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Offline Myroria

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #180 on: April 19, 2007, 01:55:49 PM »
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U.S. only cares about other countries' human rights violations if we're not allied with them.

For the first time, I agree wholeheartedly with a socialist.
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #181 on: April 19, 2007, 02:28:53 PM »
@ Solnath- Just in case you didn't get it (and I'm sure you did, but just clarifying), the apples and oranges thing is a metaphor for "we're talking about two different things".
Music is the key to the heart.

"Once art to me was something far off, unfathomable and unreachable... But I discovered that the real essence of art was not something high up and far off, it was right inside my ordinary daily self. If a musician wants to be a fine artist, he must first become a finer person. A work of art is the expression of a person's whole personality, sensibility, and ability." -Shinichi Suzuki

Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #182 on: April 19, 2007, 02:45:35 PM »
Aye, but versatility exists in speech.
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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #183 on: April 19, 2007, 09:35:18 PM »
" A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money "

" It is sobering to reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence "

" To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical "

" Here's your enemy for this week, the government says. And some gullible Americans click their heels and salute – often without knowing who or even where the enemy of the week is "

" If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free "

" Americans have the right and advantage of being armed – unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. "

" The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery "

" If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist "

" A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away. "

" There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money – if a gun is held to his head "

" The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. "

Just a few of my favorite political quotes.

Economic Left/Right: 9.65
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.37

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When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control.


Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #184 on: April 19, 2007, 09:41:04 PM »
"The man who often quotes others has nothing of his own to say."
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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #185 on: April 19, 2007, 09:42:08 PM »
It's really not all that often, just a few here and there.
Economic Left/Right: 9.65
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.37

Proud Constitutionalist

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control.


Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #186 on: April 19, 2007, 09:56:10 PM »
* Solnath points at Ryaz's sig.
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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #187 on: April 19, 2007, 10:01:02 PM »
Erm, 2?
Economic Left/Right: 9.65
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.37

Proud Constitutionalist

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control.


Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #188 on: April 19, 2007, 10:07:52 PM »
Two in every post, but now we're sidetracking again.
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Offline Barceleroth

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #189 on: April 20, 2007, 12:13:10 AM »
Love the quotes, Ryaz.   :clap:


Sorry, Allama, didn't mean to ever put words in your mouth, but all I remember is that you, along with the other radical left-wingers, were commenting on U.S. atrocities.  I asked someone to please explain to me when these atrocities occurred; then you all moved on to accusing Israel of committing atrocities.  Someone did mention the use of the A-bombs and Clinton's inaction during the Rwanda conflict, but I already addressed that.  So, sorry if I lost you in the crowd. 
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #190 on: April 20, 2007, 12:39:23 AM »
Since we're sharing quotes:

"There once was a man from Nantucket,
Who wanted to sell me a bucket,
But he could not, because.
There were too many laws,
So he threw up his hands and said, 'Vote Libertarian!'"

"The difference between libertarianism and socialism is that libertarians will tolerate the existence of a socialist community, but socialists can't tolerate a libertarian community."

"COMMUNISM: Liberation of the people from the burdens of liberty."

"I assure you -- I will be quite content to be a mere mortal again, dedicated to my own amusements."

Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #191 on: April 20, 2007, 12:52:17 AM »
Why can't people make the small effort of distinguishing between Communism and Stalinism?
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #192 on: April 20, 2007, 01:45:08 AM »
Because the only three Communist nations were/are led by dictators or an authoritarian party.
Music is the key to the heart.

"Once art to me was something far off, unfathomable and unreachable... But I discovered that the real essence of art was not something high up and far off, it was right inside my ordinary daily self. If a musician wants to be a fine artist, he must first become a finer person. A work of art is the expression of a person's whole personality, sensibility, and ability." -Shinichi Suzuki

Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #193 on: April 20, 2007, 01:51:03 AM »
They were never Communist.
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Offline carraterra

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #194 on: April 20, 2007, 02:04:42 AM »
And the only reason that they were dictatorships was because they all indirectly or directly stemmed from Stalinist interference. If Trotsky had won the power struggle then the whole world would be a communist utopia.