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Offline Algerianbania

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2007, 04:39:29 AM »
I've never really thought about it in a non-main political party way.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2007, 04:54:25 AM »
G-C is correct. Unlike in other countries political parties in the US are rather weak and allow great variation within their ranks.

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2007, 05:09:27 AM »
Well that's because there are only really two of them. If there were more, each would be more strict about their representatives policies.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2007, 12:24:33 PM »
As much as saying it makes me feel like a dirty, political whore: I will vote Democrat in 2008 because I would rather get the Republicans out than vote for a third party I actually like and risk having another psycho right-wing Nazi in the White House.  Unless Hillary gets the nomination, of course.  I despise that woman to the depths of my soul and so many other Dems feel the same way I find myself less than worried about her being on the ballot.

Obama has a pretty consistent voting record for an American politician; an obvious liberal, but not so much he alienates too many middle-of-the-road voters.  From things he's said and the way he's voted he seems like a decent human being that actually gives a shit about people.  I wouldn't mind voting for him.

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2007, 12:27:38 PM »
" I despise that woman to the depths of my soul"

Right on. What third party do you support?
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2007, 12:30:53 PM »
To be completely honest, I don't know yet.  I haven't done enough research on the candidates gunning for the 2008 election to make a decision.  I don't like to choose based on party lines so I investigate each individual candidate.  It's likely I'll finish up soon, so I'll report back.

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2007, 01:03:28 AM »
Just because someone is a Republican doesn't make them a Fascist neo-conservative. McCain, R. Paul, and Giuliani are Republican candidates and none of them are very extremely conservative (in fact Paul is a libertarian in GOP disguise)
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2007, 01:17:17 AM »
Democrat all the way. Bush has been a complete disaster from Day One, and his party have been corrupted by his, quite frankly, fascist and neo-conservative views.

However, if Clinton gets nominated and Chuck Hagel decides to run, I'd vote for him.

EDIT: @ Ryazania - Correct, but any one of those candidates would face considerable opposition within the party to their agendas. And McCain's just too old.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2007, 01:44:31 AM »
McCain has an Iraq problem :/
                                 
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2007, 01:53:51 AM »
I don't see it as a problem. I hate sounding like a Republican, but I sure as hell wouldn't let Iraq fuck itself up even worse because we left. The war's origins may be misleading, but you can't just leave.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2007, 04:56:24 PM »
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Just because someone is a Republican doesn't make them a Fascist neo-conservative. McCain, R. Paul, and Giuliani are Republican candidates and none of them are very extremely conservative (in fact Paul is a libertarian in GOP disguise)
Um, Ryaz, who said it did?  The closest I can find to that sort of comment in this thread would be my assertion that the population of the GOP ranges from neo-liberal to fascist.  That does not mean that every Republican is automatically a fascist; one would have to be totally ignorant or willfully demagogic to make that sort of claim, especially as it is not true.  I sense an auto-defense mechanism [/joke]

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I don't see it as a problem. I hate sounding like a Republican, but I sure as hell wouldn't let Iraq fuck itself up even worse because we left. The war's origins may be misleading, but you can't just leave.
This position assumes that American troops are a source of stability in Iraq.  In fact, the American military is deliberately being used as a source of instability igniting long-dormant conflicts and killing at will.  Most of the fighters in Iraq are nationalist; they will cease fighting as soon as the Americans leave.  They have said so themselves.  The leadership of the groups may be zealots, true, but that doesn't necessarily reflect the position of the rank and file, which is far more anti-occupation than anti-Sunni or Shia or Kurd.

In fact, while we're withdrawing from Iraq, why not withdraw from our 100+ other bases worldwide?  Rape, murder, arson, and all sorts of crimes increase dramatically the moment one gets near an American military base in a foreign country.  American military power in no way helps the countries where it resides, and any and every American soldier stationed on foreign soil, where he doesn't belong, should be brought home.


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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2007, 09:53:36 PM »
Agrees with G-C, the only reason the US is getting so much heat around the world is because of those stationed troops so without the troops there, there wouldn't be so much heat and there wouldn't be any need for troops... The US needs to stop enforcing their companies's interests with military force... I would go so far as to say that the US is one of the least civilized nations in the developed northern hemisphere, not being far ahead of Russia or other former USSR nations.

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2007, 11:48:38 AM »
Agrees with G-C, the only reason the US is getting so much heat around the world is because of those stationed troops so without the troops there, there wouldn't be so much heat and there wouldn't be any need for troops... The US needs to stop enforcing their companies's interests with military force... I would go so far as to say that the US is one of the least civilized nations in the developed northern hemisphere, not being far ahead of Russia or other former USSR nations.

I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you.  Our international politics border on the absolutely barbaric.

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2007, 03:40:12 PM »
^yes, on the barbaric side of that line as far as the current admin. goes.

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2007, 03:48:49 PM »
Agrees with G-C, the only reason the US is getting so much heat around the world is because of those stationed troops so without the troops there, there wouldn't be so much heat and there wouldn't be any need for troops... The US needs to stop enforcing their companies's interests with military force... I would go so far as to say that the US is one of the least civilized nations in the developed northern hemisphere, not being far ahead of Russia or other former USSR nations.

The problem is that US corporate interests cannot be enforced abroad without US military presence, just as US corporate interests cannot be enforced at home without police presence.  It is not in the working class' interest, either in the US or abroad, to harbor US corporations (or any other corporations for that matter).  Therefore, the working class needs to be supressed with force.  The only way to get the US military out of other countries is to do away with corporate interests, and the only way to do away with corporate interests is to do away with capitalism.

Inductive reasoning ftw!


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