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Offline Xyrael

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IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« on: October 31, 2007, 07:54:50 PM »
The Illuminate stands aghast at the gross and blatant misuse of power granted to the delegate of Loyan. Was the Illuminate mistaken when it joined the IPO under the distinct impression it would have a voice? Is the democratic process for nought? The Emperor, it all his glory, believed himself a respected leader of his nation, and yet the delegate of Loyan ceaselessly commands and directs his revered Eminence, as well as all the esteemed leaders of the world, to undertake his personal biddings with complete disregard to the democratic process. Are not members of the IPO allowed to undertake their own national policies? Is this organization some sort of new world order, bent on conformity and lack of diversity? Peace is good and glorious, but at what cost must it be achieved? The Illuminate will not sacrifice its honor and duty for peace.

The Illuminate hereby motions to restrict the powers all future Administrators of the IPO.

The Illuminate hereby motions for a vote of NO Confidence in the Loyanese administration.

The Illuminate hereby motions for a full review of the state of DSA's government.

The Illuminate hereby requests the IPO set up a fund to assist the beleagered victims of strife on the American continent regardless of race, affiliation, gender, or religion.

The Illuminate hereby requests a vote to reaffirm the sovereignty of member states.
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Offline Cantr

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2007, 07:58:56 PM »
Concerning the vote of no confidence, it is irrelevant.  Loyan's term is practically over.  I'll admit, however, that the expulsion of the DSA with no debate or vote held whatsoever was deeply disturbing.  Do we really want to put this kind of power into the hands of a beauracrat?  I suppose that such a rapid response may yet be justified if the DSA cannot adequately defend their actions, but still...it does not sit well with me.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2007, 08:25:34 PM »
Sadly I must agree with the Xyraeli delegate.
As the delegate of Cantr has said the Loyan term is nearly over.
But I agree on the other motions by Xyrael and am willing to support them. If I correctly understand  understand that motion for the fund would allow us to assist all victims. Including those from DSA; Canada and CSSD as well as Dysanii?
In this case I will support this motion to the fullest.
I can not see why the populace of any of those nations should suffer trough the actions of their leaders.
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Offline Delfos

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2007, 08:34:11 PM »
I will have to agree with Xyrael, but Loyan administration is practically over, may the new administration group prosper among the rest of the delegates. It is in no interest the administration can do more than any other, administration groups shall only guide the organization through it's task.

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2007, 08:48:47 PM »
What are the powers of the head of the IPO anyway?

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2007, 08:53:13 PM »
none...lol not exactly head, we call it administrator, most anything must be done via-election, if i want to create a super army and create the empire of IPO (like in Star Wars), i will need to make a vote for it, or I'll do it by force and risk loosing the support of the majority (like what happened with Loyan). His powers and very limited, he can guide humanitarian aid and funds it necessary, and will be able, because he's elected, to remind the objectives assigned during the administrative period.

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2007, 11:07:50 PM »
I ask that the following checks be considered to keep the powers of the Administrator.

The ability to motion to impeach the administrator by vote of no confidence. So long as this motion is on the table, the administrators power is to be suspended. This motion should occur over a 3 day span, and cannot be called for twice against an administrator during his single term. (To prevent filibustering)

The administrator should be banned from making the following decisions unilaterally: sanctions, membership or lack thereof, war plans, and more to be added.

The Illuminate is currently considering the idea of a passive administrator. One who can not vote except to break a tied vote. This would eliminate any supposed bias by the leadership, regardless of their affiliations.


Furthermore, in regards to national sovereignty, I ask that this body refrain from becoming an authoritarian body. Member states volunteered to join this group, and as such should not be forced to act in any manner. Therefore, member states should be expected to, but not forced to, pay into a humanitarian fund, a peacekeeping force, et cetera. As such with Operation Winter Shield, such actions may be voted for by the IPO, and action may be taken, but action by all IPO member states should not be forced. Furthermore, this body can not force a nation to impose sanctions. It can call for sanctions, but this body does not have the power to take away that which it does not give. Beyond humanitarian aid and peacekeeping forces this body can and should only be able to request.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2007, 11:15:51 PM »
ooc Sounds good to me except one point.

"Member states volunteered to join this group, and as such should not be forced to act in any manner"

We promote peace and if you want to attack other countries then don't join. Joining an organization like the Red Cross is voluntary. That does not mean however that you can just say "Aww no I don't wanna help people. I just want to sit around and watch them die. I can do this because I am a volunteeeer"
This is not working.
Also to be realistic we should  find a check against nations joining for the sole purpose of sinking this ship and block IPO involvement in their wars.
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2007, 11:46:36 PM »
I agree. It is this reason that the Ardan Union from before the reboot failed. I tried to unite the nations of Arda into a single voice, but reasons such as my weak leadership at the time and the external problems between two states ripped it apart. I don't want to see the same happen with this.
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Offline Xyrael

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2007, 01:55:03 AM »
But the IPO is not an economic or military union. Nor will it ever become one. The IPO is more of an international forum intended to get people to see each other's perspective and ideally reach a compromise/agreement. I will not be a member of an international union. I will, however, be willing to express my opinions and attempt to reach agreements through compromise on an international forum. When nations attack civil rights, then yes, let's step in screaming guns blazing. But as far as I can tell this war has showed no evidence that civilians will come in harms way save through misguided government policy and failure to act on the part of involved parties.
« Last Edit: November 01, 2007, 05:32:24 AM by Xyrael »
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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2007, 12:28:22 PM »
Yuri Papovish walks in with a new rank: "Hello, as the representative of the new administration, i ask the current members to elaborate a chart of restriction of powers of the administration of IPO. I would also like to suggest, the administration should have the power to automatically admit or perform a period of admission to new members, this period of admission would be used for an elected admission. Being the second, the most correct way to bring in new members."

Offline Cantr

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2007, 02:46:27 PM »
If someone would do me the favor of telling me what the administrators powers actually are, I would be happy to offer a suggestion as to how they could be restricted.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2007, 03:10:24 PM »
none...lol not exactly head, we call it administrator, most anything must be done via-election, if i want to create a super army and create the empire of IPO (like in Star Wars), i will need to make a vote for it, or I'll do it by force and risk loosing the support of the majority (like what happened with Loyan). His powers and very limited, he can guide humanitarian aid and funds it necessary, and will be able, because he's elected, to remind the objectives assigned during the administrative period.

Here is the "general outline"
The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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Offline Cantr

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2007, 04:12:29 PM »
So Loyan was over-stepping his power when he declared the DSA a rogue state without a debate or even a vote, and we have no need to worry about restricting the admin's powers...we merely must insure that the admin does not get drunk anymore.
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Offline Pachamama

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Re: IPO Meeting: Restrict the Powers of the Head of IPO
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2007, 05:28:26 PM »
I already took measures about this.

Note to the galley. Alcoholic beverages no longer to be served at diplomatic meetings.

See here
http://forum.taijitu.org/ipo/dsa-classification-vote/0/

The power we hold comes from our citizens.
And they may take it away as well.


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"War`s  begin where you will
but they do not stop where you please"

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