Vote in 2008 america.

[Barceleroth]

Barc, you still hasn't answered about the US atrocities currently beeing committed on the Guantanamo base or those that up until a year ago was going on in Abu Graib and other coalition prisons in Iraq and probably has started up again now that the media coverage has laxed.
Or that US laws under "the patriot act" takes the right to unilatterally kidnap and incarcerate other nations's citizens on suspicion only, for unlimited time and without presenting evidence. It also explicitly allows torture of suspected "terrorists" event though it is prooved that torture isn't a reliable way to extract information. In addition to all this, it has been written in a way as to disguise the meaning of the words.

Abu Graib...  You know, you're right, it would probably be much nicer for us to just video tape our guards beheading the detainees!  I mean, that would be MUCH better than putting underwear over their heads, right?

Where do you think you're coming from, calling Guantanamo an 'atrocity'  Do you have any idea who is IN Guantanamo?  Granted, I'm not advocating torture, or even this watered-down version of it.  But, hey, when we're talking about captured and convicted terrorists, I couldn't care less what happens to them.  So, if it shocks all of you, that's sweet.  But then I want you to sit down and watch the Daniel Pearl video.  Then tell me who we should be accusing of war crimes. 

Besides that, most of the Guantanamo 'scandal' was pretty much made up, exaggerated, and hinted at being much more than it was.  Did you hear about one detainee's account of the "torture" he endured?  They stuck him in a cell and blew cold air at him.  Um... it's called air conditioning, Mohamed.  You're in Cuba, after all.     So, he asked them to turn it off.  And they did. 

Don't you really hurt for the poor guy? 

[The Empire]

And what gives you the universal right to decide who is a terrorist and who isn't?

One atrocity can never be excused by another and you have no better information than I about what really happened in there, only the captives knows and don't try to dismiss it as exaggerations, there is NO justification of torture regardless if it leaves physical marks or not.

[Ryazania]

OHNO3S!!!!!!!!!!!1SHIFT HE GUT AIRCUNDITONED!

[Barceleroth]

Well, Empire, obviously you consider this a full-blown atrocity, even though you admitted that no one really knows what actually happened.  Like I said, in this situation, I'm not capable of sympathizing with any such 'victims,' regardless of what happened; not after what they have done to so many of my countrymen, and to so many other free people the world over.  And I can't really fathom how anyone can.  

[The Empire]

So just because they maybe were at the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong facial features makes them a terrorist? I doubt even half of those ILLEGALLY inprisoned there has any connection stronger than that to any fanatical organization.
And considdering what your countrymen has done over the history you certainly have no right to cast the first stone.

Drop the "we are the victims"-act, it's just not belivable coming from a yank.

[Talmann]

Empire, put yourself in our position. Some guys take over a plane and destroy a building, killing thousands. The men on the plane were known to have communicated with other people, who would be trying to continue the terrorism. So the government finds and imprisons them. So you're saying you would rather have more people killed then have a few guys imprisoned? I would side with the people and say, don't imprison them, killings much quicker and costs less.

[The Empire]

Sheesh... Well, congratulations Talmann, you have just become the same type of monsters you claim to want to stop...  

[Talmann]

Difference between killing someone who's gonna be in jail for life anyway and deliberately killing thousands because you hate their country.

[The Empire]

A killing is still a killing and makes whoever does it a moster even if it's by proxy.

[Talmann]

Your opinion..  Now... let's get back on subject and move any further arguements to the other thread, hm?

[The Empire]

Not opinion, fact. My opinion is that you are an uncivilized citizen of an uncivilized barbarian nation which unfortunately happens to be the most dangerous nation on the planet at the same time.
And I second the other part, I'll leave you yanks to discuss which corporate puppet to have control of the button next on your own.

[Durnia]

It's a shame Bush can't run again, but if I lived in the US, I would probably vote for Edwards, he seems honest enough.

[Ryazania]

Edwards spends $400 on haircuts, which I find really odd. I'm not sure I could vote for him because he supports free healthcare (Which is impossible in America. Our Controller General has already said we can't keep up with what we've already promised, let alone what that would do) and is 'not yet ready' to support gay marriage. However, he wants to increase the amount of work visas for immigrants (great) and he only wants gradual troop withdrawal in Iraq all the while training the Iraqi soldiers, which is not a bad platform at all.

However, I shall do a plug for a man I have already donated to. This guy is my absolute number one choice for the Presidency. Shame he doesn't get much publicity.

[New History lovers]

I like John Edwards myself, and he has my support.  However, most Democrats, I would vote for, over most Republicans.  However...

NOT Hillary.  She's antivideogame.  That means she's against something that I'm for.  And since I'm Jewish, that means I get to say she's antisemitic. 

I am, of course, kidding about the last sentence, in case anyone thought I was being serious.  Again, I WAS COMPLETELY KIDDING.

Anyway, I still can't support her because she's antivideogame.  The same reason I could also never vote for Lieberman.

[Solnath]

I am, of course, kidding about the last sentence, in case anyone thought I was being serious.  Again, I WAS COMPLETELY KIDDING.

* Solnath rolls on the floor laughing.