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Offline Pachamama

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IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« on: November 25, 2007, 03:50:59 PM »
This is the raw document for the proposal.
Please comment on it.

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The following proposal is made concerning the existence of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.
To produce a treaty trough which the signing nations accept the following.
This treaty is open to non IPO nations that wish to sign it.

1) Definition
Nuclear weapons
A nuclear weapons is defined as a munition that derives its destructive force from nuclear reactions of fusion or fission, is for military use and can be deployed to other locations.

Biological weapons
A biological weapon is defined as a munition or device that makes use of any pathogen (bacterium, virus or other disease-causing organism) as a weapon of war.


Chemical weapons
A chemical weapon  is defined as a munition or device that uses the toxic properties of chemical substances to kill or injure  an enemy.

2) NBC weapons non-proliferation

2.1) Current NBC weapon systems

Undersigned nations will  freeze their current arsenals and reduce the use of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons to second strike  purposes only.

Undersigned nations will not increase their arsenal on NBC weapons.

NBC Stores will be subject to reduction upon review of the overall security situation.

A stop will be put on the production of NBC weapons.


2.2) Non-proliferation

Undersigned nations will refrain from selling nuclear weapons, parts or technologies that will enable a nation to produce nuclear weapons.

Those nations that do not posses nuclear weapons will refrain from developing, purchasing or gaining them in any other way.

The treaty will be put under review every year by the IPO International Atomic Energy Council  and should it be found that the world has become a more stable and peaceful place then the arsenal will be reduced.

3)Exemptions

Nuclear technology
Exempt from this treaty is nuclear technology to produce nuclear materials and devices for civilian use in energy production, medicine and science.

Biological materials
Exempt are biological materials used in medical and biological sciencs intended for civilian use.

Chemicals for civilian use
Exempt from this are chemicals that have other industrial uses and can not be replaced with substitute chemicals.
Also ecempt are non - lethal chemical weapons.

This is an expansion paper to get the NBC weapons ban started.
If it is turned into a treaty it will be expanded on later depending on the development of the worlds situation.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2007, 04:49:57 AM by Pachamama »
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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2007, 07:01:08 PM »
you shouldn't mix nuclear energy with nuclear weapons...
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The second part “Civil use of nuclear weapons” will deal with the industrial and medical issue of nuclear energy.

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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2007, 07:07:42 PM »
you shouldn't mix nuclear energy with nuclear weapons...
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The second part “Civil use of nuclear weapons” will deal with the industrial and medical issue of nuclear energy.

That's what you get with "Copy and paste"  :'(
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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2007, 07:24:05 PM »
you also should numerate the points to be easily identified, also there's allot of English errors, but i don't mind.

the 1st points are all information, they should be either in form of protocols or text based header for the treaty.

"refrain" is not restrictive. It should in my opinion.

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Those nations that do not posses nuclear weapons will refrain from developing, purchasing or gaining them in any other way.
this point is suppressed with:
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To halt production of nuclear weapons.
If you make it more specific, to halt production and never produce or something like that.

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Those nations that have nuclear weapons may keep them for defensive purposes only.
I agree at some point, maybe there should have a limit, if they have more than the limit they should un-arm the device and store safe with the rest of the waste.

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The treaty will be put under review every year and should it be found that the world has become a more stable and peaceful place then the arsenal will be reduced.
Again an information, either a protocol or it should be simplified as this treaty will be revised every year by the IPO Atomic Energy Bureau or whatever the name is.

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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 10:07:04 PM »
The Enlightened Empire will not sign this treaty.

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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2007, 04:17:13 AM »
The Enlightened Empire will not sign this treaty.

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Why did I know this when I saw your name in here even before opening the thread.
I am currently trying to establish the operational costs of IPO.
Mind if I charge your country $1 / month for the electricity used by the tape recorder that says. "The Enlightened Empire will not sign this treaty." every five minutes?
You probably have the least expensive delegate.
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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2007, 05:29:10 AM »
The Greater Canadian Empire will sign this treaty.
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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2007, 05:43:34 AM »
I rather not sign without the confirmation we can revise it right now. I posted the points i would like to see reviewed.

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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2007, 02:41:32 PM »
We do not have nuclear weapons, and do not intend on acquiring them, but statement 3 would prevent us from acquiring materials and technology for civilian nuclear power. With any reactor, material for nuclear weapons can be produced.

Unless it is modified to say that the technology and material intended for civilian use is acceptable, the Collosean Federation will not sign this treaty.

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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 03:02:49 PM »
We do not have nuclear weapons, and do not intend on acquiring them, but statement 3 would prevent us from acquiring materials and technology for civilian nuclear power. With any reactor, material for nuclear weapons can be produced.

Unless it is modified to say that the technology and material intended for civilian use is acceptable, the Collosean Federation will not sign this treaty.

Fixed.
I will also include what is prohibited under this article. there are special parts used only in nuclear weapons.


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the 1st points are all information, they should be either in form of protocols or text based header for the treaty.

"refrain" is not restrictive. It should in my opinion

Sorry Delfos could you explain again. i don`t exactly understand that part. I am a bit confused.
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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2007, 03:34:06 PM »
Sounds good. Collosea will sign this treaty.


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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2007, 03:50:45 PM »
well some of the points in the draft are basically information like, "If I drink too much beer, I will pee allot."
They shouldn't count as points for a legislation but as a text or a different part I say. You have some of the information out of the points and some inside, put it all in each place, information goes to the header or foot-text, and points are strictly to legislation points: "Do not drink too much beer."

now on some of the points you have words that 'suggest' some action. "If you nuke civilians I might slap your ass for bad behavior."

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1) The treaty will include freezing of current arsenals and reduction of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons to second strike  purposes only.
information mixed with legislation, make it sound threatening:
"YOU SHALL NOT INCREASE YOUR CURRENT NBC ARSENAL!"
"YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO REDUCTION OF YOUR NBC ARSENAL!"
"NBC ARSENAL SHALL BE USED TO SECOND STRIKE PURPOSES ONLY!"

there, I just created 3 legislation points out of an information sentence.
Well i do understand this in a draft of an incoming treaty but I want to see it written. And let me set it clear I still think Chemical weapons that are not persistent should be maintained.

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2) A stop will be put on the production of NBC weapons.
hurray! but we should discuss about non-persistent Chemical weapons.

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3) Undersigned nations will refrain from selling nuclear weapons, parts or technologies that will enable a nation to produce nuclear weapons.
See the suggestion? What if they don't like your suggestion? It should be threatening,
"DON'T EVER THINK ABOUT TRYING TO BUY, SELL OR PRODUCE NBC ARSENAL!"
What if they do anyway? What's going to happen? You put sanctions to them their whole life while they profit more with NBC market than without sanctions?

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3.1) Exempt from this is technology used for civilian purposes.
Nice touch, should be named protocol, but there's something you might miss, there's non-lethal nuclear material used for both civilian and military purposes, how can you defined what is NBC arsenal and what is just material? For example, gaseous tritium used in weapon sights to glow in the dark, is that arsenal? There's a gray area, we need to define that.

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4) Those nations that do not posses nuclear weapons will refrain from developing, purchasing or gaining them in any other way.
Suggestion without consequences again, and this is basically the same as the last one but more simple, and instead of "Undersigned nations" is "nations that do not posses nuclear weapons" (which doesn't include bio/chemi warfare). Don't you rather make it universal? you could merge both points in one.

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5) The treaty will be put under review every year by the IPO International Atomic Energy Council  and should it be found that the world has become a more stable and peaceful place then the arsenal will be reduced.
information, not exactly legislation about NBC ban.

So let me start bargaining about chemical weapons, I don't think non-persistent chemical weapons should be banned. It's the upper hand of chemically advanced warfare against raw one. The use of such chemicals, either gaseous, burning or blasting that are not persistent withing the applicative environment have no harm to long-term co-existing entities such as civilians, crops or air. Since they should be banned for nothing but against a threat to the security of your nation and limited to enemy targets only and considering the estimated radius of such warfare, civilians wouldn't be at risk ever. Chemicals do a better job than any other warfare to specific area of attack and are more precise so they reduce the risk of unnecessary or collateral destruction. I request a protocol to be made for this restrictions to the use of Chemical weapons, also allowing the production in any scale of non-persistent chemical weapons. Maybe it should be also restricted the selling or buying of such warfare...since it is already banned by the treaty above, then the protocol should only focus on the production.

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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 06:36:13 PM »
Ah okay.
Now that is much clearer. I am not good at legal wording in English.
I will rework the text according to your advice.
However I know that it is not always good in international texts to sound too threatening so I think we safely can rephrase some without sounding too lame.
Anybody has any suggestions on possible actions should a nation not comply?

Also there is the problem with chemicals that could be used for chemical weapons but also have a lot of other uses in industry or medicine.

And I would like to keep the non-lethal chemical agents like tear-gas legal.

On biological weapons we face the problem that we should keep Biohazard materials legal for medical and scientific purposes.

About the Grey nuclear area we will have to define this as "Material for nuclear weapons" and at first i would like to keep this strictly in the area of atomic bombs, ICBM's and other such weapons. I know this is not covering the so called "Dirty bombs" but the problem is that you could make them out of any nuclear material, even radioactive waste from hospitals. this is were organizations become responsible.
But to become responsible they need a guideline to what they are not supposed to do.
It is unfair to punish a nation that has no knowledge of what it did wrong.
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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 06:42:13 PM »
But a nation that achieves nuclear energy and defies the IAEB has quite some knowledge, i don't think they are innocent.

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Re: IPO Forum NBC-Non-Proliferation-treaty
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 06:46:33 PM »
But a nation that achieves nuclear energy and defies the IAEB has quite some knowledge, i don't think they are innocent.

I agree that was a stupid example I picked.
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