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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2007, 06:31:22 PM »
Don't worry Marsos, I would be a Republican if the GOP ran people like Reagan or Goldwater.
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Offline Myroria

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2007, 06:35:32 PM »
Same here. Don't worry about those liberal sissies.
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Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2007, 06:50:38 PM »
I guess it is pretty extreme to be "conservative" nowadays. You know, the US would have no political problems worth mentioning if you just accepted the fact that you're a corporatist oligarchy.
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Offline Talmann

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2007, 07:35:07 PM »
True... and American "conservatism" isn't really that conservative. If we were truly conservative, there would be goddang liberals. We'd shoot 'em off the Capitol steps. Teach those hippies to protest on MY steps...
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Offline Barceleroth

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #124 on: April 15, 2007, 09:43:07 PM »
Jeez, I'd give anything I own for Reagan to come back and take charge of the country.  But I guess that's not going to happen...  By the way, I think Marsos said earlier that Guiliani was a little centrist...  He's nothing but a liberal posing as a member of the GOP.  He supports gun control, abortion... and he comes from New York.  Need I say more? 

Hey, Ryaz, you and I should start up some Barry Goldwater nostalgia club.  (who knows, maybe he even has a grandson or something who can run in '08)   ;D
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Offline The Empire

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #125 on: April 15, 2007, 09:44:23 PM »
I concurr with my Finnish friend, and it sounds like this Giuliani fellow is more sensible than most US politicians we hear of on my side of the Atlantic...
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #126 on: April 15, 2007, 09:48:50 PM »
I'd put Mister Nukular Bom in the White House to do office.

And by "do office" I mean "explode."
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Offline Ryazania

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #127 on: April 15, 2007, 09:49:37 PM »
Barc, there is a GOP Representative that is a lot like Goldwater. Check him out here
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Offline Zimmerwald

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #128 on: April 15, 2007, 09:53:30 PM »
Giuliani?  Centrist?  Liberal?  :rofl:

We need that smilie back.

His positions on gun control and abortion were calculated poses intended to win votes from social-liberal New Yorkers, and do not represent the man's ideology or his policies.  Under his administration the NYPD's practices got several times more racist than they were, the prison population skyrocketed, Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik used an apartment that was supposed to be for 9/11 rescue workers to conduct an affair, eminent domain was invoked to kick black people out of their homes, and I'm sure there was even more crap that I don't remember.  Even his position on gun control wasn't so much a liberal position as an "I'll keep guns out of the hands of blacks" position.

Conservatives, Giuliani is YOUR GUY.  He'll do a Romney-esque flip-flop on his abortion and gun control positions within a few months.  Mark my words.



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Offline The Empire

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #129 on: April 15, 2007, 09:58:50 PM »
^ That sounds more like a US politician... Or rather corporate henchman wich would be a more accurate description...

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Offline Marsos

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #130 on: April 15, 2007, 10:05:09 PM »
I guess it is pretty extreme to be "conservative" nowadays. You know, the US would have no political problems worth mentioning if you just accepted the fact that you're a corporatist oligarchy.
Everyone knows that anyway. You know that bill that was supposed to get us out of Iraq? Well, getting us out of Iraq apparently requires various pork and milk subsidies as well. However, I don't really think there is as much corruption as everybody says, or that it just happens on the right wing of the legislature. And I'd take a corporatist oligarchy over a socialist kleptocracy any day. At least corporations care about what I want.  ;D
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Offline The Empire

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #131 on: April 15, 2007, 10:07:36 PM »
Yeah... right...

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Offline Solnath

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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #132 on: April 15, 2007, 10:28:12 PM »
I like this guy. If he was a bit more subtle it'd be better, though.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #133 on: April 15, 2007, 10:52:21 PM »
I like this guy. If he was a bit more subtle it'd be better, though.
People have always said that I have the subtlety of a nuclear warhead. It's true. I come from a region that is more deeply rooted in politics than role play, and candor is a valued virtue there.
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Re: Vote in 2008 america.
« Reply #134 on: April 15, 2007, 11:04:37 PM »
Giuliani?  Centrist?  Liberal?  :rofl:

We need that smilie back.

His positions on gun control and abortion were calculated poses intended to win votes from social-liberal New Yorkers, and do not represent the man's ideology or his policies.  Under his administration the NYPD's practices got several times more racist than they were, the prison population skyrocketed, Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik used an apartment that was supposed to be for 9/11 rescue workers to conduct an affair, eminent domain was invoked to kick black people out of their homes, and I'm sure there was even more crap that I don't remember.  Even his position on gun control wasn't so much a liberal position as an "I'll keep guns out of the hands of blacks" position.

Conservatives, Giuliani is YOUR GUY.  He'll do a Romney-esque flip-flop on his abortion and gun control positions within a few months.  Mark my words.




Oh my.  You're the misled one, aren't you?  

You think that anyone who's racist is a conservative?   ::)   Please, get your facts straight.  To be conservative is to want smaller government, and more power in the hands of the people.  That's the way our nation was founded anyway; why try to turn it into something it wasn't meant to be: a central powerhouse government?  Liberals believe in a government that can do everything and be everything to and for the people.  In other words, a beaurocratic elite.  If you hate the fact that the government had the right to evict black people from their houses, even if by eminent domain (which btw is a pet peeve of conservatives) then I would think you support downsizing government, and not allowing Guliani to have so much power as to be able to kick people out of their houses.  Assuming that everything you said is true, which I'm sorry to say I highly doubt.

For one, you repeatedly called Guliani racist...  Can you please produce a quote, or something of that nature, where Guliani spouts racist remarks?  At the very least, back up your statements with some kind of evidence when you're making accusations this powerful.  And what makes you think that Guliani hates black people so bad?  If ANYBODY is evicted from their homes because of eminent domain, I call it wrong.  Why are you focusing on the race aspect?  That is, unless Guliani said that he was choosing to evict them only because they were black?  But again, I highly doubt that any politician today is going to come out and say that.

Guliani was the driving force behind the crack-down on crime in New York City.  If he had to crack down on certain ethnic groups in order to lower crime rates, then I say all the power to him.  Isn't the law supposed to be blind to color?  Then why would he turn a blind eye on crimes that are being committed, even if he might open himself to "racism" accusations such as yours by allowing justice to progress?  I wish that Guliani would run for mayor of Los Angeles instead of president; the powers that be in that city are so corrupt and inept when it comes to cutting crime rates it's pathetic.  The liberal politicos running the city are too worried about pandering to the Latino vote, to the extent that they're afraid to go after the hundreds of large-scale violent Mexican drug gangs destroying the city.  If Guliani had been too afraid to go after crime because it might affect his vote from the black population, that's when corruption prevails.  

Sorry if we disagree on this, and I'm sorry for the long post.  
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