Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

News: If a neighbor is in need of revolutionary rehabilitation, report it to the Citizen-Liaision!

Poll

Do you believe the world would be a better place without violence?

Yes
No
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 6

Author Topic: Violence  (Read 7280 times)

Offline Solnath

  • Solus Victor
  • *
  • Posts: 5920
  • Pamfu desu!
Violence
« on: April 03, 2007, 07:34:00 PM »
Some of you might consider this to be a trick question, but considering it seriously, would the world be a better place without violence in any of its known forms?
Logged
Neutral Evil

Offline Ryazania

  • *
  • Posts: 1318
  • Resident Hardass
Re: Violence
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2007, 07:37:37 PM »
To quote his Majesty Napoléon I, Emperor of the French

" The currency of politics is power, and the greatest power lies in the ability to cause physical destruction. "

Logged
Economic Left/Right: 9.65
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.37

Proud Constitutionalist

When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.

Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control.

Offline Gulliver

  • Data Dog
  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 5284
  • Forsooth, do you grok my jive, me hearties?
Re: Violence
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2007, 09:24:21 PM »
Yes, but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon and unfortunately there will always be certain extreme situations which call for some form of it.
Logged

Offline Talmann

  • *
  • Posts: 2491
Re: Violence
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2007, 09:50:01 PM »
Yes, however... well, see Prag. ^

Edit: I actually MEANT to click NO, but somehow in the process my mind got confused and clicked YES. Oh well... Violence should be used in the most dire of situations on the large scale (between nations). However, on a small scale (between people) it is inevitable. It is human nature to not agree with everyone. Primal instinct has us play-fight, just look at puppies or kittens or whatnot. They play to learn, and if one gets hurt, oh well, they learn to not do that. So YES, life without violence would be nice... but it won't ever happen.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2007, 10:27:10 PM by Talmann »
Logged
Music is the key to the heart.

"Once art to me was something far off, unfathomable and unreachable... But I discovered that the real essence of art was not something high up and far off, it was right inside my ordinary daily self. If a musician wants to be a fine artist, he must first become a finer person. A work of art is the expression of a person's whole personality, sensibility, and ability." -Shinichi Suzuki

Offline Bustos

  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 6041
  • Spam Deity
Re: Violence
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 10:07:32 PM »
"Who has a problem with me?"

"I do."  BANG BANG!  Two to the back of the head.

"I'll ask again.  Who has a problem with me?"

No one says anything.

"Good, problem solved."
Logged
Allied States of Bustos (WIP)


Brought to you by Bustos

Offline Myroria

  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 4345
Re: Violence
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 10:12:32 PM »
Violence is the force that keeps us human. If there were no violence we'd all be sitting in a circle watching Oprah and singing Kumbayah. And war is the highest, but most hellish, form of glory.
Logged
"I assure you -- I will be quite content to be a mere mortal again, dedicated to my own amusements."

Offline Castavithius

  • *
  • Posts: 21
  • Ahh! Freaky little girls!
Re: Violence
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 11:50:13 PM »
Quote
war is the highest, but most hellish, form of glory.
Um... are you serious Myrorian?

We must define violence to continue this discussion. I will use the Merriam-Webster Online dictionary as the basis for mine.

violence n.
1) a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse
    b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
    c : responsibility for violence as defined in (a), deliberately, or through inaction

Violence is only useful to counter more violence. A world without violence would have no need for it.
An example of a case in which violence should be used is this one: http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6161317

We are human, and should behave as such; our ability to overcome our most primal instincts is what distinguishes us from animals. We lose our humanity through violence, unless it is justified in the way I suggested in the previous paragraph.
Logged
[size=48]Id love to stay and chat, but youre a total bitch. - Stewie, Family Guy[/size]
[url]

Myroria-Hanso Corporation

  • Guest
Re: Violence
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2007, 12:06:08 AM »
Who tends to be more respected in just about any country: A soldier or a hippie who throws rocks at soldiers?

Secondly, let's assume that Earth had no violence. Because it would have no violence, what if you get attacked in the woods by a bear? What would you do?
Logged

Offline Zimmerwald

  • *
  • Posts: 2414
  • Demon Barber of Taijitu
Re: Violence
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2007, 12:47:27 AM »
No war but class war!
Logged


ProP Spokesperson

Offline Castavithius

  • *
  • Posts: 21
  • Ahh! Freaky little girls!
Re: Violence
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2007, 01:39:12 AM »
@MHC...

My point was violence can be used to counter other violence. In your bear example it would of course be necessary to defend yourself.

And soldiers are respected because
1. They're willing to kill and die for their country
2. Most people desire their country to kill for a sense of superiority over other countries

Respect is invalid in this argument because we are dealing in hypotheticals.
Logged
[size=48]Id love to stay and chat, but youre a total bitch. - Stewie, Family Guy[/size]
[url]

Offline St Oz

  • Sub-Commandante
  • Citizen-Delegate
  • *
  • Posts: 2158
  • www.something.com
Re: Violence
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2007, 01:43:35 AM »
"Who has a problem with me?"

"I do."  BANG BANG!  Two to the back of the head.

"I'll ask again.  Who has a problem with me?"

No one says anything.

"Good, problem solved."
[/quote]

BANG BANG! Two to the back of the head.

oz says "I do..."
Logged

Offline Eluvatar

  • Tech Monkey
  • Citizen
  • *
  • Posts: 3111
  • O_O
    • Taijitu.org
Re: Violence
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2007, 03:04:55 AM »
Quote from: St Oz on April 04, 2007, 01:43:35 AM
"Who has a problem with me?"

"I do."  BANG BANG!  Two to the back of the head.

"I'll ask again.  Who has a problem with me?"

No one says anything.

"Good, problem solved."

BANG BANG! Two to the back of the head.

oz says "I do..."

Oz wins.
Logged
                                 
(click to show/hide)

Offline constant confusion

  • *
  • Posts: 6
Re: Violence
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2007, 08:28:31 AM »
what would happen if there wasn't any violence?

there would be too many people, nothing interesting would happen and we wouldn't have any events at all. that's why violence is needed but killing people is a bit out of order. Nothing wrong with the Die Hard films though!! New Die Hard out in July
Logged
is a lie just the truth uncovered and relinquished.

Offline Solnath

  • Solus Victor
  • *
  • Posts: 5920
  • Pamfu desu!
Re: Violence
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2007, 08:39:43 AM »
Remember, authority is violence.
Logged
Neutral Evil

Offline Tarrotown

  • *
  • Posts: 715
  • Cthulhu WILL help with your mortgage
Re: Violence
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2007, 03:25:04 PM »
Quote
Secondly, let's assume that Earth had no violence. Because it would have no violence, what if you get attacked in the woods by a bear? What would you do?

Present a well thought out argument as to why I shouldn't be eaten.
Logged
"What do we want!"
"A better education system!"
"When do we want it?"
"A better education system!"
"Yay!"
Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 6
« previous next »