote but even after this there is then the agreements over who will send what, what role the resources sent will be used for, etc. 

Secondly there is the disjointed aspect of the forces sent to perform these tasks, they are drawn from different services and from different countries so they will have communication difficulties, supply difficulties and the simple difficulty of having been trained in totally different ways.

What I am proposing is that a small force both civil and military personnel should be set up that would be able to be deployed very swiftly to problem areas to either deal with the problem or to coordinate the follow up.

To do this each nation should pledge a certain amount of men and materials to this force and that this force be assembled and trained together as soon as possible. 

Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 05:03:44 PM »
I agree with forming a small force of "First responders" but we must keep in mind that we may need forces changing in size and composition according to mission specifications.
This means that the officers must be able to integrate forces not trained for such missions quickly.
It would be less difficult if officers from this "Rapid deployment force" could rotate back to their countries to train additional troops so they can be deployed if more personal is needed.

Also we should keep in mind that the nature of our mission includes deployment to different environments.
So soldiers from different nations have different experiences that could be collected and exchanged in such a unit.

I am against this force being equipped with standardized materials. Instead every nation should supply their own equipment.
This would give us some flexibility as different armies have different capabilities. Also they know their own equipment and we could save on money and manpower because it would be easier to assemble and disassemble troops according to the actual situation.
So it would simply be made out of people who are trained to provide liaison and coordinate the different armies involved.
So our soldiers would train with each others equipment and learn it's weaknesses and strength's.

Also having our own "Army" may give others the idea that we are a alliance of nations which we are not. We are a organization in which everyone may participate but does not have too.


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Offline Delfos

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 05:54:04 PM »
No, rapid reaction force cannot be held by such organization as ours. We promote Peace, not War or protection of interests.

Offline Glomin

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 09:07:31 PM »
I'm proposing that any force be small and primarily to allow multinational forces who haven't trained together properly to interact with minimal problems.

Also I'm suggesting that at maximum 10% of the force should be armed military personnel, the rest would be civil personnel.  The military personnel would mainly be officers from the respective member states to coordinate multinational deployments and to act as observers.  Those military personnel that would actually be embodied as actual fighting units would be primarily to protect the civilian personnel and to act as first wave peacekeepers, not to mention hostage rescue and bomb disposal.

As for standardized weapons/equipment I meant for the 10,000 or so of the rapid reaction force rather then all of the IPO.  The maximum I'd go for the IPO as a whole would be a standard rifle cartridge (such as real world UN has (or used to)).

Offline Cantr

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 03:08:41 AM »
This would undermine our mission as an organization in the worst way.  I vote no.
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Offline Feniexia

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 07:26:38 PM »
Feniexia votes against. There are members in the IPO powerful enough to provide military assistance if needed; and, as the Delfian speaker said, the IPO shall not be any kind of protective or military organization.

Offline Xyrael

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2007, 07:42:12 PM »
The Empire votes NO.

His Divinity believes that the IPO is a democratic body, and as such should follow the democratic process. As such, no decision can be arrived at hastily and without a full inquiry. His Supremacy would be loathe to commit troops to an incursion based on false pretenses.
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Offline Flamaca-Nisomia

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2007, 10:10:29 PM »
No, rapid reaction force cannot be held by such organization as ours. We promote Peace, not War or protection of interests.

Ever notice the paradox in Peacekeeping Forces? Sometimes such a thing is necessary. A force such as this, I believe, would help in the quickness of action, where a democratic vote would take too long. This force could just be a presence until a voted force arrives.
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Offline Xyrael

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 10:22:06 PM »
What if you vote against intervention? Then you just screwed yourself over, losing the irreplacable lives of soldiers whose families grievances could never be paid with money. Soldiers need to die for a meaning, and this type of force could easily take that away.
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Offline Cantr

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2007, 07:07:41 PM »
Agreed.
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Offline Flamaca-Nisomia

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2007, 08:10:16 PM »
A soldier's purpose for being is not to die. It is to serve his or her country in the interests of freedom and what he/she believes is the right course of action. For some to die is sadly inevitable.
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Offline Glomin

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2007, 01:23:09 AM »
surely unless you mean to abide by the decisions of this organization its existence is useless.  If you would not send forces to aid IPO peace keeping operations that you disagree with then what is the point of being in the organization. 

Offline Validus

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2007, 02:23:56 AM »
OOC:
A soldier's purpose for being is not to die. It is to serve his or her country in the interests of freedom and what he/she believes is the right course of action. For some to die is sadly inevitable.

As a Soldier my self, that statement is wrong.

A soldiers purpose is to serve the governing entinty of the nation, be they for peace and freedom or war and tyranny. However the latter is less likely to be followed by my fellow soldiers in the CF.

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Offline Union

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2007, 09:58:50 PM »
ooc: The purpose of a soldier is to pick up a weapon and kill the enemy
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Offline Feniexia

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Re: IPO rapid reaction force
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2007, 07:18:03 PM »
ooc: The purpose of a soldier is to pick up a weapon and kill the enemy

OOC: Have you ever thought about the purpose of military forces from nations like, say, Austria?