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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #195 on: April 20, 2007, 02:06:22 AM »
I'm sure that keeps you sound asleep at night :)
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #196 on: April 20, 2007, 02:07:00 AM »
Commy Russia (your Stalinism), Commy China, and Commy Cuba... point in case.
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Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #197 on: April 20, 2007, 02:11:35 AM »
Stalinism, Maoism and, hmm, not sure if it has any specific -ism-name. All are totalitarian states, none have but a whiff of Communism. You really should study other ideologies than your own before attacking them blindly.
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Offline Barceleroth

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #198 on: April 20, 2007, 02:14:20 AM »
Carrat: In your dreams, my friend.
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Offline carraterra

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #199 on: April 20, 2007, 02:14:33 AM »
Trotskyism is the only perfect ideology.
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #200 on: April 20, 2007, 02:14:45 AM »
Hey, don't blame me, blame all the books that say it, and the teachers whose job it is to teach it.
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Music is the key to the heart.

"Once art to me was something far off, unfathomable and unreachable... But I discovered that the real essence of art was not something high up and far off, it was right inside my ordinary daily self. If a musician wants to be a fine artist, he must first become a finer person. A work of art is the expression of a person's whole personality, sensibility, and ability." -Shinichi Suzuki

Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #201 on: April 20, 2007, 02:17:14 AM »
Quote from: Barceleroth on April 20, 2007, 02:14:20 AM
In your dreams, my friend.

In our dreams you'll know what you talk about? Hopefully it could be reality as well.

CT, Trotskyism was not so great as you promote it to be. Trotsky followed Lenin and Lenin was not a Communist in heart, either.

Talmann, I blame you for not filtering the Cold War propaganda they teach even us here. :D
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #202 on: April 20, 2007, 02:18:38 AM »
Such as...?
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Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #203 on: April 20, 2007, 02:24:01 AM »
Such as the fact that the Stalinist claim that the Comintern and Cominfrom promoted Communism or that the USSR was ever truly socialist, for that matter. The whole anti-Communism aspect that exists today is because of one powerful leader naming his totalitarianism as Communist and/or Socialist. The same applies to national socialism, which by itself is not such a bad form of government as they come, excepting that it has a seriously negative connonation to it thanks to Hitler.
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #204 on: April 20, 2007, 02:33:43 AM »
One could say that's your perspective since you ARE socialist. I could say the same about fascism since I'm on the right end of the spectrum, however I'm not. To some people, it's all clumped together because there's not much difference.
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #205 on: April 20, 2007, 02:36:28 AM »
You communists always say "They're not communist" as if to shift the blame from you. At least us capitalists admit we're not perfect. Stalinism is communism. It's a communist school of thought. It's not Marxism, but it is communism, so you still can't shift the blame from you.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #206 on: April 20, 2007, 02:44:52 AM »
Moving this to avoid further sidetracking.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2007, 03:19:46 AM by Solnath »
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #207 on: April 20, 2007, 07:08:39 AM »
Barc, you still hasn't answered about the US atrocities currently beeing committed on the Guantanamo base or those that up until a year ago was going on in Abu Graib and other coalition prisons in Iraq and probably has started up again now that the media coverage has laxed.
Or that US laws under "the patriot act" takes the right to unilatterally kidnap and incarcerate other nations's citizens on suspicion only, for unlimited time and without presenting evidence. It also explicitly allows torture of suspected "terrorists" event though it is prooved that torture isn't a reliable way to extract information. In addition to all this, it has been written in a way as to disguise the meaning of the words.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #208 on: April 20, 2007, 03:04:22 PM »
lets move that to the other thread, hm?
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #209 on: April 20, 2007, 09:21:52 PM »
Yes, that would probably be best, MOD!?
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